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China’s Stock Crash Poised to Flip Over Global Finance / Sputnik International

As mainland China’s financial situation worsens, the overall economic turmoil is threatening to flip over the fragile growth in nations most exposed to the Chinese risk, with the rest to follow into a global meltdown, far exceeding in scale the Great Depression.

Kristian Rouz — The dramatic decline in mainland China's bourses, which began on June 12 and received only limited episodes of government-backed relief, has had significant spillovers for the overseas markets, in both advanced and developing nations. Whilst the capital flight for the safer assets and decline in commodities' prices are only the tip of the iceberg, the increased scale of fluctuations in global financials and major shifts in international trading in money and goods have all stirred deeper and longer-lasting effects in the world economy. Albeit the government in Beijing is attempting to stabilize the situation by having introduced monetary stimulus, the Chinese stock panic is threatening to throw a large part of modern civilization into a full-blown economic demise, in a fashion similar to the Great Depression of the 1930s.
The fallout in mainland China's stock market started on June 12, and has led to a dramatic selloff in stocks across the sectors listed on the major indices of Shanghai and Shenzhen. Almost a month after the demise started, mainland's stock markets have witnessed the equivalent of $3.9 trln of wealth vanish in what has become the greatest financial meltdown in China's recent history. Among the biggest losers have been, besides the banking sector and the real estate, some 90 mln Chinese individuals, participating in stocks trading and comprising some 85% of all mainland investors.

Since 12 June. The Shanghai Composite Index lost 35% of its valuation, slightly rebounding toward the end of this outgoing week. The partial freeze in stock trading has affected over 1,400 listed companies, meanwhile, investors are seeking any opportunity to sell. Volatility measure for Chinese markets has jumped to 56, its highest since 2008, and is now five times the volatility of the S&P 500 in New York.
Up to now, the worst day for China's equity markets was July 8, when the decline turned into a full-blown panic, sending shockwaves across the globe. On that day, the Shanghai index crashed a staggering 6%, immediately sending the stock-connected Hong Kong 6% down as well, and also hitting Tokyo's Nikkei Index.

The most significant domestic risk for the mainland is the still the outstanding amount of margin debt. That means, during the year prior to June 12 the Chinese individual investors would borrow money from the bank, invest it in stock, effectively paying off their debt and enjoying stunning profits later. Thus, mainland's almost twofold rise in stock over the year 2014-2015 was fueled by borrowed money. Now, as the stocks have slumped, many investors are still in debt, the total amount of this margin debt is estimated at $232 bln — an outstanding figure, undermining the well-being of some 50 mln Chinese middle class. As the situation unravels, social unrest is likely, and this is Beijing's biggest fear.

The government allocated some $42 bln to halt the market crash, but this is utterly insufficient. Paired with the partial freeze in trading, this money can pay Beijing several days (like the course of events in New York on 24-29 October, 1929), but you can't mislead the market. The bottom is yet to be reached.

And here is where the global risks emerge. Set aside the possible social and/or political chaos in the mainland, the purely economic effects of China's accelerated slowdown, enhanced by the ongoing financial implosion, would be a dramatic decline in commodities prices, a rapid above-the-real-economy rise in the European and, to a lesser extent, US stocks (prompting financial bubbles there), as well as uncertainty in global trade.

Mainland China had been the driving force behind the global growth of the last 10-15 years. Being the world's biggest industrial producer of both consumer goods and low-end mechanical parts and tech hardware, the Communist nation had been the price-determining actor in global commodities trade. Mainland China is one of the world's largest oil consumers, and a dramatic economic demise will inevitably weigh on the barrel's valuation. According to the Japan Oil, Gas and Metals National Corporation (JOGMEC) estimates, if the Chinese crisis unravels further, a barrel of US oil will cost some $45 this October. Consequently, the already struggling oil exporting nations will face greater fiscal difficulties.

