Solar power deal in Norway exposed. No investment by Norway goverment as claimed by PMLN

[nForce]

Actually solar power contrary to widely held beliefs, can be potentially harmful to environment. No one talks about what would happen to batteries ? Or the disposing cost. The Cadmium and Nickel and other similar heavy metals used on solar panels if mixed with soil can be carcinogenic. The solar panels still have a very high upfront investment vis.a.vi the power output generated.

The cheaper solar panels also degenerates pretty quickly and needs frequent replacement.

Batteries are used everywhere. Solar power is not the reason. Disposal hazards are mostly the smaller batteries.
For a solar park, you can easily lay down an SOP for maintenance and disposal. It's a solvable problem.

 

[xyxmt]

Solar power deal in Norway exposed. No investment by Norway goverment as claimed by PMLN

Scatec Solar skal bygge solparker i Pakistan -Energi -Hegnar.no

Its deal between Sactec and Nizam Solar. And Norway isnt investing a penny as claimed by PMLN

Government page of Norway saying noting about deal between Pakistan and Norway when asked by media they said its deal between 2 companies source Søk

Copied from Awab Alvi facebook

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So the Solar Panel deal (which I mentioned yesterday) makes it to Dawn. Imagine the desperation to cover-up the deal that the PM office released another picture trying to showcase it as a project sanctioned by the Norwegian Govt - they showed Sharif sitting with the PM of Norway

But funny part is that this picture has NOTHING to do with the 150MW Solar panel deal - this is a picture from a side discussion from the Education summit - How so? the lady sitting next to PM of Norway is Laila Bokhari who is State Secretary on Women and Education to the Norwegian Government ‪#‎Busted‬

The build-own-operate deal is a perfect project laden with abundant cuts and commissions - a higher solar energy tariff means we're all gonna pay through our nose for many many years to come. Scatec Solar, with many others will make millions times over - its easy for Sharif to sign expensive business deals and transfer the burden back to the Pakistani taxpayer's - utterly unintelligent economic solutions for Pakistan

Solar energy for all what it may be worth to the environment is still a First World High-risk energy generation investment, not geared up for an economically struggling third world.

Credit to the source from Norway, helping expose this Sharif fiasco
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when you grow up and cross age 20 and learn things about life, love and pursuit of happiness then you will know that Govts are not in the business of investment specially the western govt. There will be dumb people in govt and in media and on PDF who will report and then there will dumb people who will believe it.

having said that I am totally against Solar energy for now. but I am not in the govt who is being chocked by public for lack of power. Whatever govt does they will have to face it come next election, more bad they do is better for you party so instead of crying you should celebrate it.

 

[Providence]

Batteries are used everywhere. Solar power is not the reason. Disposal hazards are mostly the smaller batteries.
For a solar park, you can easily lay down an SOP for maintenance and disposal. It's a solvable problem.

I know it's solvable. But at what cost ? I dont think firms doing the maintainence work will invest that much. They will surely cut corners to win govt contracts.

 

[cloud_9]

Ni-Cd ? The world has moved on to LI-Ion and Li-S.Not sure why people think Solar is unsustainable for Pakistan?
It's not the Generation side that needs a fix but the distribution side that is responsible for all the fuckery.

 

[nForce]

I know it's solvable. But at what cost ? I dont think firms doing the maintainence work will invest that much. They will surely cut corners to win govt contracts.

That cost is in every core industry. And that urge to cut corners is a universal problem, isn't it. That's why there are regulatory authorities, inspection boards, audits and the omnipresent threat of cancelling the license.

basically you are not saying anything, that is exceptional or unique in case of solar power. Nuclear power, or for that matter fossil fuels are far more hazardous stuff. Interestingly, one has higher probability to develop Cancer working in the Paint industry than in a Nuclear power plant!
A solar park is any day cleaner and less hassle-free than all that.

 

[Providence]

That cost is in every core industry. And that urge to cut corners is a universal problem, isn't it. That's why there are regulatory authorities, inspection boards, audits and the omnipresent threat of cancelling the license.

basically you are not saying anything, that is exceptional or unique in case of solar power. Nuclear power, or for that matter fossil fuels are far more hazardous stuff. Interestingly, one has higher probability to develop Cancer working in the Paint industry than in a Nuclear power plant!
A solar park is any day cleaner and less hassle-free than all that.

Yes but regulatory frameworks are not that comprehensive in pak/ind/sl. So chances of recourse and fines are also less.

 

[nForce]

Yes but regulatory frameworks are not that comprehensive in pak/ind/sl. So chances of recourse and fines are also less.

Exxon is still in the market, isn't it ? Citibank is still doing business.

 

[Death Adder]

I think OP failed to understand the difference between "lie" and how international relation works.
For Example

1. Reham Khan postgraduate degree in Broadcast Journalism is a lie.
2. After 2007 Earth Quake there was a conference in USA named " Friends of Pakistan" they committed more than a Billion Dollars for the rehabilitation and relief works but only few millions dollars arrived.

