Support for Nato membership soars to 76% in Finland

[Foinikas]

Yeah, luckily enough for Russia all the EU countries don't have anything to fire back at them.

Oh wait...

They do,but why do we have to have a European war? That's what I'm saying.

 

[reflecthofgeismar]

Have you forgotten history? The Teutonic Knights? The Swedish invasion? The French invasion? The German invasion? Tell me something common that all these wars had.

To be fair.
WW2, even under the bad circumstances Germany fought (biggest negative circumstance was the mustache and his entourage self) without L&L USSR would have crumbled.
Imagine no war against Brits and later the US in the Sea, only few troops in captured territories and all resources spent on USSR.
Soviets couldn't have an air force without materials from the US, don't have boots, cables, enough radios, no trains, food etc.
They couldn't have produced their own tanks, trucks etc. without materials from the West.
But yes, Russians were always "weak" (due several factors, except vs "great" Ottomans/Turks) when they were attackers but the ordinary "Russian mind" goes berserk when their motherland is DIRECTLY attacked, then even the greatest hater of the government will fight and die for "Mother Russia".
But as a whole, I understand what you means.
Russians won against strongest (from the point of quality) enemies when they had too.
Swedes, French, Germans, all the creme de la creme during the times and Russians (even not quality wise) won.

 

[jhungary]

West should send weapons and arm anti Russian Chechens and anti Russian Syrians. Chechens hate kadyrov and are brutally oppressed by them. Chechnya just needs one spark and people will forget the first 2 Chechen wars. Many Chechens already fighting for Ukraine in Ukraine. It’s time west supports Chechen independence openly and uses its propaganda power to turn kadyrovs in Ukraine into anti kadyrov.
Anti Russian Syrians also need to be armed and helped because Russia is 1000x more brutal in Syria. They bomb any moving thing even animals. They bomb everything that humans need to survive like water storages, food, livestock, homes. It’s a much more brutal massacre happened in Syria and west needs to support it like it supports Ukraine.
Syria and Chechnya would do severe damage to Russia while requiring a fraction of the weapons and funding Ukraine does.

West needs to stop ignoring the oppressed everywhere else. Many people would be willing to fight Russians but need weapons. Biggest advantage to supporting Muslim resistance groups is they’ll never stop fighting till they reach their goal and even if Russia nukes them they’ll still be fighting.

I think the Chechen and Syria situation is going to change. Putin is virtually bribing Kadyrov and Assad, when Russian start pulling force and start having difficulty paying bribe, there goes the loyalty. There are report saying Russia have to pull troop from Syria to fight in Ukraine, this mean it is draining a lot of resource for them, and things are going to change.

Whether or not the West should support weapon? I don't know. But there are going to be a lot of unclaimed weapon from both side of the war after this war, and where those weapon are going to end up would remain to be seen.

 

[Foinikas]

To be fair.
WW2, even under the bad circumstances Germany fought (biggest negative circumstance was the mustache and his entourage self) without L&L USSR would have crumbled.
Imagine no war against Brits and later the US in the Sea, only few troops in captured territories and all resources spent on USSR.
Soviets couldn't have an air force without materials from the US, don't have boots, cables, enough radios, no trains, food etc.
They couldn't have produced their own tanks, trucks etc. without materials from the West.
But yes, Russians were always "weak" (due several factors, except vs "great" Ottomans/Turks) when they were attackers but the ordinary "Russian mind" goes berserk when their motherland is DIRECTLY attacked, then even the greatest hater of the government will fight and die for "Mother Russia".
But as a whole, I understand what you means.
Russians won against strongest (from the point of quality) enemies when they had too.
Swedes, French, Germans, all the creme de la creme during the times and Russians (even not quality wise) won.

Definitely not trying to portray the Germans as inferior,they were the top. Of course,like you said,they fought in so many fronts that they didn't have all their manpower,equipment and funds on fighting the Soviets.

