Stop Harassing us USA to PAK

[Devil Soul]

Diplomatic staff being harassed, complains US
By Asad Kharal
Published: March 19, 2012

LAHORE: US authorities have lodged a fresh complaint against the harassment of its diplomatic, expressing concern at the ‘inaction’ over an earlier complaint lodged some two years ago.

In a letter written to the Foreign Office earlier this month, the US administration formally updated Pakistani authorities on the alleged harassment of staff from its embassy and consulates in the country. The matter is likely to be taken up when the two sides meet for talks next month.

After receiving the complaint, Pakistan’s foreign ministry sent a circular to all the provincial governments, federal interior ministry and law-enforcement agencies asking them to take immediate remedial steps.

In January 2010, the US Embassy in Pakistan had lodged a similar public complaint, saying that its diplomatic staff were being harassed and detained while traveling around the country – a rare protest amid rising concerns of America’s expanding presence.

American officials say they need to increase their staff at the embassy to help disburse $7.5 billion aid to Pakistan. However, many Pakistanis harbouring anti-US sentiments allege America is bringing in spies. American diplomats complain of delays in approval of visas and their extensions, and also of being detained at checkpoints.

According to a press release issued on Jan 7, 2010, the US is concerned about false allegations against its personnel, who are working to forge a partnership between the two countries. It also urged Islamabad to make proper arrangements for their security.

On January 6, 2010, a US consulate general vehicle, carrying two Pakistani employees and their police escort, was stopped en route to Gwadar. The staffers were on the way to make preparations for the visit of US development assistance staff to one of Pakistan’s most impoverished regions.
The US Embassy emphasised that all its vehicles are appropriately registered with local authorities and carry all the documents attesting to their legal status. It added that the employees had also met with the police commissioner in Turbat as part of the protocol.

The US ambassador to Pakistan said that the foreign ministry is keen on providing proper arrangements to address the security concerns of diplomats. He assured that all US diplomats will comply with the Pakistani government’s procedures, but said that it had not implemented the measures agreed upon yet.
Published in The Express Tribune, March 19th, 2012.

 

[Malik Usman]

They are increasing the number of buildings in their embassy area illegaly...they are buying new land without any purpose other than to hide agents there.....they are spreading money to NOG's in the name of aid...which is mostely for propogandas against Pakistan.....they are cruising in the areas which they are not allowed and when they are stopped they complain that they are not getting freedom....they are inviting the parties of newsreporters and giving them money not to talk against US.....and only they have right o threat and harras other countries with sanctions...i.e. Pakistan Iran pipe lines....And only they have right to destory and attack on any country in the world and kill million peoples.........God Bless America

 

[Baby Leone]

lol @ 7.5 billion why they need extra staff? half of them already go to their banks & financial institution & the half has already been stopped by their govt.

BTW is this the same complaint which Asian countries also made several times when americans harrassed Asians in US?
there is high security in Pakistan due to threats of terrorists attacks why they are against our security checks?

NO ONE IS ABOVE LAW IN PAKISTAN...

 

[PlanetWarrior]

Not correct to interfere with diplomatic personnel in any country. It goes against the Geneva Convention. Somebody needs to email the administration a copy of the relevant parts of that Convention

 

[A1Kaid]

Not correct to interfere with diplomatic personnel in any country. It goes against the Geneva Convention. Somebody needs to email the administration a copy of the relevant parts of that Convention

There is no interference, but there are restrictions.

 

[lem34]

Why don't they get the message and go back home. We don't want American and Zionist agents in our neighbourhood

 

[Son of Mountains]

They think they r our masters and have all rights to do whatever they want......we have to prove ourselves as an independent nation....if we can.

 

[niaz]

Why don't they get the message and go back home. We don't want American and Zionist agents in our neighbourhood

Criticism of the US policies and its laws is natural and acceptable. However comments like go back home indicates naiveté in the extreme and a ‘Frog living in the well’ mentality.

