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This is the best solution. Because Independent Kashmir will have either influence of India or Pakistan. So Actually it does not exists.

Hence this is the best solution. The demographic changes have happened in AJK, there is no doubt. Yes, you cannot buy land or property. But demographic change is a different issue.

There is this very funny comment on Socialism/Communism,"If you distribute all the World's wealth equally among all the people, the World will get back to square one within 24 hours".:lol:

Yes, that's what will happen. There has been the likes of Akbar Khan and Papa Bhutto and Musharraf on one hand and Nehru and V.P.Menon on the other. Why do you think the situations will be any different this time ?
 
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There is this very funny comment on Socialism/Communism,"If you distribute all the World's wealth equally among all the people, the World will get back to square one within 24 hours".:lol:

Yes, that's what will happen. There has been the likes of Akbar Khan and Papa Bhutto and Musharraf on one hand and Nehru and V.P.Menon on the other. Why do you think the situations will be any different this time ?

This will allow plebiscite at least ;)
 
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Nahi non state actors is used in a diff sense from what i know.they are the civilians who challenge the state's authority,acha iwill recheck the broader meaning of it.

Non-state actors refer to those people who cannot be traced back to any government. They don't owe any allegiance to any country and nor do they take orders - this is what is officially claimed. In reality they are expendables who can be disowned by their home government when things go wrong. Such people are usually undercover agents (mind you not all intelligence officials are undercover agents) and special forces operatives.
 
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The year 1948 and Nehru were India's mis-fortunes. I wished Sardar Patel would have lived longer and Nehru died sooner.

This stupid Nehru went to UN even though we had upper hand in 1948 and messed with Chinese with forward posts.

Anyways Kashmir is an Integral part of India and Pakistanis can cry for plebiscite for all its existence!
 
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Demographic changes must be allowed.

I think you are trying to mean political boundary change. Demographic change means, changing the race or inhabitants of a region, something that Pakistan accuses India of, something that India has laws against in the form of Article 370.

Lets take a leaf from Israel and have "demographic change" in the valley. Lets flood the valley with patriotic Indians who will rather slit their throats then vote for pakistan. then lets have a plebiscite
 
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Lets take a leaf from Israel and have "demographic change" in the valley. Lets flood the valley with patriotic Indians who will rather slit their throats then vote for pakistan. then lets have a plebiscite
The pro-Pakistani movements inside Kashmir died long time ago. The Kashmiri freedom struggle is led by 80 year old leader, no other young leader after that. There will be a more favourable time to remove Article 370, should wait until then.
 
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This will allow plebiscite at least ;)

Hum what else can you think for yourself. You can cry as much as you want.... I don't think any Indian government is interested in plebiscite...

For your signature, This is India's answer!

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Lets take a leaf from Israel and have "demographic change" in the valley. Lets flood the valley with patriotic Indians who will rather slit their throats then vote for pakistan. then lets have a plebiscite

demographic change applies to respective territories under admin of Pak and Ind by their respective citizens. And if there is any Infiltration, it's upto you what you have been doing till now with them. :)
 
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1. While the Governor General was Jinnah in Pak and Mountbatten in India - the head of State of both dominions was the Queen. The head of both armies - were Brits who were reluctant to go to War with each other. Technically, the Queen would have been at war with herself :)

2. Britain had extremely good and cordial relations with the biggest of Princely States - like Hyderabad and Kashmir. The Indian Independence Act passed by the British and agreed to by the Congress and Muslim League gave the Princely States the option of remaining independent.

3. Kashmir chose to remain independent. As it is Hari Singh like most Indian royals regarded Nehru as a socialist moron. So, if Pakistan has not jumped the gun and sent in these tribals; Hari Singh might have integrated with Pakistan of his own accord or perhaps the internal mechanisms of Kashmir would have forced him to. Unfortunately for Pakistan, Hari Singh was left with little choice but to sign the Treaty of Accession with India once Pak sent those tribals in. I might be wrong - but I think they were Army regulars as well as tribesmen - I had read that - but currently I don't have a source.
 
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Hum what else can you think for yourself. You can cry as much as you want.... I don't think any Indian government is interested in plebiscite...

For your signature, This is India's answer!

incredible-india-muslim-couple-lord-krishna.jpg


Did you even read what I posted?
 
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1. While the Governor General was Jinnah in Pak and Mountbatten in India - the head of State of both dominions was the Queen. The head of both armies - were Brits who were reluctant to go to War with each other. Technically, the Queen would have been at war with herself :)

2. Britain had extremely good and cordial relations with the biggest of Princely States - like Hyderabad and Kashmir. The Indian Independence Act passed by the British and agreed to by the Congress and Muslim League gave the Princely States the option of remaining independent.

3. Kashmir chose to remain independent. As it is Hari Singh like most Indian royals regarded Nehru as a socialist moron. So, if Pakistan has not jumped the gun and sent in these tribals; Hari Singh might have integrated with Pakistan of his own accord or perhaps the internal mechanisms of Kashmir would have forced him to. Unfortunately for Pakistan, Hari Singh was left with little choice but to sign the Treaty of Accession with India once Pak sent those tribals in. I might be wrong - but I think they were Army regulars as well as tribesmen - I had read that - but currently I don't have a source.

You pretty much summarized it. Some army officers were there to lead the militia.
 
