Surgical Strike 2002 ?In 2002, India's Fighter Jets Hit Pakistan In A Surgical Strike

[Mrc]

 

[nair]

And just why not? You guys never shy away from sharing proofs of 71 which happened much before many of you were born and yet somehow cant show proofs of something this recent unless of course you have nothing to show but rant and feel good articles.

You know how nationlists we are and how good we are at dismissing each other claims....... There will not be any proofs from Indian side (atleast for some time) and there are reasons behind that.... Even if the proofs are released there would be hardly anything which one could make out..... So no point.... What i see from this episode

1) Indians are happy that there is a surgical strike on Pakistan
2) Pakistani's are happy that delusioned Indians are celebrating a fake strike....

But Both the local commanders know exactly what happened and how good or how bad that was....... As military enthusiasts we can support our respective military claims and troll each other to death.....

There is only 1 Truth........

 

[Gregor Clegane]

There is no Italian UAV called aeronautica.. Alenia Aeronautica us an Italian firm producing 3 drones none of which operated by Pak

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alenia_Aermacchi_Sky-Y



Shyt for brain .. Pak produces several type of uavs..

SHAHPAR is similiar to Burraq but having 14+ hours endurance and longer range.. A MALE UAV.

Payload etc of Burraq has been shown several times even at IDEAS 2016.

As for appearance of Burraq & ch-3

Here is a ch-3 copy (fsiled) by India with useless range and endurance and no combat capability

Rustom I copy of ch-3

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Aeronautica made drones were acquired by Pakistan in 2000.

Both Shahpar and Burraq are from China and this has been confirmed by IISS & Jane's.

o we always said that Rustom-1 is based on NAL LCRA which was developed in cooperation with Burt Rutan long ez

 

[Zarvan]

What our great mighty Indian neighbors doesn't is know that since 1947 India conducts three surgical strikes on daily bases. One is done by their mighty Army and one is done by their Air Force and one is done by their Navy. They inflict heavy loses on us. We have lost few hundred Frigates and few thousand Fighter Jets and hundreds and thousands of soldiers in these surgical strikes. Man we are too afraid Man

 

[Jugger]

And just why not? You guys never shy away from sharing proofs of 71 which happened much before many of you were born and yet somehow cant show proofs of something this recent unless of course you have nothing to show but rant and feel good articles.

In this age of technology such things are infact very easy to capture and cannot be hidden away even if one or both parties want. So to say that India will never give enough proofs is pure Bull Shit because if you had any your kind would had been shouting at the top of every corner of the world.

I am not such a guy.
As for the proofs, no matter what proofs are provided the Pakistani fanboys will never believe anything.
If video is provided they well say it is doctored and made in Bollywood.
If photo evidence is provided then they will say it is Photoshoped.
If some other proof is provided then they well find some other excuse to prove it false.
So the bottom line is nothing can convince the fanboys.
The soldiers from boths sides know what happened and what has not happened and that's enough.
Btw the above is true for Indian fanboys too.

 

[IceCold]

You know how nationlists we are and how good we are at dismissing each other claims....... There will not be any proofs from Indian side (atleast for some time) and there are reasons behind that.... Even if the proofs are released there would be hardly anything which one could make out..... So no point.... What i see from this episode

1) Indians are happy that there is a surgical strike on Pakistan
2) Pakistani's are happy that delusioned Indians are celebrating a fake strike....

But Both the local commanders know exactly what happened and how good or how bad that was....... As military enthusiasts we can support our respective military claims and troll each other to death.....

There is only 1 Truth........

Sir the whole point is if there is something you cannot deny it. For example no matter how nationalist Pakistanis are, we cannot deny what happened in 71, can we? We cannot deny the fact that Pakistan surrender no matter how bad that word feels or hurt our feelings. Its the truth. Now coming to surgical strikes why would there be no proofs from the Indian side when it was the Indian side that hyped it so much whether it was Indian government itself or the media. Now if i take your word at its face value about not providing proofs than why did India made a press conference and announced that we carried out such strike in the first place? Your new army chief again repeated the same that we will do that again if need arises. So this does not reflect the attitude of someone who does not want to show what it did or wants to hide something, in fact this shows the exact opposite. India wants to show its might to its people, to Pakistan and to the world. Now question is what is there to show? Saying that Indian side would not show proofs when all they have been trying is to show those proofs, this argument does not hold any weight.

