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Barring Muslim world
Slow down boss. Turkey, Bosnia, Albania, Kosova? Or are those too white and thus not "Muslim"? And Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea are far from 'liberal democracies'. Who you kidding here. They still have strong undertones of authoritarian impulses.

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Slow down boss. Turkey, Bosnia, Albania, Kosova? Or are those too white and thus not "Muslim"? And Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea are far from 'liberal democracies'. Who you kidding here. They still have strong undertones of authoritarian impulses.
Ok, "barring Middle east, Central Asia and Pakistan for some periods", I thought there was a short name for this. And apart from Singapore those two are liberal democracies to reasonable extent.
 
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Slow down boss. Turkey, Bosnia, Albania, Kosova? Or are those too white and thus not "Muslim"? And Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea are far from 'liberal democracies'. Who you kidding here. They still have strong undertones of authoritarian impulses.

It's actually Malaysian. They use Roman script.

Bosnia Kosova je Yugoslavia and Albanians are drug pushers and mobsters and Italian larpers to be honest all these White Nationalists types dont really hate Muslims per see if they were millions of Bosniaks,Albanians flooding western Europe no probs they only have issues with Us Pakiees,and Arabs,Turks to a extent
 
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And apart from Singapore those two are liberal democracies to reasonable extent.
Nope. Democracies yes. Liberal not. If your definition as as is understood in Western Europe. However they are evolving and will reach that point. So will China at some point. Democracy is a work in progress. Pakistan is also a democracy. Unfortunately. Not liberal. But still a democracy. Nawaz, Zaradari, Benezir etc were inflicted on Pakistan via the ballot box.

Ok, "barring Middle east, Central Asia and Pakistan for some periods"
You missed most of the world out.

  • China
  • Africa
  • South America [most]
  • Central america [most]

Gambling is not allowed in Islam [puts on his judgemental, pretentious pious hat on] and is haram.
 
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Nope. Democracies yes. Liberal not. If your definition as as is understood in Western Europe. However they are evolving and will reach that point. So will China at some point. Democracy is a work in progress. Pakistan is also a democracy. Unfortunately. Not liberal. But still a democracy. Nawaz, Zaradari, Benezir etc were inflicted on Pakistan via the ballot box.

You missed most of the world out.

  • China
  • Africa
  • South America [most]
  • Central america [most]

Gambling is not allowed in Islam [puts on his judgemental, pretentious pious hat on] and is haram.

Nah I just went to Vegas to visit and I was too young to gamble anyways
 
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You missed most of the world out.

  • China
  • Africa
  • South America [most]
  • Central america [most]
China was in question, so example were to be others. Half of Africa is Muslim itself. Latin America has grown democracies too, at least compared to "Muslim world". So, my remark was approximately true.
 

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Half of Africa is Muslim itself.
Is the Christian half any better then the Muslim half in terms of democracy? Nope. Religion is poor predictor of democratic credentials. Latin America has had until very recently some of the worst dicatorships imaginable with profound abuses of human rights etc

You do understand democracy in India or Pakistan is not indigenous. The seeds were planted by our colonial masters? Would you have preferred if the British had also conquerd China and planted the sapling of Westminister style democracy in Beijing along with Lutyens designed Parliamant building?
 
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I see China's governing system not much different from what's been around for 2000 years in the country, all Chinese leaders were good Chinese historians who were very versed about the long Chinese history and constantly pick policies and solutions from history books and rehash them a bit and use them in managing today' China.
 
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Just kidding. As a secular Muslim I have to say the Islamic prohibition of drink, gambling etc are great examples to rest of the world of the positives of Islam.

You have a uncanny resemblance to Oswald Mosley a 1930s British Fascist Leader tho Brown and I agree the positives of Islam is prohibition of drinking and in real life whenever my Latin relatives were on town always dead drunk on Budweiser or some crappy Mexican beer we had to buy it cause without that drink they go crazy part of the reason why when I became adolescent never got into Drinking
 
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Is the Christian half any better then the Muslim half in terms of democracy? Nope. Religion is poor predictor of democratic credentials. Latin America has had until very recently some of the worst dicatorships imaginable with profound abuses of human rights etc

You do understand democracy in India or Pakistan is not indigenous. The seeds were planted by our colonial masters? Would you have preferred if the British had also conquerd China and planted the sapling of Westminister style democracy in Beijing along with Lutyens designed Parliamant building?

As someone with part Latin heritage Latin America is no model for anything its an appendage of the US imperial structure look at countries that tried to resist like Cuba,Nicaragua,El Salvador,Brazil,Venezuela and Chile any nationalist govt was overthrown or f.cked by US interests
 
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Tell that to the CCP. What is that copy/paste Soviet style everything then.
If China copies and pastes then we'll end up like USSR. Our merit based leadership selection system and Gaokao ,universal examination system for all students and civil servants, have been around for 2000 years already , which are still the foundation and base for everything in today's China.

Chinese were always good business people throughout the history, wherever we go, we become successful in business, so we don't have to learn how to do business from the west, it's in the blood.

China througout the history , for the most part, has always been a centralised country which the central government possessed absolute centralised power, we didn't get this from Maxism.
 
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If China copies and pastes then we'll end up like USSR. Our merit based leadership selection system and Gaokao ,universal examination system for all students and civil servants, have been around for 2000 years already , which are still the foundation and base for everything in today's China.

Chinese were always good business people throughout the history, wherever we go, we become successful in business, so we don't have to learn how to do business from the west, it's in the blood.

China througout the history , for the most part, has always been a centralised country which the central government possessed absolute centralised power, we didn't get this from Maxism.

It's a mixture of both nevertheless China took the positive aspects of the Soviet system for their advantage you cant deny that
 
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