State of the nation: Urdu press seen complicit in Ahmedi baiting
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It is sad to see religious freedom not respected in pakistan.
I hope Ahmedis can live with others in peace and tolerance..
I hope Ahmedis can live with others in peace and tolerance..
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Hey Meesna... India is a secular state which doesn't act secular. Does that mean it's a fascist state? No.
What right does the Express Tribune have to say that the stories were baseless? More like this article is baseless. This is why I don't trust the Express Tribune anymore.
What right does the Express Tribune have to say that the stories were baseless? More like this article is baseless. This is why I don't trust the Express Tribune anymore.
It is sad to see religious freedom not respected in pakistan.
I hope Ahmedis can live with others in peace and tolerance..
I don’t get it. Its the "others" ie Sunnis and Shias who are persecuiting Ahmadis not the other way round.
Baseless means without a basis...normally you should be taking people to court and convict them in an open fair trial to prove charges instead of running media trials. Media trials alone prove there is no legal justification but intent to incite hatred causing loss of life and property. Same way as hatred was incited against Salman Taseer causing his murder.
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Seems admins are trying to oppress human rights threads by labelling them as religious by giving me infractions. Funny that its not considered a religious thread if its good news but labeled as religious and closed if its a bad news.
The more situation deteriorates in Pakistan the more some people like to blind themselves to avoid having to face the issues. What a productive and progressive attitude.
I don't get the comparison. In Islamic Republic of Pakistan Anti-Ahmadiyya persecution is approved by ulema, sanctioned by the state and entrenched in the law. State is not violating any of its ideals in fact it is following them. Islamic Republic of Pakistan is a fascist apartheid state by its own choice of ideals.
Hi Mr. Meesna, thanks for posting this article. I was getting ready to post it, but you had done it already. Like you, I hate it when someone is picked on simply for being different.
Picking on Ahmadis is nothing new, it is just more open and state sanctioned now. I remember back in the late 70's how the jaamat-islami came to Libya and had a list of all Ahmadis and claimed they were Israeli spies.
All of the Ahmadi males here herded up, and questioned for months, from the morning till late evening. They were in the end all exonerated by the Libyan police, but the experience was to much for them and most of them fled to other countries. I remember thinking way back then that Pakistan would pay the price for fundamentalism and hatred later on.... Well the fruits are right in front of us.
Pakistan is in a very sad state. There is no law and order, kidnappings, murders, acid attacks and assaults on women, robberies, corruption, no jobs, etc. Yet, this nation still has time to butcher its minorities. As I have stated before, one wonders why Pakistan is consistent in making the top ten of failed states each year.
No matter what you say India is better for its minorities, compared to Pakistn. Mullahs in India tried to declare Ahmadis non-Muslims, but the Indian Supreme court ended that.
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State of the nation: Urdu press seen complicit in Ahmedi baiting
Report on Ahmedi*s reveal*s victim*isatio*n and harass*ment.
By Rana Tanveer
Published: May 7, 2012
Report on Ahmedis reveals victimisation and harassment. PHOTO: EXPRESS/FILE
LAHORE: The Urdu press and media are contributing to the hate campaign against Ahmedis by publishing baseless stories, the annual report, Persecution of Ahmedis in Pakistan during the year 2011 said. During 2011 more than 1,173 baseless stories against Ahmedis were published, the report added.
According to Jamaat Ahmedia spokesman Saleemuddin in 2011, Ahmadis were not allowed to hold a convention in Chenab Nagar (Rabwah), where 95 per cent of the population is Ahmedi. The community was also not allowed to hold any sports events openly, he said. On the other hand, he pointed out, anybody wanting to rally against the Jamaat Ahmedi had a free hand. They were also allowed to abuse and slander revered Ahmedi figures.
During 2011 Ahmadis were not allowed to build any places of worship anywhere in Pakistan. At some places, the police forcibly stopped the construction, Saleemuddin said. Speaking at the launch of the annual report on May 2, he said that the Constitution allowed every citizen to freely practice their faith and thus to build their places of worship. The report says, six Ahmedis were murdered and 31 had survived assassination attempts (made because of their faith). After the promulgation of the 1984 anti-Ahmadiyya Ordinance, 210 Ahmedis had been killed because of their faith. There were 1,008 cases pending against Ahmedis in courts throughout the country.