I am not such a guy.
As for the proofs, no matter what proofs are provided the Pakistani fanboys will never believe anything.
If video is provided they well say it is doctored and made in Bollywood.
If photo evidence is provided then they will say it is Photoshoped.
If some other proof is provided then they well find some other excuse to prove it false.
So the bottom line is nothing can convince the fanboys.
The soldiers from boths sides know what happened and what has not happened and that's enough.
Btw the above is true for Indian fanboys too.

Question is you havent shown anything for us to call it fake. Rest you can read my reply to nair. I have explained my pov.

 

[nair]

Sir the whole point is if there is something you cannot deny it. For example no matter how nationalist Pakistanis are, we cannot deny what happened in 71, can we?

No way one can compare both, in terms of acceptance......

Now coming to surgical strikes why would there be no proofs from the Indian side when it was the Indian side that hyped it so much whether it was Indian government itself or the media

The question is whom should we provide Proof???? Pakistani citizens??? That is not the prerogative of GOI ( I agree there were few politicians who tried to take political mileage, from both side of the spectrum in India)

Now if i take your word at its face value about not providing proofs than why did India made a press conference and announced that we carried out such strike in the first place?

The message was intended to 2 receiptants, (one domestic and one adversary) both seems to have received it loud and clear....

Your new army chief again repeated the same that we will do that again if need arises

This is not the first time this has happened and this is not going to be the last time either...... We (read both nations) have been doing this for a very long time, and this is the first time it has given huge publicity.......

So this does not reflect the attitude of someone who does not want to show what it did or wants to hide something, in fact this shows the exact opposite.

True, and it depends which side of the coin you belong to.....

India wants to show its might to its people, to Pakistan and to the world

That is true, GoI wanted to convey a message that is the reason why it got the publicity and attention.....

Now question is what is there to show? Saying that Indian side would not show proofs when all they have been trying is to show those proofs, this argument does not hold any weight.

Again we will have to go back to the question......Who is asking for a proof???? It is pakistani citizens..... We dont need to..... By the way GoI was not looking for a war, thats all i can say.....

Another important point, GOI is ok with Pakistan calling the strike as a fake one.....

 

[Jugger]

Question is you havent shown anything for us to call it fake. Rest you can read my reply to nair. I have explained my pov.

Why would India give out proofs? Just to satisfy fanboys and people in forums?
The message that had to be given out has been given and received.

The truth is that, the situation became very hot immediately after the so called surgical strikes. Now this you can't deny. Even PDF became battle ground for a verbal war.

What ever I wanted to say I have said, thanks and good luck.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

A surgical strike inside indian own territory. Pakistan did surgical strike killed 30+indian soldiers. Many posts were captured and almost all indian soldiers were killed. Pakistan army used fog to capture these posts.
Indian army was not able to get their posts back. IAF was called for face saving. less than half posts were taken back and they named it surgical strike after great western copy paste commands.
When will Indians feel they are equal humans irrespective of they are called untouchables by many.

Why would India give out proofs? Just to satisfy fanboys and people in forums?
The message that had to be given out has been given and received.

The truth is that, the situation became very hot immediately after the so called surgical strikes. Now this you can't deny. Even PDF became battle ground for a verbal war.

What ever I wanted to say I have said, thanks and good luck.

no just to satisfy kejriwal and Rahul Gandhi along with millions of more Indians.

 

[singlefighter]

EXCLUSIVE: In 2002, India's Fighter Jets Hit Pakistan In A Surgical Strike You've Never Been Told About
The untold story of an incredible Indian Air Force secret mission during Operation Parakram.
27/01/2017 10:29 AM IST | Updated 6 minutes ago

• Sudhi Ranjan SenDeputy Editor (News)

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An undated Defence Ministry photograph shows an Indian Air Force French-made Mirage 2000 jet.
It was about 2 am on 31 July, 2002. Flight Lieutenant Rajiv Mishra, a 29-year-old fighter pilot, was woken up at his living quarters at the Ambala Air Force Station. Leave for Srinagar immediately with laser designation equipment, he was told. A transport aircraft was ready and waiting at the base.

He didn't know it then, but he had been drafted for one of the most sensitive missions carried out by the Indian Air Force, the details of which had never been revealed to the outside world, until now.

Mishra flew the Jaguar fighter jet of the Indian Air Force. But that night he had not been woken up to fly. The IAF had recently acquired laser guidance systems from Israel. The technology helped fighter pilots to hit targets accurately once the target has been designated on the system. Mishra was regarded a wizard with the new technology.