There are estimated 0.5-million Pakistanis in the US, about 120,000 in Canda, 1.2-million in the UK and another 400,000 in other European countries. This makes nearly half of all the Pakistani origin people abroad. Suppose Americans say the same thing to overseas Pakistanis?

Besides, diplomatic staff is normally on equal basis; i.e. if US has 100 accredited diplomats in Pakistan, Pakistan is entitled the same in the US. Pakistan has consulates in many US cities including the San Francisco. Expect you will be happier living in complete isolation and making Pakistan another Somalia or Taliban Afghanistan?

For the record; there are about 2.8 million Pakistanis in the Middle East countries but the difference is that all of these will be sent back any time GCC gov’t desires. I know somebody living for 50 years in Kuwait and still cannot own anything. Whereas even illegal immigrants manage to stay in the US for years.

The comments indicate an extremely narrow minded and myopic attitude and total disregard of the international norms. I am really disappointed with the attitude and posts of some of the members of this forum. For heaven’s sake do we want to live as a part of the international community?

Despite all the wrong doings of the US to Pakistan, US is still the largest aid donor to Pakistan. In addition to billions of militay and economic aid; thousands of Pakistanis have benefitted from various US sponsored scholarships. Thousands more go to US for higher studies and are still there. Would you like US to ban Pakistanis admission to their universities?

True that we want ‘Friends not masters’ but must we become ungrateful SOB’s. I would humbly request honorable members to think before writing idiotic comments.

 

[rockstarIN]

Great post Niaz saab, I found overseas Pakistanis are more patriotic than locals. They scream much..'get out of my land'..

 

[niaz]

A country has the option of cutting back her diplomatic staff and asking the other country to do the same. Any diplomat that abuses hospitality can be declared ‘Persona non grata’ and asked to leave the country within a few days or in extreme case you can break off diplomatic relations.
But IMO, complaint against harassment of diplomats is perfectly normal and does not call for comments such as ‘Go back home’.

May be I got carried away and used strong language for which I apologise. Nevertheless, Pakistan is a member of the international community and has to abide by the international standards for the treatment of diplomats.

 

[lem34]

Criticism of the US policies and its laws is natural and acceptable. However comments like go back home indicates naiveté in the extreme and a ‘Frog living in the well’ mentality.

I think with where it has been established that "diplomats" are not actually diplomats we are well entitled to ask them to go home.

There are estimated 0.5-million Pakistanis in the US, about 120,000 in Canda, 1.2-million in the UK and another 400,000 in other European countries. This makes nearly half of all the Pakistani origin people abroad. Suppose Americans say the same thing to overseas Pakistanis?

If overseas Pakistanis undertake undesirable activity then Americans or any other countries nationals are entitled to take a similar view. I unlike others know what hypocrisy and duplicity are

Besides, diplomatic staff is normally on equal basis; i.e. if US has 100 accredited diplomats in Pakistan, Pakistan is entitled the same in the US. Pakistan has consulates in many US cities including the San Francisco.

Pakistani diplomats would be shown the door if they behaved in the manner that "American diplomats" have behaved. They would certainly be taken to account if they killed host country's nationals

The comments indicate an extremely narrow minded and myopic attitude and total disregard of the international norms. I am really disappointed with the attitude and posts of some of the members of this forum. For heaven’s sake do we want to live as a part of the international community?

I for one am disappointed that a think tank certainly one of your age could be so out of touch. I do not accept your interpretation of what I have said and regard you as an apologist for American excesses

Despite all the wrong doings of the US to Pakistan, US is still the largest aid donor to Pakistan. In addition to billions of militay and economic aid; thousands of Pakistanis have benefitted from various US sponsored scholarships. Thousands more go to US for higher studies and are still there. Would you like US to ban Pakistanis admission to their universities?

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Despite the wrongs??? You start by accepting they have done wrongs. The difference between you and me is that you want me to turn the other cheek. Sorry I have been born in a time when educated young Pakistani's will not just accept slaps on our face. Further give me a break. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Our rich Pakistani's have been bribed to sell us out to Americans. It is their children that study at Oxford. It is their family's that use west health system etc.