Saleemuddin said, There is an open hate campaign against Ahmedis in Pakistan even young children studying in nurseries are not spared.
He said posters, stickers, fliers and calendars carrying hate messages were openly distributed. He pointed to the hate campaigns in Faisalabad where fliers and leaflets were openly distributed calling for Ahmedis to be killed. The government had failed to take any concrete action against such actions, he said.
He said extremists had increased their efforts to isolate the community and the campaign to encourage people to boycott Ahmedis and products of Ahmedi businesses had also been a major issue. Ahmedi children faced expulsion from schools. Many educational institutions refused to admit them.
The government, he said, seemed to have succumbed to the pressure from extremists and decided to look the other way.
Saleemuddin urged the government to re-evaluate laws that targetted the Ahmedi community and ensure that Ahmedis emjoy equal rights as any citizen. Ahmedis are facing legal, social, cultural and political discrimination because of these laws.
He said, There have been 210 deaths after the imposition of these discriminatory laws in 1984, 254 assassination attempts, 23 Ahmedi places of worship have been demolished and 28 sealed by the administration. Sixteen places of worship have been taken over, 29 graves have been opened and desecrated. As many as 57 Ahmadis have been refused burial in common graveyards.
Published in The Express Tribune, May 7th, 2012.
Picking on Ahmadis is nothing new, it is just more open and state sanctioned now. I remember back in the late 70's how the jaamat-islami came to Libya and had a list of all Ahmadis and claimed they were Israeli spies.
All of the Ahmadi males here herded up, and questioned for months, from the morning till late evening. They were in the end all exonerated by the Libyan police, but the experience was to much for them and most of them fled to other countries. I remember thinking way back then that Pakistan would pay the price for fundamentalism and hatred later on.... Well the fruits are right in front of us.
Pakistan is in a very sad state. There is no law and order, kidnappings, murders, acid attacks and assaults on women, robberies, corruption, no jobs, etc. Yet, this nation still has time to butcher its minorities. As I have stated before, one wonders why Pakistan is consistent in making the top ten of failed states each year.
No matter what you say India is better for its minorities, compared to Pakistn. Mullahs in India tried to declare Ahmadis non-Muslims, but the Indian Supreme court ended that.
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State of the nation: Urdu press seen complicit in Ahmedi baiting
Report on Ahmedi*s reveal*s victim*isatio*n and harass*ment.
By Rana Tanveer
Published: May 7, 2012
Report on Ahmedis reveals victimisation and harassment. PHOTO: EXPRESS/FILE
LAHORE: The Urdu press and media are contributing to the hate campaign against Ahmedis by publishing baseless stories, the annual report, Persecution of Ahmedis in Pakistan during the year 2011 said. During 2011 more than 1,173 baseless stories against Ahmedis were published, the report added.
According to Jamaat Ahmedia spokesman Saleemuddin in 2011, Ahmadis were not allowed to hold a convention in Chenab Nagar (Rabwah), where 95 per cent of the population is Ahmedi. The community was also not allowed to hold any sports events openly, he said. On the other hand, he pointed out, anybody wanting to rally against the Jamaat Ahmedi had a free hand. They were also allowed to abuse and slander revered Ahmedi figures.
During 2011 Ahmadis were not allowed to build any places of worship anywhere in Pakistan. At some places, the police forcibly stopped the construction, Saleemuddin said. Speaking at the launch of the annual report on May 2, he said that the Constitution allowed every citizen to freely practice their faith and thus to build their places of worship. The report says, six Ahmedis were murdered and 31 had survived assassination attempts (made because of their faith). After the promulgation of the 1984 anti-Ahmadiyya Ordinance, 210 Ahmedis had been killed because of their faith. There were 1,008 cases pending against Ahmedis in courts throughout the country.
Saleemuddin said, There is an open hate campaign against Ahmedis in Pakistan even young children studying in nurseries are not spared.
He said posters, stickers, fliers and calendars carrying hate messages were openly distributed. He pointed to the hate campaigns in Faisalabad where fliers and leaflets were openly distributed calling for Ahmedis to be killed. The government had failed to take any concrete action against such actions, he said.