Mishra flew the Jaguar fighter jet of the Indian Air Force. But that night he had not been woken up to fly.
On board the transporter, Mishra and his two colleagues were briefed by the members of the IAF Strike Cell, the elite frontline strike unit of the force, comprising the most skilled fighter pilots and the most lethal aircraft. The mission was stunning — they had to "light up" Pakistan positions along the Line of Control — the de facto border. 'Light up' is military talk for designating a target on the laser guidance system. They grasped the implication immediately: Indian fighter jets would lock on and hit the Pakistani positions, something the IAF has rarely done during peace time.

It was a sensitive moment in the fraught India-Pakistan ties. Militants had stormed the Indian Parliament just seven months ago, in December 2001, triggering a massive military mobilization and standoff on both sides of the border and along the Line of Control. India called it Operation Parakram.

'Light up' is military talk for designating a target on the laser guidance system. They grasped the implication immediately: Indian fighter jets would lock on and hit the Pakistani post, something the IAF has rarely done during peace time.
BJP's Atal Bihari Vajpayee was Prime Minister and George Fernandes the defence minister. Between May and June 2002, tensions between India and Pakistan were at its heights, following the Kaluchak massacre in May and a failed mediation effort by Russian president Vladimir Putin.

India's defence apparatus suspected a Kargil-like troop build up situation near a border post in the Kel area in the Kupwara sector. Pakistani troops were raining shells on Indian positions from there. There was a need for strong retaliation.

The initial plan was to send in the India Army to attack the Pakistani positions. But the plan was changed after quick consultation with the then Army Chief, General Sundararajan Padmanabhan. Instead of a ground assault, it was decided to soften Pakistani positions using the IAF before the Special Forces went in.

KAMAL KISHORE / REUTERS
Then Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee weighted under garlands put on by his supporters at his residence.
"Typical cold start doctrine in the Air Force terminology was put in practice. The details of this should remain cold. No one should talk about it. What it was intended for was successful," then Chief of Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal Srinivasapuram Krishnaswamy, told HuffPost India.

This account has been pieced together by speaking with multiple people directly involved with the operation. All of them agreed to speak, following months of persuasion, on the condition of anonymity. The IAF declined to comment, as did Flt Lt Mishra, who is now a retired officer and works as a commercial pilot. Typical for a special operation, this mission carried no name.

"Light It Up"

In the tense summer of 2002, the task of carrying out the strikes fell on the Western Air Command. Fighter aircraft including the French-made Mirage 2000, British-made Jaguar fighters and the Russian MiG-21 were moved to forward bases. While the mission was planned to take off from Srinagar, all forward air bases on the West Border were put on alert to be ready for a potential Pakistan retaliation.

That is when Flt Lt Mishra and two colleagues were tasked with "lighting up" the target. Today this can be done using different and more advanced technology. In 2002, it required someone operating from the line of sight of a target to designate it on the laser guidance system. That was going to be the job of the three-men team led by Flt Lt Mishra.

The Half Hour Wait

On the night of 31, senior officials met for the last time at Srinagar go over the details. New Delhi was informed after all ends were tied up. The team was told to wait. Nearly half hour later, the message came back--it was green.

On first light, the team was air lifted from the Srinagar airport on 1 August. Doors of the single-engine Cheetah helicopter had been removed. They would soon find out why.

As the helicopter neared the LoC, they could hear the blasts from the incessant shelling underway. They flew low, close to the ground. When they neared a BSF post just on the LoC, the three men jumped. Their equipment was dropped from the helicopter, and was grabbed by two BSF soldiers. They immediately had to duck into a foxhole. Shells landed on the post even as the Cheetah swiftly moved away.

The IAF fighters had to climb three mountains before they could get close enough to the targets to designate them. They were operating at an altitude of 16,000 feet, with rarefied air, making breathing difficult.

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An Indian soldier climbs down the Cheetah helicopter ladder during an air show in Jammu on November 6, 2011.
Missing Camouflage

The Pakistani positions were on an incline and covered with heavy foliage; it was impossible to light up the targets from a distance. They had to go closer. This eventuality had not been accounted for. This meant the IAF men didn't have any camouflage on them. If they walked from the BSF post further, they would be artillery fodder in minutes, because the helicopter movement would have alerted the Pakistani posts.

Time was ticking away — the operations could commence only after the targets had been well identified. They managed to source two camouflage jackets from the BSF post but the three men decided to march on anyway. On the way, they found trees splattered with blood. The night before, the Indian Army had foiled an infiltration bid. The bloodstains on the trees were that of the infiltrating terrorists.

