Some snaps of OplotM & VT4 testing in Pakistan

[bananarepublic]

Why do we need these tanks? Is Al-Khalid insufficient?

Production rate of al Khalid is low and Pakistan has a huge fleet of obsolete MBT to replace .

 

[ptldM3]

I found several pictures of the power pack on 96B. It is not very clear, but we can recognize the eight cylinders. I will try to find better ones.

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According to the interview for the deputy chief commander of power system of 96B, the power of single cylinder on this engine is same like 99A. Due to 99A has a 1500HP twelve cylinder engines. So power of the eight cylinder engine = 1500 * 8 / 12 = 1000 HP.

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Some media report 96B has a 1200/1300 hp engine. I guess they confused the 96B and VT-4. The Export varaint of 96B is VT-2B.

My friend that is not how engines work. You can't just subtract the number of cylinders and make a magic estimate. Engines evolve over time. There are modern vehicles models that have smaller engines with less cyclinders and less displacement then their older predecessors with more cylinders and displacementout but make more power.

T-80s only have 6 cylinders but putout 1200HP while the newer version puts out 1500HP with 6 cyclinders. I have boosted the power in a few of my vehicles and I used simple software and bolt on parts. 1000HP is weak for modern standards especially with how heavy tanks get. So you don't think that Chinese engine engineering are that far behind in engine technology that they can't make an 8 cyclinder engine produce 1200HP?

 

[Dazzler]

Why do we need these tanks? Is Al-Khalid insufficient?

Nope, with Tank factory sitting around 30-40 tanks per year or even less, we cannot churn out enough Al khalids to replace the obsolete fleet of 59s/ 69s in time, we look forward to do that in the next few years. The easy way to do it is to buy an off the shelf advanced solution instead.

 

[clarkgap]

My friend that is not how engines work. You can't just subtract the number of cylinders and make a magic estimate. Engines evolve over time. There are modern vehicles models that have smaller engines with less cyclinders and less displacement then their older predecessors with more cylinders and displacementout but make more power.

T-80s only have 6 cylinders but putout 1200HP while the newer version puts out 1500HP with 6 cyclinders. I have boosted the power in a few of my vehicles and I used simple software and bolt on parts. 1000HP is weak for modern standards especially with how heavy tanks get. So you don't think that Chinese engine engineering are that far behind in engine technology that they can't make an 8 cyclinder engine produce 1200HP?

I posted an interview for the deputy chief commander of power system of 96B. He said 96A use old 150 series engine, and 96B, VT-4 and 99A both use new 150 series engine. They have same "single cylinder power" (单缸功率).

 

[Dazzler]

I never say anything from China is super duper or whatever but it’s more of you making things up that you don’t know and lump them together with inferior stuff. Like your T-72 stabilizer and commander sight of VT-4 which all proves to be fake or make up. Isn’t VT-4 steering more modern and better than even Leopard A5 is boasting? Maybe you didn’t even bother to see the video I posted. Then you give orange while I ask for apple of example of common capabilities of stationery turret stabilizing with chassis making a 360 turn which proves only western tank and VT-4 can matched.

It’s more of you cant accept facts VT-4 is a much better tank than al Khalid 2 and Oplot M

You also seem to have some comprehension problems. I never said VT-4 uses ztz88 sights, i merely mentioned it as an example how China learned to develop night vision devices.

Having said that, China still uses improved copies of many Russian subsystems. I showed you t-72 autoloader at work inside VT-4.

By the way, China learned to use steering wheels in mbts from Ukraine, as they have been using them for a while now.

 

[HannibalBarca]

You also seem to have some comprehension problems. I never said VT-4 uses ztz88 sights, i merely mentioned it as an example how China learned to develop night vision devices.

Having said that, China still uses improved copies of many Russian subsystems. I showed you t-72 autoloader at work inside VT-4.

By the way, China learned to use steering wheels in mbts from Ukraine, as they have been using them for a while now.