 

[reflecthofgeismar]

Definitely not trying to portray the Germans as inferior,they were the top. Of course,like you said,they fought in so many fronts that they didn't have all their manpower,equipment and funds on fighting the Soviets.

The thing I mean and that need people like Appollon to understand is, that when u force the Russian to act like the future of his motherland is in danger, he will go into hell and fight there.
I'm completely for it to let the Russian bleed, sadly it's now the only thing which is in hands. Bc o BS politics you (Europe) is now more or less forced.
But I wouldn't escalate it and talk from war - which it is but this histerical "war!" isn't good. Call it special humitarian mission or so.
Bc when you talk from "total war" etc. there isn't much room to escalate further you know? So, talk it small and more peaceful.
The Russians have no alternatives when you talk from the beginning with "total war" etc.
The escalation spiral is from the beginning to high then.
Surely, Murricans are happy when Europe becomes weaker and Russians and EU nations are not trading and improving relations.
So the Americans can concentrate on the Chinese.
@Apollon, wanna kill some Russkis?

 

[Apollon]

The thing I mean and that need people like Appollon to understand is, that when u force the Russian to act like the future of his motherland is in danger, he will go into hell and fight there.
I'm completely for it to let the Russian bleed, sadly it's now the only thing which is in hands. Bc o BS politics you (Europe) is now more or less forced.
But I wouldn't escalate it and talk from war - which it is but this histerical "war!" isn't good. Call it special humitarian mission or so.
Bc when you talk from "total war" etc. there isn't much room to escalate further you know? So, talk it small and more peaceful.
The Russians have no alternatives when you talk from the beginning with "total war" etc.
The escalation spiral is from the beginning to high then.
Surely, Murricans are happy when Europe becomes weaker and Russians and EU nations are not trading and improving relations.
So the Americans can concentrate on the Chinese.
@Apollon, wanna kill some Russkis?

I want kill nobody. I want Europe secured from russian threats and that can only happen with total russian defeat in Ukraine

 

[Foinikas]

The thing I mean and that need people like Appollon to understand is, that when u force the Russian to act like the future of his motherland is in danger, he will go into hell and fight there.
I'm completely for it to let the Russian bleed, sadly it's now the only thing which is in hands. Bc o BS politics you (Europe) is now more or less forced.
But I wouldn't escalate it and talk from war - which it is but this histerical "war!" isn't good. Call it special humitarian mission or so.
Bc when you talk from "total war" etc. there isn't much room to escalate further you know? So, talk it small and more peaceful.
The Russians have no alternatives when you talk from the beginning with "total war" etc.
The escalation spiral is from the beginning to high then.
Surely, Murricans are happy when Europe becomes weaker and Russians and EU nations are not trading and improving relations.
So the Americans can concentrate on the Chinese.
@Apollon, wanna kill some Russkis?

Exactly. Some Western countries were obsessed with getting influence in Russia's front and back yard. For world peace to work,you have to know your limits and not try to do buiseness in someone else's turf. They kept pushing it and pushing it.
Then they decided to destroy Russia with extreme sanctions even if it meant causing Europe to have energy crisis and instability. Like someone said: "Please,don't stop fcking Putin so much with the sanctions,our asses hurt."

When they use propaganda against Russians and try to isolate the country to such an extent,they are making things worse,not better. Because in the end,even the ones who didn't want Putin,will say "Hey,you guys hate all of us. You want to destroy our motherland".

Just like back in WWII,even those who were not communists and hated Stalin,fought against the Axis to defend their motherland.

In the Cold War,everyone knew their limits. Now it seems as if USA and Britain want a nuclear war so much.

I want kill nobody. I want Europe secured from russian threats and that can only happen with total russian defeat in Ukraine

How exactly did Russia threaten Europe,apart from the Ukrainian matter that had been going on since 2014?

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

People are celebrating as if WW3 would not happen, if it did start Finland will be 100% nuked by Russia now that it's in Nato.