 

[lem34]

True that we want ‘Friends not masters’ but must we become ungrateful SOB’s. I would humbly request honorable members to think before writing idiotic comments.

That's just it they have never been our friends and never will be. When they have done something for us it is not cos they are our friends its cos it suits there wider ulterior motives. Did you notice on the thread about Kissinger where it is stated that America informed Russia that West Pakistan was a red line. They could have said both East and West Pakistan were red lines but they didn't.

We were their allies. Russia was India's ally. Whenever we were in war they sanctioned and stopped supplying weapons and started to pretend they didn't want to supply or encourage war. In reality this meant they supported the enemy. I would have thought you knowing how many times they had let us down would suggest differently. But to take this as an opportunity to bash a patriot even if you thought wrongly that I am a young misguided patriot shows why you have got approval from some Indians on your post that they have been moved to post a well done.

 

[lem34]

Nevertheless, Pakistan is a member of the international community and has to abide by the international standards for the treatment of diplomats.

Yea rules apply to Pakistanis but not American "diplomats" like Davies who killed two Pakistani nationals. Which country in the world would allow it's citizens to be killed by "diplomats" and turn the other cheek.

 

[MilSpec]

This is unfortunate, If the intention is to do good for pakistan by facilitating aid of 7.5 billion dollars, Pakistani establishment should ensure their safety and convenience.

Pakistan also needs to rebuild its trust deficit with US for smooth diplomatic operations of the military aid and the top of the line hardware it receives from the US.

Members here might be too fond of the Chinese.. but always remember, US has always provided "game changer" hardware when the insecurities over India have grown.

 

[longbrained]

Criticism of the US policies and its laws is natural and acceptable. However comments like go back home indicates naiveté in the extreme and a ‘Frog living in the well’ mentality.

There are estimated 0.5-million Pakistanis in the US, about 120,000 in Canda, 1.2-million in the UK and another 400,000 in other European countries. This makes nearly half of all the Pakistani origin people abroad. Suppose Americans say the same thing to overseas Pakistanis?

Besides, diplomatic staff is normally on equal basis; i.e. if US has 100 accredited diplomats in Pakistan, Pakistan is entitled the same in the US. Pakistan has consulates in many US cities including the San Francisco. Expect you will be happier living in complete isolation and making Pakistan another Somalia or Taliban Afghanistan?

For the record; there are about 2.8 million Pakistanis in the Middle East countries but the difference is that all of these will be sent back any time GCC gov’t desires. I know somebody living for 50 years in Kuwait and still cannot own anything. Whereas even illegal immigrants manage to stay in the US for years.

The comments indicate an extremely narrow minded and myopic attitude and total disregard of the international norms. I am really disappointed with the attitude and posts of some of the members of this forum. For heaven’s sake do we want to live as a part of the international community?

Despite all the wrong doings of the US to Pakistan, US is still the largest aid donor to Pakistan. In addition to billions of militay and economic aid; thousands of Pakistanis have benefitted from various US sponsored scholarships. Thousands more go to US for higher studies and are still there. Would you like US to ban Pakistanis admission to their universities?

True that we want ‘Friends not masters’ but must we become ungrateful SOB’s. I would humbly request honorable members to think before writing idiotic comments.

You do not know what you are talking about. Iranians kicked US embassy out of their country and there are more Iranians than ever living in US and guess what Iranians are among the most educated and richest among the immigrant community of US. Recently the also kicked British out of their country and still there are Iranians in UK. What you fail to grasp is the difference between people living in another country and the diplomatic relations. These are two different things. For example there might be Americans living in Iran or vice versa but no diplomatic relations. Then there is the point that US is an immigrant country. A Pakistani is as much entitled to be there as is an Irish, a scott, British or German. The only people entitled to say to others to get out are the red Indians who have been almost exterminated and hold no power whatsoever. As for UK, they were here for more than 300 years with no visa and no public permission. I do not see why we can not be there for an equal amount of time. Be egalitarian next time and do not be scared. We are a nuclear armed nation. Not some banana republic.