What NS did is to convince Norway companies to invest in Pakistan in power sector. It doesn't matter, if they do via FDI, public sector or do joint venture with private companies. I hope you understand.
Now tell me honestly this 50MW or 150MW is better or Imran khan's 365 power projects of 0.35 MW.

 

[Providence]

Exxon is still in the market, isn't it ? Citibank is still doing business.

okay and ?

 

[Bouncer]

Actually solar power contrary to widely held beliefs, can be potentially harmful to environment. No one talks about what would happen to batteries ? Or the disposing cost. The Cadmium and Nickel and other similar heavy metals used on solar panels if mixed with soil can be carcinogenic. The solar panels still have a very high upfront investment vis.a.vi the power output generated.

The cheaper solar panels also degenerates pretty quickly and needs frequent replacement.

Plus the carbon and environmental footprint of manufacturing solar panels and batteries.

 

[nForce]

okay and ?

And that does not mean you bring the entire industry to a standstill. You fix the loopholes, make corrections and move on.

Plus the carbon and environmental footprint of manufacturing solar panels and batteries.

That's a stupid argument. Either you ban manufacturing batteries or you don't. You laptop needs batteries, if you are using a desktop then that needs a battery too. Your mobile needs a battery. Shall we stop making them too ?

 

[WishLivePak]

1. No there is a risk and the risk is RETURN on INVESTMENT. Countries dont usually Employ this only because they find any Return on investment they are making for this particular Project as you need so many Acres of Land, Thousands of Solar Panels cost incurred in Installations and then you also have to consider its Life and Yield WRT investment you have made.
2. Its correct that they dont consume Fossil fuel or Natural Resources like other Source of Electricity Generation but they do Require Heavy Maintenance as well and environment is another concern for them because the Rains can effect the Panels as well if they are installed in Wet Region and Sand Storm can Effect it as well if they are Installed in Dry Region.

Now combine High Maintenance cost, Cost of Land, Cost of Panels and Cost of Installations which is Total Investment of a Project and compare it with Total Price of Total Expected MW of Electricity it would Produce before getting Fully Depreciated or become Useless and Scraped. You will get the picture yourself why Solar Plants is not Feasible Investment for Pakistan.

There is some graph on here if you search. The maintainer you speak of is far below the fuel cost. Maintained gets cheaper in long run vs fuel cost.

And again, you never ever invest in high risk. Yes there is risk involved in solar power, but not high risk. The "minor risk" is that new teachnology might come out soon, be cheaper etc etc. But high risk is no, which was my disagreement from start.

We need to open a chanda campaign here on PDF to get you checked for any congenital brain abnormalities..... you never made sense, not once... NEVER......... I challenge anyone OTHER THAN YOU to prove me wrong about you!

Yet here I'm in Canada and getting good grades. So either Canada society as hole has brain abnormalities or it is you who has it. 33m to 1 are the odds.

The odds do speak for themselves. A child does personal attack instead of countering argument.

And that does not mean you bring the entire industry to a standstill. You fix the loopholes, make corrections and move on.


That's a stupid argument. Either you ban manufacturing batteries or you don't. You laptop needs batteries, if you are using a desktop then that needs a battery too. Your mobile needs a battery. Shall we stop making them too ?

Same with oil. Yeah it produces harmful gases, should we stop consuming it? It is fuel that has allowed the world to progress tremendously (other factors too). Can you run machine, build dams, transport fuel without oil?

What we do is raise oil prices so there is less wastage (as in Canada, Norway etc but still not enough). Same we can do personally by using rechargeable batteries instead of use once and when battery is weak throw away.

There is some news that if you use old laptop batteries etc, they can power thousands, if not millions, of bulbs etc. Google if you want.

 

[nForce]

Same with oil. Yeah it produces harmful gases, should we stop consuming it? It is fuel that has allowed the world to progress tremendously (other factors too). Can you run machine, build dams, transport fuel without oil?

What we do is raise oil prices so there is less wastage (as in Canada, Norway etc but still not enough). Same we can do personally by using rechargeable batteries instead of use once and when battery is weak throw away.

There is some news that if you use old laptop batteries etc, they can power thousands, if not millions, of bulbs etc. Google if you want.

Exactly my point there. You have processes to deal with Industrially hazardous materials.

 

[Jango]

I think OP failed to understand the difference between "lie" and how international relation works.
For Example

1. Reham Khan postgraduate degree in Broadcast Journalism is a lie.
2. After 2007 Earth Quake there was a conference in USA named " Friends of Pakistan" they committed more than a Billion Dollars for the rehabilitation and relief works but only few millions dollars arrived.

What NS did is to convince Norway companies to invest in Pakistan in power sector. It doesn't matter, if they do via FDI, public sector or do joint venture with private companies. I hope you understand.
Now tell me honestly this 50MW or 150MW is better or Imran khan's 365 power projects of 0.35 MW.

Quite interested in Pakistani politics for a British!