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When Clement Attlee's Labour party came to power in war devastated Britain in 1945, he accelerated the process of end of British rule in India. Subsequently in June 1947, the Government of India Act, 1947 was promulgated, calling for creation of two independent nations, India and Pakistan, one secular and the other for religion. Now there were two kinds of territories, those under direct British rule and more than 560 princely states, under the rule of Indian princes, comprising of 41 % of total landmass. Sizes varied from as big as France, as for example Hyderabad and Kashmir to as small as a village.

Now, the princes of those bigger states were in no hurry to join India or Pakistan, for that matter most of them chose to stay independent, while the British tried to pursue them to join any dominion. As for example Hyderabad and Kashmir, while the Nawab of Junagadh decided to flee to Pakistan, leaving behind his state matters to his court official.

The most challenging of them all was of course, Kashmir, divided mainly into four parts, the Hindu majority Jammu bordering Punjab, Kashmir valley with Muslim majority, the valley of Ladakh populated largely by the Buddhists and the territories of Gilgit and Baltistan to the west. The last region was also populated by the Muslims, but they were mainly Ismailis, rather than Sunni Muslims, a sect that was declared to be non-Muslim by Pakistan.

Kashmir's rule at that time was Maharaja Hari Singh, who literally loathed the Congress party in general and Nehru in particular, mainly because he feared the land-reforms that Nehru had plans for. Mountbatten had suggested the Maharaja, not to act in haste. While the Maharaja's indecisiveness irked the Indian leaders, his own decisions made the situation far more complex than it already was.
After World War 2, around 60,000 veterans from Poonch only to find they were no longer subjects of Maharaja of Poonch but rather the Maharaja of Kashmir, who imposed high taxes upon them. These war veterans, who were largely Muslims, and all worked up by the recent spurt of communal violence in Punjab, held a public rally in August 1947, and demanded to join Pakistan.The Maharaja dispatched his dogra troops who irresponsibly opened fire in a rather peaceful rally. As a result, some of them went into hiding and some fled to Pakistan; one among them was Sardar Mohammad Ibrahim Khan, lawyer by profession and member of state assembly. He met Colonel Akbar Khan of Pakistani Army and sought help to liberate Kashmir by force. Till this time, both Indian and Pakistani government were in indecisive state.
An enthusiastic Khan, who was the director of weapons and equipment at General Headquarters in Rawalpindi, decided to take the matters in his own hands and not inform Pakistani army chief British General Sir Frank Messervy because Messervy may have communicated that to the Indian Army Chief. Perhaps the Pakistani Army's habit of acting autonomously, without the involvement of civilian authority, started back then.

Some words eventually reached Prime Minister Liaquat Ali Khan and Sardar Shaukat Hayat Khan, a minister in the Punjab government, but the Pakistani Army Chief and Jinnah himself were still out of the loop. A military thrust was planned, with the objective of deposing Maharaja Hari Singh and taking Kashmir by force. It was assumed that disposed veterans and other Muslims from Poonch and Kashmir valley will join the uprising. The overall plan was characterized by amateur enthusiasm, lack off operational experience and inability to foresee the immediate enemy reaction and it's after effects.

One will find striking similarities in these schemes of 1948, 1965 and 1999. All had some over-enthusiastic and somewhat out-of-control military officer/political leader planning for taking the region by military,characterized by lack of coordination/communication, with the assumption that locals will support them and in all cases, the enemies response and it's effects on regional as well international scale was grossly miscalculated.

By October,1947, hardly a few months since independence the elements within the Pakistani army were convinced that Maharaja Hari Singh's indecisiveness is in essence his reluctance to join Pakistan and the situation has reached a critical stage already!
Under Col. Akbar Khan's command, Khurshid Anwar, Cmdr. Muslim League National Guards, Khan Abdul Qayyum Khan, the minister from NWFP and Khwaja Rahim, the commissioner of Rawalpindi, put together a force of around 2000 tribesmen from NWFP and tribal areas. They crossed into Kashmir through Jhelum Valley on October 23 early morning.
The following evening, Nehru became aware of the situation and discussed informed Mountbatten. This is the point of catastrophic mistake by Pakistan. Given the course of time and how things were developing, Kashmir probably would have gone to Pakistan only. But then, someone decided to jump the gun.
Maharaja Hari Singh panicked. He took it as an invasive attack by Pakistan and asked for help from India. India decided to fight only if the attack was against Indian sovereignty. Hence Hari Singh decided to accede to India and signed the instrument on October 26 and Indian troops landed on Srinagar airport shortly. By that time, the militia had already reached outskirts of Srinagar, quite close to the airport.

When Indian forces reached Srinagar, it was then that Jinnah came into action. He ordered Pakistani acting Army Chief General Douglas Gracey(Messervy was on leave) to march on Srinagar, which, he refused. Field Marshal Auchinleck, the supreme Commander of all British forces in India ordered all British officers to stand down and a limited war continued, till Nehru sought UN intervention. After negotiations, a ceasefire was arranged, in effect from 31 December, 1948.


There, that was the reason that this enterprise did not succeed fully.
 
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a sect that was declared to be non-Muslim by Pakistan.
No its not declared as non-Muslim, dont confuse urself
An enthusiastic Khan, who was the director of weapons and equipment at General Headquarters in Rawalpindi, decided to take the matters in his own hands and not inform Pakistani army chief British General Sir Frank Messervy because Messervy may have communicated that to the Indian Army Chief. Perhaps the Pakistani Army's habit of acting autonomously, without the involvement of civilian authority, started back then.
while ur next quote tells something different
He ordered Pakistani acting Army Chief General Douglas Gracey(Messervy was on leave) to march on Srinagar, which, he refused
These British Army officers would have been court marshalled on their refusal to accept orders from civilian govt. heck
 
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