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Quite a few? Only two pairs. In nearly 230 years. I think the rest of your argument fall apart when you consider that the democratic process has worked in USA to deliver a superpower that serves a majority of its citizens rather well. Can you say the same for South Asia?

I am great admirer of American political system. Heck the constitution and bill of rights are now old enough to be respected on the same level as some of the newer "divine documents". hahaha.

Having said that, American political ALMOST fell apart some 100 years after it was created. it survived only when HUGE numbers of young men died, and south was allowed to bring back the draconian laws.

Even now, Americans would be in deep deep deep $hyte if uncle Sam was not allowed to go to his basement and print money when needed.

Think about this. you sleep all day. When you want to go buy a car, your gran pa goes to the basement, prints $40,000+, gives them to you, and you go by a brand spanking new BMW. This is how poor german worked for your totally free. OK not totally free. There was some cost involved in the material and printing of dollars.

Bottom line:

1. Do not ignore the history
2. Do not ignore the power of printing your own money that is accepted by the whole world.

so you can predict the future now? :what: considering Imran is something out of the blue i really find it Doubtful

Look at the trends and you can predict to some degree.
 
Quite a few? Only two pairs. In nearly 230 years. I think the rest of your argument fall apart when you consider that the democratic process has worked in USA to deliver a superpower that serves a majority of its citizens rather well. Can you say the same for South Asia?

I meant quite a few political families. BTW if you include the Roosevelts (grandson), that's three. But there have been many other families with multiple governors, senators and other important posts. A president in the USA is directly elected, and so the chances for a son to succeed the father shouldn't be as big as in a system where a political party nominates the PM, and political parties can be controlled by families. But many families have been very powerful and influential in US politics at all levels. The mayors of Chicago, the Daleys for example.

The next part of your statement is rather weird. True, India is not a superpower and the US is. But that is not because of political dynasties, there are a million reasons for that. This is like some Pakistanis who enter any Indian military related thread and say "oh but there is poverty in India". Well, duh.

In that case there are many countries where children have not succeeded their parents as rulers, and yet the country is not a superpower. I will make a wild guess and say that such countries outneumber the number of superpowers.:P See how that's a non sequiter?
 
I am great admirer of American political system. Heck the constitution and bill of rights are now old enough to be respected on the same level as some of the newer "divine documents". hahaha.

Having said that, American political ALMOST fell apart some 100 years after it was created. it survived only when HUGE numbers of young men died, and south was allowed to bring back the draconian laws.

Even now, Americans would be in deep deep deep $hyte if uncle Sam was not allowed to go to his basement and print money when needed.

Think about this. you sleep all day. When you want to go buy a car, your gran pa goes to the basement, prints $40,000+, gives them to you, and you go by a brand spanking new BMW. This is how poor german worked for your totally free. OK not totally free. There was some cost involved in the material and printing of dollars.

Bottom line:

1. Do not ignore the history
2. Do not ignore the power of printing your own money that is accepted by the whole world.



Look at the trends and you can predict to some degree.


The important thing to keep in mind is that a LOT of hard work and management and democracy and creativity goes into making the superpower that has the right to print the reserve currency. The currency follows the power, not the other way around, Sir.
 
I am great admirer of American political system. Heck the constitution and bill of rights are now old enough to be respected on the same level as some of the newer "divine documents". hahaha.

Having said that, American political ALMOST fell apart some 100 years after it was created. it survived only when HUGE numbers of young men died, and south was allowed to bring back the draconian laws.

Even now, Americans would be in deep deep deep $hyte if uncle Sam was not allowed to go to his basement and print money when needed.

Think about this. you sleep all day. When you want to go buy a car, your gran pa goes to the basement, prints $40,000+, gives them to you, and you go by a brand spanking new BMW. This is how poor german worked for your totally free. OK not totally free. There was some cost involved in the material and printing of dollars.

Bottom line:

1. Do not ignore the history
2. Do not ignore the power of printing your own money that is accepted by the whole world.



Look at the trends and you can predict to some degree.

Imran khan is not like the status quo or atleast has come out against it, so its only your opinion...its a pretty far fetched thing to say..
 