The IAF team had to climb three mountains before they could get close enough to the targets to designate them. They were operating at an altitude of 16,000 feet, with rarefied air, making breathing difficult. Finally after much effort they could close enough to identify and designate the targets on the laser guidance system. Once the job was done, they fell back to a post that was jointly manned by the BSF and the Indian Army.

On the way, they found trees splattered with blood. The night before, the Indian Army had foiled an infiltration bid. The bloodstains on the trees were that of the infiltrating terrorists.
The Gathering Force

As Ft Lt Mishra and his two colleagues waited in a darkened bunker, Indian Army's Special Forces started moving into the post. Pakistani guns were in full flow. The only lantern in the bunker had been covered with black paper and put underneath a cot. Even a flicker of light would attract shells. Nonetheless, a Major of the Artillery Unit was calculating the Pakistani gun positions and relaying it back.

2 August 2002

As Ft Lt Mishra, his colleagues and the Special Forces waited, a bit of bad news came in--fighter jets weren't being able to take-off because of bad weather. As Pakistan continued to pound Indian posts, everyone dug in. The final assault was pushed back twice. Finally, at 1:30 pm on 2 August, the code came through. The fighters had taken off and the assault had begun.

Mirage-2000 fighters dipped over the horizon, locked on the laser beams and bombed the Pakistani bunkers in the Kel area in Kupwara sector. Due to the sensitive nature of the operation, we are withholding the number of aircraft used in operation and the exact location where the strike took place. The Pakistani bunkers were reduced to rubble. The casualties are unknown.

Shocked by the surprise air raid, the Pakistanis were quick to take counter-measures to confuse the second wave of fighter jets. Left with no option, The IAF team would break radio silence and communicate to the incoming fighters. They directed them correctly. Pakistan would open up its heavy artillery guns--this time to target the Army-BSF post on the LoC where they had taken refuge.

Due to the sensitive nature of the operation, we are withholding the number of aircraft used in operation and the exact location where the strike took place. The Pakistani bunkers were reduced to rubble. The casualties are unknown.
Ft Lt Mishra and his team would soon begin their long trek back to safety as the Indian Army's Special Forces moved in to eliminate any remaining Pakistani soldiers. By evening the Pakistani guns had fallen silent.

Pakistan never retaliated to the 2002 air strikes. The Vajpayee-led NDA government at the time was happy to keep the strikes under wraps. That the Indian Air Force and the Indian Army were deployed to destroy Pakistan's military capabilities remained known all these years to just a handful of people in the political and civilian leadership, apart from those involved in the operation.

Flt Lt Mishra retired from the IAF as a Wing Commander.

Because the secret operation was never placed on record, no one involved has received a gallantry medal.








http://www.huffingtonpost.in/2017/0...india-s-fighter-jets-hit-pakistan-in-a-surgi/

And after that writer wake up from heavy dose drugs sleep..all the bullshit always from indian loud mouths but low in capability

 

[singlefighter]

Next series...
Surgical strikes in 1965, 1971 , 1999

In 1948 you were defeated by tribals 1965 you were defeated on every front in 1971 you win because of bengalis son bitch traitors and in 1999 that was a border skirmish where india win after heavy losses more than the value of that peaks so plzzz be carefull next time with your argument with your loud mouth you can not damage the facts of history

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

burraq is not copy of any drone. It took Nescom more than 5 years to develop it to this stage. US continuously refused to supply us the technology so we did it ourselves. Initially burraq was un armed and after a lot of efforts it was made an armed drone.
when Pakistan test some weapons even if it is indigenous it's Chinese copy. When Indians Manufacture su-30 under ToT it is indigenous project.
when the just assemble imported kits of T 90 tank. It's ToT for them.

Different countries different standards.

 

[Surya 1]

AND STILL HURTS, NOT ABLE TO SIT PROPERLY SINCE THEN

NOW THEY WILL ASK FOR PROOFS,

GUYS, NEXT TIME WE WILL INVITE YOU FOR A LIVE SCREENING OF THIS GUYS

Indian planes hit Pakistani camp and kill 400 soldiers. The video is already there n you tube. Now I wonder how they will deny that.

 

[Majet Raha]

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so you will put rest four fingers in your *** ? hahaha

 

[Mentee]

Aeronautica made drones were acquired by Pakistan in 2000.

Both Shahpar and Burraq are from China and this has been confirmed by IISS & Jane's.

o we always said that Rustom-1 is based on NAL LCRA which was developed in cooperation with Burt Rutan long ez

Did your vayosyna ever disclose that Pak shot down an Indian su30 back in 2001 and a mig 27 in 1996 ?