Why do you even bother Answering? Ppl with low respect/Arrogant attitude ,when it comes to debate, shouldn't be fed...

 

[Basel]

Sorry, for you low quality post. I dont know where did you get the idea China cant even build a hull quality better than Type 26 hull. Maybe in your dream but not reality. Clearly your poor update of latest Chinese military technology is hampering your judgement. I forgive you .

Reality is bitter and people like you can't bear it.

@Rashid Mahmood please share you knowledge about quality difference between Western hull tech and Chinese hull tech.

 

[volatile]

Forget ToT and discount
Select the one which you think suit you better

Perhaps our Turk members can share the emphasis of Paksitan armed forced on TOT and discounts when dealing with foreign suppliers ,We are not a rich nation but we sure know how to keep in reliable position

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Superior to anything Russia can throw at it? Russia beat China every year in the tank biathlon using T-72B3s while China was using its newest tanks such as Type96B. Some T-72s achieved 100% hits.

What happened to the indian T-90s!

 

[ptldM3]

What happened to the indian T-90s!

It broke down. Possibly because of maintenance issues.

 

[Fieldmarshal]

This is not a recent pic....not from this or last year.
They both failed trials initially...n only the VT 4 returned with improvements n passed trials held last year....oplot is yet to show up with improvements n their r no signs that's it will.

PA is not very keen to induct VT 4 or oplot for that matter.
The production of al Khalid will hit 50 / year this year or early next year.

 

[clarkgap]

You also seem to have some comprehension problems. I never said VT-4 uses ztz88 sights, i merely mentioned it as an example how China learned to develop night vision devices.

Having said that, China still uses improved copies of many Russian subsystems. I showed you t-72 autoloader at work inside VT-4.

By the way, China learned to use steering wheels in mbts from Ukraine, as they have been using them for a while now.

Basically agree. Just add one point, the power pack of VT-4 consist of new 150HP series engine and CH1000 series transmission system. And the hydro-mechanical continuous steering box (I am not sure how to translate it) in CH1000 is different than one on T-84. You can compare their structure and design.

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

Reality is bitter and people like you can't bear it.

@Rashid Mahmood please share you knowledge about quality difference between Western hull tech and Chinese hull tech.

As per my experience, the Chinese ship building has improved many fold over the past 3 decades.

During the 80's we had the Chinese build missile boats (copies of the OSA Class) and some small gun boats, they were really poor in metallurgy as compared to the Western boats.

Then PN acquired the oiler in 1987 and it was a major improvement over the previous ships. It has some issues, but it is still fully operational even after 30 years.

The F22P was almost at par with the ships from the west.

The only issue the Chinese has was spare parts nomenclature as the west had, it was non existent and this was the major cause of the delay in the F22P project. Which was later on improved as PN provided them the system we already had from the US/UK ships.

Now in my opinion, Chinese ship building is at par with the west.

Submarine construction is considered to be the pinnacle of ship building as the hull has to remain submerged all the time and is required to operate under a extreme pressure environment.

I personally have not visited any Chinese subs, but PN contract to acquire 8 of them surely indicates our trust in their quality of ship building.

 

[Dazzler]

This is not a recent pic....not from this or last year.
They both failed trials initially...n only the VT 4 returned with improvements n passed trials held last year....oplot is yet to show up with improvements n their r no signs that's it will.

PA is not very keen to induct VT 4 or oplot for that matter.
The production of al Khalid will hit 50 / year this year or early next year.

Oplot P gearing up to undergo trials in Pakistan.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/paki...-100-oplot-m-main-battle-tanks.492961/page-20

 

[Lasit Borphukan]

The electric magnetic propulsion system already install in Type 096 SSN which western has only so far started on

feeling sorry for your tall claims. the EMP technology is 60 years old and the EMP and its applications for seagoing ships and submarines have been investigated since at least 1958 when Warren Rice filed a patent explaining the technology. your tall claims seems to be based more on the lack /access to information than real knowledge

cheers