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Someone is making a banned chemical that destroys the ozone layer, scientists suspect

I'd say the time line is consistent with the great construction boom during 2009-2013, which was the result of premier Wen's “4 trillion stimulus package” after the global meltdown. very likely the emission came from tearing down old buildings,which was... almost everywhere in China. I can still remember how bad air quality was during that time when the whole country was pretty much a huge construction site.

In conclusion: a side effect of China bailing out the world economy after the Americans fvck up in 2008.. Just be glad it is over.:-)
China is a net exporter economy, that 4 trillion yuan was to keep Chinese economy from tanking given slow down in world economy. China saved her own economy, not exactly world economy.

Also, according to the article Chinese are still using CFC-11 massively. And Chinese construction boom is causing rise in CFC-11 usage.
 
China is a net exporter economy, that 4 trillion yuan was to keep Chinese economy from tanking given slow down in world economy. China saved her own economy, not exactly world economy.
China was basically putting the US economy on life support by buying over 100b US bonds over the first 9 months of 2008, while everyone else seemed to be dumping them.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/18/AR2008111803558.html?noredirect=on
Now, in bad times, China is effectively co-financing the $1 trillion annual U.S. deficit and massive government bailout of the financial system.
I just hope there won't be a next time as the Americans turned out to be an ungrateful bunch:rolleyes:

Also, according to the article Chinese are still using CFC-11 massively.
It's an obsolete chemical. No one is making it, no one is using it. It simply makes no sense as there are many better and cheaper alternatives. Only some similar chemicals are still in production for making foam insulation used in buildings, phasing them out is still part of an ongoing global effort
http://blogs.worldbank.org/climatec...ne-damaging-chemicals-brings-climate-benefits
but the article specifically says CFC-11 so I don't think it's relevant.

Only place the CFC-11 can come from, is 送么older AC units like these. I used to see plenty of them lying around in rubbles of demolished buildings, some were scavenged, most were not.. so when I first read the article, I didn't even have to take a guess.
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China was basically putting the US economy on life support by buying over 100b US bonds over the first 9 months of 2008, while everyone else seemed to be dumping them.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/18/AR2008111803558.html?noredirect=on
The reasons for China to go on a buying spree of US dollars were less than altruistic. It was to depreciate her own currency. Sale of dollar bonds would have lowered the dollar prices and that would have hurt Chinese exports more back then.

It's an obsolete chemical. No one is making it, no one is using it. It simply makes no sense as there are many better and cheaper alternatives. Only some similar chemicals are still in production for making foam insulation used in buildings, phasing them out is still part of an ongoing global effort
http://blogs.worldbank.org/climatec...ne-damaging-chemicals-brings-climate-benefits
but the article specifically says CFC-11 so I don't think it's relevant.

Only place the CFC-11 can come from, is 送么older AC units like these. I used to see plenty of them lying around in rubbles of demolished buildings, some were scavenged, most were not.. so when I first read the article, I didn't even have to take a guess.

You are wrong!

Read this

https://drive.google.com/viewerng/v...l.org/wp-content/uploads/Blowing-It-final.pdf

Or better, lets try it ourselves, shall we?

Open this link.

https://www.google.ca/search?biw=2560&bih=1335&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=RXVEW93SE7iv0PEPn5m58Aw&q=r11+refrigerant+gas+cold+media+site:alibaba.com&oq=r11+refrigerant+gas+cold+media+site:alibaba.com&gs_l=img.3...4362.12279.0.12556.33.25.8.0.0.0.38.688.25.25.0....0...1c.1.64.img..0.0.0....0.oozzlbav-wg

Also, You can find these results by searching in google

r11 refrigerant gas cold media site:alibaba.com

and click the image section.

Essentially it searches any images tagged with R11 refrigerant on the domain alibaba.com .

on google. Results are pretty damning!

Enjoy!

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@El Sidd

Still believe China is not behind this?
 
India faces tariff hikes and sanctions due to utter negligence which has caused irreversible damage to the Ozone.
 
https://arstechnica.com/science/201...gue-ozone-depleting-pollution-in-china/?amp=1

Sources of banned CFCs found through their advertising

A couple months ago, an atmospheric study revealed that someone had started producing an ozone-depleting pollutant that had been banned under an international agreement to protect the ozone layer. The new source was preventing the chemical from dissipating on schedule. Although the researchers were careful about what they could conclude from regional measurements, they found that eastern Asia was likely the source.

