Sleeping dragon no more: China about to replace US as strongest naval power and Washington is too la

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Right now USN is ahead of PLAAN , USN large Air craft Carrier fleet and Frigates and Destroyers armed with Aegis system is a force to be reckon with, second USN presence in almost all the regions and its bases give them a unique advantage over PLAAN , Chinese Navy right now is at best a Regional Force but USN is a global force . I often say China require more AC and CBG's , Foreign naval Bases and power projection . Its time for them to flex their muscles and come out of this not involving attitude . But even after China has 5-6 AC we still wont be able to determine who will come on top of each other unless both countries goes to a full scale war , which won't happen anytime soon .

So, you reckon Chinese Navy can't sail to Western United States but US Navy can easily sail to Eastern China?

 

[Dante80]

DF-21D was supposed to be a unconvential equalizer for difference in carriers. Its a dud.

Why/how do you describe it as a dud exactly?

 

[BringHarmony]

Lol, I m not interested in mouth war, tell your admirals to try, China dares them.

Who are you Xi Jing Ding? If not, your word does not carry enough weight for any one in US to even bet an eye. Ask your uncle winnie the pooh to declare war and you will get your wish. Sure as hell he will shoot you first, LoL. its China after all.

Why/how do you describe it as a dud exactly?

DF-21D is a MARV which requires satellite guidance to hit a moving target (in theory).
If you take out satellites, its blind and worthless.

 

[Ghost 125]

not so soo

Sleeping dragon no more: China about to replace US as strongest naval power and Washington is too late to stop it
21 Dec, 2019 08:46

FILE PHOTO: Chinese President Xi Jinping meets with representatives of the aircraft carrier unit and the manufacturer at a naval port in Sanya, south China's Hainan Province on December 17, 2019. © Global Look Press / Li Gang

China might soon shift the world naval balance and unseat the US as the modern master of the seas. The process appears to already be under way, and there is little that Washington can do about stopping it.

Visibly shaken by what it has seen on a photo showing just one of China's military shipyards near Shanghai, the business magazine Forbes recently told its readers an alarming story about the "impressive rate" and "vast scale" of Chinese naval modernization.

The shipyard in question indeed appears to be an impressive sight to behold. There, one can see a total of nine newly constructed destroyers lined along the quay and docked in an inner shipyard basin. By contrast, the entire UK Royal Navy has a total of just six similar-class vessels, Forbes notes.

As if it was not enough, the same shipyard is also building China's newest aircraft carrier – the third in a row. The second one, called the Shandong, was commissioned by the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) earlier this week. Designed to carry 36 J-15 fighter jets, it is China's first fully domestically produced carrier.

The one under construction at the Shanghai shipyard is expected to be even bigger and better. In particular, it will have an electromagnetic catapult – just like the US Navy’s newest carrier, USS Gerald R. Ford.

More importantly, this one shipyard is but a sneak peek into China's real capabilities as there are "many yards across China, which are similarly impressive," Forbes warns its readers.

'Good reason' to worry
What might have come as a surprise for Forbes has been occupying the minds of all sorts of analysts for quite some time. The US media and think tanks alike are all united in their concerns about Beijing's growing military power.

In June, the Center for a New American Security (CNAS), a Washington-based think tank, argued that China's industrial and technological capabilities might help it "beat the Americans at their own game" and get an edge in the new arms race.

"The Soviets were never able to match, much less overcome, America's technological superiority. The same may not be true for China," warns the CNAS paper, adding that Beijing "strives to achieve technological parity, and eventually technological dominance."

Similarly, a whole range of media outlets from The Diplomat to the National Interest spared no efforts telling their readers that China's military modernization poses "a challenge" to the US and gives Washington "good reasons" to worry. Harvard Policy Review made a step further and wondered whether Beijing's strategy could put it on a "path to hegemony," eventually admitting that it mostly depends on "how far China is willing to go."

Meanwhile, the RAND Corporation – a premier US military think tank -- showed in its research that China's rapid military development program has already allowed it to drastically close the gap in power and technology, and even to put the US at a disadvantage in certain scenarios.

The think tanks and the media apparently believe it is high time Washington started worrying about losing its military superiority to the Chinese dragon, which seems to be just spreading its wings. But when it comes to naval power, it might already be too late.