He said extremists had increased their efforts to isolate the community and the campaign to encourage people to boycott Ahmedis and products of Ahmedi businesses had also been a major issue. Ahmedi children faced expulsion from schools. Many educational institutions refused to admit them.
The government, he said, seemed to have succumbed to the pressure from extremists and decided to look the other way.
Saleemuddin urged the government to re-evaluate laws that targetted the Ahmedi community and ensure that Ahmedis emjoy equal rights as any citizen. Ahmedis are facing legal, social, cultural and political discrimination because of these laws.
He said, There have been 210 deaths after the imposition of these discriminatory laws in 1984, 254 assassination attempts, 23 Ahmedi places of worship have been demolished and 28 sealed by the administration. Sixteen places of worship have been taken over, 29 graves have been opened and desecrated. As many as 57 Ahmadis have been refused burial in common graveyards.
Published in The Express Tribune, May 7th, 2012.
Thanks. I am getting infractions from mods every time I post a human rights issue article about Pakistan, including this one. How does an article published in LA Times or one in Express Tribune on human rights and civil liberties count as religious post, I have no idea. But it seems there is a price for speaking out against human rights violations in Pakistan.
Mod admits they are only looking for positive news in other words censoring bad news. See below. Where is one to bring good news from, from what is currently going on in Pakistan? Mod should also explain that.
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This is a "religious" thread too by your standard. Why is it not blocked?
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If you want to suppress human rights threads by labelling them religious then say so. Appears to me if it’s a good news it’s OK if it’s a bad news its not.
Dear Meesna,
You have received an infraction at Pakistan Defence Forum.
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LA Times: Lahore police, Ahmadi mosque looks too much like a mosque
ISLAMABAD — Last week, a group of police officers in the eastern Pakistani city of Lahore visited a mosque run by Ahmadis, a minority Muslim sect viewed by the rest of the country as heretics. They took a look around and announced their conclusion: This mosque looks too much like a mosque.Lahore police: Ahmadi mosque looks too much like a mosque - latimes.comAll the best,
Pakistan Defence ForumBy WebMaster By Meesna
Positive news is fine, we dont have the capacity to moderate negative news.
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Re: You have received an infraction at Pakistan Defence Forum
This is a "religious" thread too by your standard. Why is it not blocked?
Pakistani Hindus celeberate holi
If you want to suppress human rights threads by labelling them religious then say so. Appears to me if it’s a good news it’s OK if it’s a bad news its not.
Dear Meesna,
You have received an infraction at Pakistan Defence Forum.
Reason: Other Rules
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Keep creating religious threads.
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This infraction is worth 1 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.
Original Post:
LA Times: Lahore police, Ahmadi mosque looks too much like a mosque
ISLAMABAD — Last week, a group of police officers in the eastern Pakistani city of Lahore visited a mosque run by Ahmadis, a minority Muslim sect viewed by the rest of the country as heretics. They took a look around and announced their conclusion: This mosque looks too much like a mosque.Lahore police: Ahmadi mosque looks too much like a mosque - latimes.comAll the best,
Pakistan Defence ForumBy WebMaster By Meesna
Positive news is fine, we dont have the capacity to moderate negative news.
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Rules are rules
Rules are rules
What rules? The only rule seems to be to suppress human rights violations news.
What religious stuff? Persecution is a human rights, legal and social issue.
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Human right issues are not about religion, he is not trying to proselytize, rather draw attention to the plight of a specific community (which happens to be of specific religion/sect).
When you say religious discussion not allowed, I understand we are not supposed to discuss theology. Religious groups consist of human beings, and their story is human story. I am not sure that is banned.
@Meesna: Please do not discuss theology of ahmediya sect, or try to prove that they are muslims using religious scripture. That will amount to religious discussion.
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What is so difficult for everyone to tolerate a different sets of belief? Muslims seem to be the most intolerant and Xenophobic, sorry to say.
They should take lessons from Christian countries. There are so many sects of christianity yet they are all considered Christians with no discrimination.
They should take lessons from Christian countries. There are so many sects of christianity yet they are all considered Christians with no discrimination.
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