Now, a UK-based NGO called the Environmental Investigation Agency (EIA) says that it has uncovered a number of Chinese companies that are responsible. If you’re expecting an elaborate infiltration and undercover sting... adjust your expectations. The investigation seems to have been shockingly easy, with the culprits’ representatives strangely amenable to detailing their illegal operations.


Mystery solved through Google
The EIA started with a simple Internet search, which turned up a few companies that were apparently advertising sales of the banned chemical, known as CFC-11. Like other CFCs, 11 can be used as a refrigerant or a propellant in aerosol spray cans. But it was also widely use to “inflate” foam insulation, and that seems to be the market where at least some of its illicit use has continued.

The EIA team contacted 25 companies that manufacture foam insulation or the chemical mixtures used in the process. Of those, 21 responded, and 18 said they use CFC-11. (It’s not clear how the EIA team represented its inquiries.) In fact, the companies indicated that they thought just about everyone in their industry was using it except for the largest and most accountable companies that might handle about 10 percent of total production.

Some companies were unwilling to name their suppliers—though they said the suppliers moved frequently to avoid scrutiny. But eight sellers or producers of CFC-11 are identified in the EIA report. These companies, too, seemed almost eager to spill the beans and explain that they made very little of the legal alternative to CFC-11. One company described its habit of shutting down production whenever government inspectors came around thanks to a heads-up.

Export
While much of the CFC-11 is being sold to Chinese foam manufacturers, some of the mix used to puff up the foam is being exported. More than one company explained how they got this illegal product through customs: because it’s in a mix, it’s difficult to test, so they simply label it as containing the legal alternative.

The EIA report says one representative responded, “Do you know how we deal with strict export custom inspection? We get those big lumber core boards, build up a container for four barrels of [white agent], and seal it carefully. Nobody at the custom would open it up. Seriously, how can anyone do inspections on that? We also spread putty on those containers to make it really messy.”

Why all this effort to keep using an illegal pollutant? It’s easier to produce and therefore considerably cheaper, for one. The foam manufacturers also feel it performs better than the most widely-available alternative, which is itself being phased out. Other alternatives can require equipment changes, driving up the cost even more.

A 2016 report from Shandong officials discussed the difficult of curbing illegal CFC-11 production in the foam industry, so there is evidence beyond EIA’s report. Its findings will likely result in increased international pressure on China to crack down—and unwelcome pressure on the companies that were named.
 
The reasons for China to go on a buying spree of US dollars were less than altruistic. It was to depreciate her own currency. Sale of dollar bonds would have lowered the dollar prices and that would have hurt Chinese exports more back then.



You are wrong!

Read this

https://drive.google.com/viewerng/v...l.org/wp-content/uploads/Blowing-It-final.pdf

Or better, lets try it ourselves, shall we?

Open this link.

https://www.google.ca/search?biw=2560&bih=1335&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=RXVEW93SE7iv0PEPn5m58Aw&q=r11+refrigerant+gas+cold+media+site:alibaba.com&oq=r11+refrigerant+gas+cold+media+site:alibaba.com&gs_l=img.3...4362.12279.0.12556.33.25.8.0.0.0.38.688.25.25.0....0...1c.1.64.img..0.0.0....0.oozzlbav-wg

Also, You can find these results by searching in google

r11 refrigerant gas cold media site:alibaba.com

and click the image section.

Essentially it searches any images tagged with R11 refrigerant on the domain alibaba.com .

on google. Results are pretty damning!

Enjoy!