I meant quite a few political families. BTW if you include the Roosevelts (grandson), that's three. But there have been many other families with multiple governors, senators and other important posts. A president in the USA is directly elected, and so the chances for a son to succeed the father shouldn't be as big as in a system where a political party nominates the PM, and political parties can be controlled by families. But many families have been very powerful and influential in US politics at all levels. The mayors of Chicago, the Daleys for example.

The next part of your statement is rather weird. True, India is not a superpower and the US is. But that is not because of political dynasties, there are a million reasons for that. This is like some Pakistanis who enter any Indian military related thread and say "oh but there is poverty in India". Well, duh.

In that case there are many countries where children have not succeeded their parents as rulers, and yet the country is not a superpower. I will make a wild guess and say that such countries outneumber the number of superpowers.:P See how that's a non sequiter?

For starters, Presidents in USA are NOT directly elected. The Electoral College elects the President, formally.
 
All new guys are against status quo, until they themselves become status. hahaha.

Yea but all past guys were born thanks to the status quo and establishment remember Bhutto and Nawaz? while Imran Khan wasn't launched by any one but himself so again i highly doubt it will happen.
 
For starters, Presidents in USA are NOT directly elected. The Electoral College elects the President, formally.

Oh come on, without going into the details of how presidents are eleccted, the point there was that he is not nominated by the largest party in parliament/senate. The people (and the electoral college, yes) elect him. But others running for elections on a party ticket often have a better chance of getting the party ticket if their families are influential in the party. That's the point. And in India, that is enough for a person to become PM.

Also note that I wasn't criticizing the US system - I was pointing out that nepotism in political parties exist there too. And that argument of mine doesn't "fall apart" as you claimed just because US is rich or has many aicraft carriers and military bases across the globe. Those are completely tangential to the point.

I was also saying that anybody in India, to become an MP, has to be elected by people, same as in USA. But who runs for elections on a major party ticket is determined by that political party, and that is where nepotism comes into the picture. I don't see how superpower or poverty is relevant.

In short, my point was not about Indian v/s American system, as you seem to have thought, judging by your eagerness to come to the American system's defence unnecessarily. The point is that we are lucky to have the political freedom to choose our representatives, unlike many other places.
 
Oh come on, without going into the details of how presidents are eleccted, the point there was that he is not nominated by the largest party in parliament/senate. The people (and the electoral college, yes) elect him. But others running for elections on a party ticket often have a better chance of getting the party ticket if their families are influential in the party. That's the point. And in India, that is enough for a person to become PM.

Also note that I wasn't criticizing the US system - I was pointing out that nepotism in political parties exist there too. And that argument of mine doesn't "fall apart" as you claimed just because US is rich or has many aicraft carriers and military bases across the globe. Those are completely tangential to the point.

I was also saying that anybody in India, to become an MP, has to be elected by people, same as in USA. But who runs for elections on a major party ticket is determined by that political party, and that is where nepotism comes into the picture. I don't see how superpower or poverty is relevant.

In short, my point was not about Indian v/s American system, as you seem to have thought, judging by your eagerness to come to the American system's defence unnecessarily. The point is that we are lucky to have the political freedom to choose our representatives, unlike many other places.

But the point being discussed is not the freedom to elect or even a comparison, it is the dynastic nature of the choices available to the people of South Asia.
 
But the point being discussed is not the freedom to elect or even a comparison, it is the dynastic nature of the choices available to the people of South Asia.
And that is precisely why I mentioned the USA. There are many dynastic families in politics at all levels. Senators, house reps, governors, mayors, state reps, even sherrifs and judges.

So why blame south asia when some countries have no choice at all, dynastic or otherwise, to elect their rulers?

Heck, wikipedia has an entire category devoted to the names of American political families! And each letter of the alphabet has a list of political families!

Category: Political families of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Category:Lists of United States political families - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
HowStuffWorks "Top 10 American Political Dynasties"

That's the nature of influence in politics. But ultimately, it is the citizenry that sends somebody to be their representative.

@Syed.Ali.Haider
 
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All new guys are against status quo, until they themselves become status. hahaha.
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^ you did not get the post lol

yes after typing for so long i realized what it was actually...but anyways can you very the source? is his son contesting as a PTI member or as an independent? pretty sure as they have given resignations from all assemblies except KPK there is NO need to contest from Multan for a PTI candidate..
 
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