Iron ore will be another victim to see a slump in demand from mainland China, effectively losing value. That means Australia's economy will be first in line to take a blow, as the nation is the main exporter of iron ore to China. The mainland is already producing 10 times more steel than its domestic market is able to consume, meaning the excessive steel produce is likely to be exported in the nearest future.

At this point, investors are all looking to the Q2 growth data for mainland China, due July 15. The economy is likely to underperform, but if the data is too dramatic the stock rout is bound to widen. Although the value-to-earnings ratio for the Chinese bourses dropped to 57 from 108 at the top of the rally earlier this year, it is still far above the 16.5 in New York. For comparison's sake, the figure of 25 is perceived as dangerously high, meaning the greater decline in Shanghai and Shenzhen is yet to come.


While China's middle class has suffered a major blow to its well-being, the consumer demand is only poised to suffer. As the mainland's economic expansion is slowing even below the less-than-acceptable 7%, Beijing's hopes to readjust the nation's economy towards domestically-driven production are now significantly impaired.

During last two trading sessions, on Thursday and Friday, the mainland's indices have rebounded slightly — but only because the government ruled to halt trading in stocks of 45% of the listed companies, after having banned any IPOs. That said, the recent wave of relief based on China's halted crash is very preliminary. Mainland's bursting bubble is half-frozen, and Beijing's further actions are hard to predict, leaving a lot of uncertainty in global finance. Lack of clarity, in turn, is a best friend to bear market.
 
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Alarmist nonsense! Chinese bourses are less than 20% of its economy! It will have little effect on the overall economy of the country.
 
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Alarmist nonsense! Chinese bourses are less than 20% of its economy! It will have little effect on the overall economy of the country.

But...but...but...it's Sputnik...that bastion of honest journalism!

Would their good friend throw them under the bus?

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Alarmist nonsense! Chinese bourses are less than 20% of its economy! It will have little effect on the overall economy of the country.

The article is close to truth, the economy is a bubble and is only showing its weakness through Housing and Stock market.

Chinese GDP is not 10 Trillion and it is close to 7 Trillion (approx). They have created a bubble through out the last decade and now the economy is going for correction.

Instead of hard landing they are trying to release the pressure in steps. But the Chinese Stock market exposed the weakness.

Chinese economy will be slow paced economy for a long time from now.
 
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But...but...but...it's Sputnik...that bastion of honest journalism!

Would their good friend throw them under the bus?

I was about to say the same thing. Lets see the chinese members here call their russian friend news media propaganda, like they like doing with western media.:lol:
 
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No doubt in my mind that chinese economy will face the same long duration slow gdp growth as USA is facing.
 
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The article is close to truth, the economy is a bubble and is only showing its weakness through Housing and Stock market.

Chinese GDP is not 10 Trillion and it is close to 7 Trillion (approx). They have created a bubble through out the last decade and now the economy is going for correction.

Instead of hard landing they are trying to release the pressure in steps. But the Chinese Stock market exposed the weakness.

Chinese economy will be slow paced economy for a long time from now.

Erm, how exactly is housing and stock suppose to "create" a 3 trillion dollar (30% GDP) bubble considering real estate and finance sector combined contribute to about 5.3% of Chinese GDP?

People are way over-estimating stock and real estate's impact in GDP for larger countries. Heck, real estate is MUCH larger share of the GDP pie in US than China, but is still only around 10% of the national GDP, nowhere close to the 30% figure. Stock market value is actually never counted in GDP calculation because it is not production/consumption. You have to go to a very small country with a skewed economic structure, such as iceland, to have finance and real estate contribute that much to the GDP.

I do believe there is a post in this section of the forum a few days explaining why Chinese stock market isn't actually closely related to the Chinese economy.
 
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Erm, how exactly is housing and stock suppose to "create" a 3 trillion dollar (30% GDP) bubble considering real estate and finance sector combined contribute to about 5.3% of Chinese GDP?

People are way over-estimating stock and real estate's impact in GDP for larger countries. Heck, real estate is MUCH larger share of the GDP pie in US than China, but is still only around 10% of the national GDP, nowhere close to the 30% figure. Stock market value is actually never counted in GDP calculation because it is not production/consumption. You have to go to a very small country with a skewed economic structure, such as iceland, to have finance and real estate contribute that much to the GDP.

