Someone is making a banned chemical that destroys the ozone layer, scientists suspect

[Shamsher1990]

why use Google when you can search on the actual site? keep clicking the pictures you will find no actual R11 being offered on alibaba.com, by Google search the only thing you can prove is those pics exist on Ali's image server. mind you, the English version of alibaba is an international platform, and I don't see any Chinese characters on those steel cylinders

also did a search on the domestic Ali still no R11 is listed
https://p4psearch.1688.com/p4p114/p...33282861&spm=a2609.11209760.j3f8podl.e5rt432e

The reason I used google instead of actual site is because alibaba has scrubbed these images from their site AFTER this report came out. Google still keeps this in its index so I can still find it on google. It seems somewhere in April 2018, Alibaba realizing the trouble scrubbed its website of the troublesome listings. This was highlighed by investigation done by EAI.

Now since you are being so particular lemme show you very particular result. Watch and enjoy.

https://webcache.googleusercontent....Gas_Cold_media.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

even if I could take words from a UK based NGO, I didn't see anything more than partial evidences of illegal production, which is frankly beyond my ability to either confirm or deny. if such illegal chemical plants exist then all I can say is it's total shame and the government should crackdown on them hard, as they are no different than meth labs

It was just not produced, it was being sold on Alibaba as well.
And yes, it was illegal or rather it should have been illegal. It seems laws were not enforced properly in China. Which was the entire point of the debate, China for business gains seems to look the other way when enforcing laws.

but if you really lived in Australia like your flag suggests you would know how the price of iron ore plummeted after 2008 and how quickly it bounced back thanks to China's demand, created by the stimulus package.

You seems to miss the basic point here. Point is, China didn't do all that out of her 'generosity' but rather gain. Business it seldom lose-win or win-lose situation, it is often win-win. China did this because it had something to gain, ie to keep her factories humming and people employed. World economy was not the reason, it was slow down of her own economy which forced China to do the massive spending it did in 2008.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

https://www.epa.gov/ozone-layer-protection/health-and-environmental-effects-ozone-layer-depletion

bhai, the environment is very precarious, small changes can have big impact.

We’re all going to die because Chinese companies are so interested in making a quick buck they will use any subterfuge possible to keep their production alive.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

The reason I used google instead of actual site is because alibaba has scrubbed these images from their site AFTER this report came out. Google still keeps this in its index so I can still find it on google. It seems somewhere in April 2018, Alibaba realizing the trouble scrubbed its website of the troublesome listings. This was highlighed by investigation done by EAI.

Now since you are being so particular lemme show you very particular result. Watch and enjoy.

https://webcache.googleusercontent....Gas_Cold_media.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca


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It was just not produced, it was being sold on Alibaba as well.
And yes, it was illegal or rather it should have been illegal. It seems laws were not enforced properly in China. Which was the entire point of the debate, China for business gains seems to look the other way when enforcing laws.


You seems to miss the basic point here. Point is, China didn't do all that out of her 'generosity' but rather gain. Business it seldom lose-win or win-lose situation, it is often win-win. China did this because it had something to gain, ie to keep her factories humming and people employed. World economy was not the reason, it was slow down of her own economy which forced China to do the massive spending it did in 2008.

sorry, a catched page is still hard to prove anything, it especially smells fishy to me since the CAS No is referring to a different chemical compound
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isobutane

even if the page did exist and later was taken down, only shows Ali is making an effort to censor and regulate its listings, while on the other hand some American companies are still making and selling R11 on ebay like hot cakes

https://www.ebay.com/itm/R11-Refrig...041614?hash=item4ad4755e8e:g:Rv0AAOxyCepSbbiU

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Isotron-R1...270766?hash=item41e4122d6e:g:SroAAOSwVK9bGYuE

https://www.ebay.com/itm/R11-Refrig...854987?hash=item1cac6c2d8b:g:AOcAAOSw8zNbC6~d

looks like the EAI should extend their “investigations”

We’re all going to die because Chinese companies are so interested in making a quick buck they will use any subterfuge possible to keep their production alive.

Oh I wouldn't worry about that you'd probably die by some machete wielding amigos long before you get in touch with any made in China chemicals

 

[Hack-Hook]

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong on many level.

No problem only folks who run around naked are getting cancer just wear sun tan lotion

 

[Shamsher1990]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/R11-Refrig...041614?hash=item4ad4755e8e:g:Rv0AAOxyCepSbbiU

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Isotron-R1...270766?hash=item41e4122d6e:g:SroAAOSwVK9bGYuE

https://www.ebay.com/itm/R11-Refrig...854987?hash=item1cac6c2d8b:g:AOcAAOSw8zNbC6~d

All of these are old stocks. First is reclaimed. Second is old and used container. Third is old container from a storage.

Unlike them Chinese companies are manufacturing and selling. look at the description. It says 1000 per week. Thats more of a manufacturing capacity. China is breaking its obligation on CFCs.