'Unprecedented program Americans cannot even dream of'
Beijing has made its naval forces the cornerstone of its military modernization, analysts tell RT. China is actively pursuing the role of a global military power able to project its force to any corner of the earth, and the US may not have the sheer industrial capacity to compete.

China's aircraft carrier Liaoning. © Global Look Press / Zeng Tao
"It is easier for China to increase its fleet numbers as it is the world's biggest shipbuilder. They have immense shipyard capacities, which the US lacks, as its commercial shipbuilding has been thrown into disarray over the past decades," says Vasily Kashin, Far East researcher at the Russian Academy of Sciences.

Political scientist and military expert Aleksandr Khramchikhin, deputy head of the Institute of Political and Military Analysis, described the Chinese navy development program as "totally unprecedented."


One cannot even count all the ships being built there. The modern Chinese program is unrivaled throughout the world and the Americans cannot even dream of such pace.

Khramchikhin believes that Beijing might be able to rival Washington in terms of the sheer fleet size in a decade or so. He particularly noted that China has been able to build frigates, corvettes and even destroyers by the dozen over the past decades.

"Ten years ago, the US had 15 aircraft carriers and China had none. In ten years, they might become even… They have more shipbuilders than the rest of the world together."

Closing the technological gap
One advantage the US would seem certain to hold on to is technological superiority. It could try to curb China's emerging naval might by limiting Beijing's access to modern technologies. That strategy is unlikely to work, the analysts believe, as China already has some cutting-edge technologies it could easily develop further. Besides, it can also approach its strategic partner, Russia.

A nuclear-powered Type 094A Jin-class ballistic missile submarine of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) Navy is seen during a military display in the South China Sea, on April 12, 2018. © Reuters

"They make great technological advances," Kashin says. He points that the Chinese were the second nation in the world to equip their ships with integrated universal weapons systems rivaling America's Aegis – an advanced command and control system using powerful computers and radars to track and guide the vessels’ weapons.

Khramchikhin believes that Chinese naval technologies are already in many ways comparable to those of the US. "When it comes to surface ships, the Chinese already have some of the most advanced technologies."

It is true that some military technologies are difficult to master and take decades to develop. It is particularly relevant in the case of submarines, a field where China is still trailing the US. Here, however, close cooperation between Beijing and Moscow might tip the scales, the analysts believe.

Most recently, Russian President Vladimir Putin told an end-of-the-year press conference in Moscow that Russia will continue to work with China as a "strategic partner" in the field of defense technologies, even though he denied any plans on entering a formal military alliance with Beijing.

"Some joint development projects, sophisticated equipment components… these can all come from Russia," Kashin believes.

Washington might slow Beijing down a bit at some point, but the way things look now, the US doesn't seem to have any credible means to prevent China from becoming the world's next naval superpower in a decade or two.

https://www.rt.com/news/476527-chinese-navy-replace-us-strongest/

not so soon....world has currently 30 Aircraft carriers or amphibious assault ships from which fixed wing VTOL or STOVL aircraft operates...out of 30 the rest of the world operates 10, including 2 each from China, Italy, UK and 1 each from Spain, Russia, India and Thailand....and the rest of 20 are operated by US Navy

 

[beijingwalker]

Who are you Xi Jing Ding? If not, your word does not carry enough weight for any one in US to even bet an eye. Ask your uncle winnie the pooh to declare war and you will get your wish. Sure as hell he will shoot you first, LoL. its China after all.

But who are you? Donald Trump? If China was really such a pushover as you repeatedly claim, why not just come and finish it off instead of constantly cry for China threat which keeps you guyes up at night.

not so soo

I never said very soon, I think it would take 2 decades, but in the seas near China, China doesn't have to be as powerful to beat US.

 

[BringHarmony]

But who are you? Donald Trump? If China was really such a pushover as you repeatedly claim, why not just come and finish it off instead of constantly cry for China threat which keeps you guyes up at night.

I never said, "Call your admirals", you did. I never said "US Dares", you did.

China being pushover is not enough condition for US to enter in a conflict. Hell, US is not even entering in a conflict with Iran right now. Having muscles does not mean you beat everyone on the street. There is a difference between a street thug and a Mafia. US is a mafia, China is a common street thug.