China-Suppliers-For-Sale-Refrigerant-R11-Gas.jpg_220x220.jpg

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refrigerant-r11-gas.jpg_220x220.jpg


@El Sidd

Still believe China is not behind this?
why use Google when you can search on the actual site? keep clicking the pictures you will find no actual R11 being offered on alibaba.com, by Google search the only thing you can prove is those pics exist on Ali's image server. mind you, the English version of alibaba is an international platform, and I don't see any Chinese characters on those steel cylinders:-)

also did a search on the domestic Ali still no R11 is listed
https://p4psearch.1688.com/p4p114/p...33282861&spm=a2609.11209760.j3f8podl.e5rt432e


even if I could take words from a UK based NGO, I didn't see anything more than partial evidences of illegal production, which is frankly beyond my ability to either confirm or deny. if such illegal chemical plants exist then all I can say is it's total shame and the government should crackdown on them hard, as they are no different than meth labs
 
I'd say the time line is consistent with the great construction boom during 2009-2013, which was the result of premier Wen's “4 trillion stimulus package” after the global meltdown. very likely the emission came from tearing down old buildings,which was... almost everywhere in China. I can still remember how bad air quality was during that time when the whole country was pretty much a huge construction site.

In conclusion: a side effect of China bailing out the world economy after the Americans fvck up in 2008.. Just be glad it is over.:-)

You cannot release CFC-11 from demolishing old house. You are not talking about Asbestos, CFC-11 melt in room temperature and it is a denser than air Liquid and only release in the air by heating or compressing it. (Which mean the action of releasing CFC-11 is man-made)

And even if it was from the construction boom, that only bail Chinese out, how building house in China bail the world economy? That I want to know.

China was basically putting the US economy on life support by buying over 100b US bonds over the first 9 months of 2008, while everyone else seemed to be dumping them.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/18/AR2008111803558.html?noredirect=on

I just hope there won't be a next time as the Americans turned out to be an ungrateful bunch:rolleyes:

You know the 2008 financial crisis are in trillions of dollars? What good a 100 billions bond Chinese buy can help the world? It won't dent the crisis.

If you claim Chinese buy 4 trillions bond from the US, then Maybe, but 100 billions is nothing when the debt crisis is in 15 to 20 trillions dollars.
 
You cannot release CFC-11 from demolishing old house. You are not talking about Asbestos, CFC-11 melt in room temperature and it is a denser than air Liquid and only release in the air by heating or compressing it. (Which mean the action of releasing CFC-11 is man-made)

And even if it was from the construction boom, that only bail Chinese out, how building house in China bail the world economy? That I want to know.



You know the 2008 financial crisis are in trillions of dollars? What good a 100 billions bond Chinese buy can help the world? It won't dent the crisis.

If you claim Chinese buy 4 trillions bond from the US, then Maybe, but 100 billions is nothing when the debt crisis is in 15 to 20 trillions dollars.
ever heard of the word “leverage”? doubtful cause you are a well known financial illiterate around here:lol:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/should-xiaomi-be-more-than-twice-as-expensive-as-apple.563479/page-2

not really interested in giving you some lectures right now.. but if you really lived in Australia like your flag suggests you would know how the price of iron ore plummeted after 2008 and how quickly it bounced back thanks to China's demand, created by the stimulus package.

so yea, not only did we bail out the murricans, we saved your sorry asses too:-)
 
ever heard of the word “leverage”? doubtful cause you are a well known financial illiterate around here:lol:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/should-xiaomi-be-more-than-twice-as-expensive-as-apple.563479/page-2

not really interested in giving you some lectures right now.. but if you really lived in Australia like your flag suggests you would know how the price of iron ore plummeted after 2008 and how quickly it bounced back thanks to China's demand, created by the stimulus package.

so yea, not only did we bail out the murricans, we saved your sorry asses too:-)

Leverage for what? The debt in itself is a leverage, I never heard of you can leverage on your leverage.

dude, iron price is still low, and no, Australia export Iron to many country, not just China. By the way, Australian Iron Ore export spike form 2012 to 2014, not from 2009 to 2013 where you "Claim" the stimulate come from China

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https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/exports-of-iron-ore-concentrates

Plus you don't use Iron to build house, you use steel re-bar(which portion of it is Iron), concrete and bricks. And even so, the portion of steel is low in any construction.

And I know I lot about finance than you. Don't worry about that.

As for the thread about Xiaomi IPO. First of all, I already said there I don't remember what was that thread was about, it was a month ago with the previous reply and it was 6:17am, I made a mistake, moved on.

Secondly, Xiaomi is asking for HKD$17 a share, which is roughly 3 times as much as Huawei currently trading, I think either you are blinded or stupid, Xiaomi did not worth that much.
 
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