I do believe there is a post in this section of the forum a few days explaining why Chinese stock market isn't actually closely related to the Chinese economy.

1) Local authorities manipulated and inflated the GDP rates to meet the dead lines.

2) CCP invested in many infrastructure projects that gave no big returns (infact loss in some projects). The officials added these projects to GDP estimates.

3) Inflated export numbers etc....etc...

The above points for GDP estimates.

Regarding the recent stock market bubble, stock markets are indicators of country's economy. When housing bubble started Govt. of China put restrictions on Lending/Borrowing but encouraged people to invest in stocks.

There by inflating the stocks and creating bubble.

When you sell something at a inflated rate and keep on doing it and in the process show the customers some profits in numbers , you are creating a bubble which will burst after some time since the asset values do not match the inflated prices of the market.
 
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Erm, how exactly is housing and stock suppose to "create" a 3 trillion dollar (30% GDP) bubble considering real estate and finance sector combined contribute to about 5.3% of Chinese GDP?

People are way over-estimating stock and real estate's impact in GDP for larger countries. Heck, real estate is MUCH larger share of the GDP pie in US than China, but is still only around 10% of the national GDP, nowhere close to the 30% figure. Stock market value is actually never counted in GDP calculation because it is not production/consumption. You have to go to a very small country with a skewed economic structure, such as iceland, to have finance and real estate contribute that much to the GDP.

I do believe there is a post in this section of the forum a few days explaining why Chinese stock market isn't actually closely related to the Chinese economy.


True..stock market works as an indicator and not actually counted into the GDP, though for other open markets it is a source of FDI for a period of time. Also, for some economies it indicates the health of the over all economy and boosts the value of the companies who's stock are traded on. Stock of strong performing companies rarely go down below acceptable levels - unless there is an artificial boost beyond it's total worth waiting to collapse. All other indicators of the chinese economy are pretty strong though.
 
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Everyone have harangue on China economy and China stock market.

Many China stock market crash threads in these days, I suggest all can post in one thread, no open new thread, let see how China Stock market go, and influence China economy, that will be very interesting.
 
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Dont have any knowlege in economics but i know great depression was real bad and it lead 2nd world war. Hope it doesnt happen again. Cant china use its 1trillion reserve for liquidity in market
 
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1) Local authorities manipulated and inflated the GDP rates to meet the dead lines.

2) CCP invested in many infrastructure projects that gave no big returns (infact loss in some projects). The officials added these projects to GDP estimates.

3) Inflated export numbers etc....etc...

The above points for GDP estimates.

Regarding the recent stock market bubble, stock markets are indicators of country's economy. When housing bubble started Govt. of China put restrictions on Lending/Borrowing but encouraged people to invest in stocks.

There by inflating the stocks and creating bubble.

When you sell something at a inflated rate and keep on doing it and in the process show the customers some profits in numbers , you are creating a bubble which will burst after some time since the asset values do not match the inflated prices of the market.

Is there any proof backup the claim of GDP manipulation? Like solid numbers?
 
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But...but...but...it's Sputnik...that bastion of honest journalism!

Would their good friend throw them under the bus?
Who cares.After all,Russian surely have their own propaganda.I am sure that russians are envy about the successes Chinese have made these years.
 
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Is there any proof backup the claim of GDP manipulation? Like solid numbers?
So far only India has manipulated GDP. In today's world how can u fudge a significant portion of GDP unless you are Modi. One side say they exported 400b, the other side will show import of 400b more or less.

I guess the Indian meant China manipulate GDP number to understate their GDP I would believe that more so than overestimate GDP. Overestimating anything in life is an Indian trait, not Chinese.

Is there any proof backup the claim of GDP manipulation? Like solid numbers?
He might quote you some indian blog or fancy.economics.-lol-thetruthAboutChinGrowth.in
 
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