 

[beijingwalker]

I never said, "Call your admirals", you did. I never said "US Dares", you did.

China being pushover is not enough condition for US to enter in a conflict. Hell, US is not even entering in a conflict with Iran right now. Having muscles does not mean you beat everyone on the street.

Because you are talking like an US admiral, taking out all Chinese satelites, bombing all the Chinese coastal assets..that's really a huge talk, why don't you put the money where you mouth is.

 

[BringHarmony]

Because you are talking like an US admiral, taking out all Chinese satelites, bombing all the Chinese coastal assets..that's really a huge talk, why don't you put the money where you mouth is.

I am only telling you what might transpire. LOL!

All of the things that I told you are well with in US capabilities. The entire thread is about capabilities and assets.

When you cann't reply back with arguments, you jumped to dramatics and theatrics. LOL!

 

[beijingwalker]

I am only telling you what might transpire. LOL!

So you are an US admiral and you know what will happen? That sounds really funny, you said Chinese weapon are not tested in a real war, being untested also implies uncertainties, how can you be that sure about what will happen to them?

All of the things that I told you are well with in US capabilities.

Really , are those claims being tested, did you ever take out all Chinese satelites before?

 

[BringHarmony]

So you are an US admiral and you know what will happen? That sounds really funny, you said Chinese weapon are not tested in a real war, being untested also implies uncertainties, how can you be that sure about what will happen for them?

No, I am merely an observer and someone with analytical mindset.

As far as weapons go, tested weapons are always better than untested ones. Plus I only pointed at a particular weapon. DF21-D. Which is a bit too "out there". Its MARV for sure, and MARV with satellite guidance. So its not too hard to see how it can be completely countered. Its a dud.

Really , are those claims being tested, did you ever take out all Chinese satelites before?

Let me put it in this way. Has US taken out ANY satellite ever? YES!
Has DF-21D hit a moving target on seas ever? NO!

So which is more likely to happen or a known capability? US taking out sats to ensure safety of US fleet or China hitting a moving vessel in the sea?

My take is US can take out sats. They only have to scale. And they have more than one ways.

China? Nope!

 

[beijingwalker]

No, I am merely an observer and someone with analytical mindset.

As far as weapons go, tested weapons are always better than untested ones. Plus I only pointed at a particular weapon. DF21-D. Which is a bit too "out there". Its MARV for sure, and MARV with satellite guidance. So its not too hard to see how it can be completely countered. Its a dud.

China is not as stupid as what you believe to spend billions on a dud, everyone can make claims, your claims are not better than other claims.

Let me put it in this way. Has US taken out ANY satellite ever? YES!

So did China.

Has DF-21D hit a moving target on seas ever? NO!

Nobody knows, but China surely wouldn't spend billions to make an exhibit. One day we will find out.

 

[BringHarmony]

So did China.

I didn't deny that. But Taking out US sats (not all are in range of Chinese weapons) can stop US navy. F-35s will still be able to strike Chinese naval vessels and coastal defence. And finally Chinese cities.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

So, you reckon Chinese Navy can't sail to Western United States but US Navy can easily sail to Eastern China?

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he is right becos the us has bases all over the pacific, while china has zero- for now.

 

[beijingwalker]

I didn't deny that. But Taking out US sats (not all are in range of Chinese weapons) can stop US navy. F-35s will still be able to strike Chinese naval vessels and coastal defence. And finally Chinese cities.

China also claims her new radar can track F-35s, so no one really knows, don't take what you believe for granted, that's what I want to say.

 

[Dante80]

DF-21D is a MARV which requires satellite guidance to hit a moving target (in theory).
If you take out satellites, its blind and worthless.

"Taking out" SAR and optical SSO constellations in a theater specific setting is not a trivial proposition, you do know that right? Not to mention the fact that in a conventional war scenario the US would probably not even want to go there for obvious reasons (collisional cascading, even larger dependence on space assets and substandard QR capabilities).

Even if the assertion is correct though, you are talking about one possible aspect of mid-course guidance. In theory, the AShBM systems China fields can also use OTH and CEC sources for that, and of course have built in radar and optical terminal guidance.

Taking a look at the literature for the subject at hand will show you that the whole thing is a lot more than a dud, as far as deterrence is concerned.