And Russia can nuke back Nato members and then this will happen.

This video is oudated beciase Sweden and Finland are not hit because they are not in Nato which will change soon.

You should not wish for a nuclear exchange between the US and Russia, because China is likely to get a share of the US missiles. The incremental harm by Chinas reply is not going to stop that.

They can bomb the site where the rocket is being fired.

They can even send troop into Ukraine and take care of Russia from there.

They can do a lot of stuff if Russia initiate hostilities. Something Russian do not have real mean to counter seeing how they perform in Ukraine.


Most European are okay with Finland and Sweden joining, that's boosted their own defence. That is the reason why Stoltenberg openly invite Sweden and Finland to join, which was not done in many case of NATO membership before. The only one that would be a hold out is the country that with Parliament debate to support said action. Namely US, Canada and UK, and the majority of common are for it (from Johnson), the majority of Canadian Parliament are for it (from Trudeau) , probably the only potential holdout is US senate. But most republican senate already openly said they will support a motion for Sweden and Finland to join NATO.

Mitch McConnely just visited Sweden with a delegation from the Republican party confirming his support.

 

[Beny Karachun]

I said it again. What if Russia doesn't cross the border and just bombs Finland by rockets? Are you saying Russia can not afford some rockets now? What Finland could do? Will Finns cross border to fight Russia?

Russia is far from running out of soldiers.

Then Finland will enter Russia lol

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

And you think that by welcoming all countries bordering Russia,into NATO...will make the Russians feel safer?

The purpose of NATO is to make its members feel safer.

Russia just announced that it is not an existential threat to Russia is Sweden and/or Finland joins NATO.

Now is the best time to sign your own death warrant and bring whole Europe to ashes.

Russia obviously disagrees with you.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Oh? Because Bushist America that caused millions of deaths in Iraq and Obama administration that destroyed Libya and Syria by arming,funding and supporting numerous radical groups,have a place in the 21st century? Do you know how many millions of lives were ruined because of them? We're talking about bombings of hospitals,shelters,bombings at weddings,
Depleted uranium ammunition,no order,
destruction of economy,displaced people.
This is the outcome of the war in Iraq and the chaos they created there and in Libya and Syria. What about Yemen? Nobody even talks about the people there. It's like that don't exist.

Around 200-220,000 civilians were killed in Iraq from 2003 and onwards with US forces killing around 5% and the Iraqis themselves killing 95%.
Most of those killed by US were killed in the short time from the start of the war until the collapse.
It is documented in the Iraqi Body Count website.

 

[KAL-EL]

That's exactly you kids said before Russia invaded Ukraine.
It's time to take genuine security concerns of Russia seriously before it's too late.

Actually, I said no such thing. Did you actually see me say it?

It seems like it's burning you (and some others) right now, but thanks to Vlad's massive miscalculation, Finland and Sweden are about join NATO.

But by all means, continue to be bothered about it. No skin off my back.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Have you forgotten history? The Teutonic Knights? The Swedish invasion? The French invasion? The German invasion? Tell me something common that all these wars had.

The Swedish capture of Moscow in 1610 was a great success.
Unfortunately for the Russians they ran away from the subsequent battle with Poland.

They do,but why do we have to have a European war? That's what I'm saying.

There will not be a European War as Russia is retreating from its aggressive stance on Sweden and Finland joining NATO faster than boiled aspargus.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Actually, I said no such thing. Did you actually see me say it?

It seems like it's burning you (and some others) right now, but thanks to Vlad's massive miscalculation, Finland and Sweden are about join NATO.

But by all means, continue to be bothered about it. No skin off my back.

No you are triggered and pissed off but Russia made your wet dream of putting Ukraine in NATO void. Ukraine is only losing land that's why you are frustrated.

 

[gambit]

Then why join NATO anyway?

Because you want to get stronger REGARDLESS how much weaker is the other guy.