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Minister Manmohan Singh will visit Pakistan in March, after the parliament's budget session and before the general elections expected in April, The Business Standard reported on Tuesday.



“It is learnt the visit will take place most probably in March, after the budget session of parliament, yet at least a month before elections,” the paper said.

It said the proposed move appears to be Dr Singh's final major diplomatic gambit as prime minister, which aims to revive the stalled composite dialogue. Dr Singh had given a clear indication at a rare press conference in Delhi earlier this month of his intention to visit Pakistan before he demits office. The press pooh-poohed the suggestion at the time given the strident moves being made by Hindutva hardliners to thwart any such hope.

Lok Sabha elections are expected to start by mid-April and could continue till early May. If the opposition Bharatiya Janata Party makes it an issue to oppose the visit, Dr Singh seems to have no incentive left to pay heed.

Moreover, there are political benefits his party could leverage from not only the minority communities, but also from the liberal and secular mainstream groups that advocate peace between the two countries.

The Standard quoted its sources as saying that the main agenda of the visit will be resumption of the composite dialogue between the two governments.

It said Commerce and Industry Minister Anand Sharma has been asked to pave the way for the visit when he goes to Pakistan next month to attend the Made-in-India show, an exhibition expected in Lahore on February 14-16.

A contingent of Pakistani media is currently visiting New Delhi, a move apparently encouraged by the Indian government, as an indication that some ground work in the area of publicity of the visit is necessary.

India-Pakistan talks have remained suspended since an Indian soldier was allegedly beheaded by the Pakistan army on the Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir in January last year. Pakistan has offered a parallel narrative with its own feeling of victimhood. After this, several reports of ceasefire violations by both sides started emerging.

The matter appeared to have been resolved with the much-awaited meeting of the Directors-General of Military Operations on December 24, the first such in 14 years. Both sides again decided to maintain peace on the border and matters appear to have begun to brighten up after this meeting.

The Composite Dialogue Process to be revived spans all the issues pending between the neighbours, including the Kashmir dispute, Sir Creek and Siachen. It formally began in 1997 when the late Inder Gujral was India’s prime minister who had struck a good rapport with his Pakistani counterpart Nawaz Sharif at the Maldives Saarc summit. The dialogue deals with other “confidence-building measures”, such as economic and commercial cooperation, cooperation on terrorism and drug trafficking.

“We are committed to forging friendly and cooperative relations between our two countries, which we believe are in our mutual interest and essential for the progress and prosperity of the peoples of our region,” Mr Nawaz Sharif told Dr Singh in his message of greetings on India's Republic Day.

The Standard report spoke of “loud murmurs doing the rounds” that when Dr Singh visits Pakistan, the latter will phase out the ‘negative list’ of items for trade, which technically means giving India the ‘Most Favoured Nation’ trade status, the term for non-discriminatory market access.

Dr Singh is believed to be keen to visit his ancestral village where he was born, Gah in Pakistan's Punjab province.

When contacted, officials in the Prime Minister's office told Business Standard that Dr Singh had spoken the last words on the issue at this press conference.

At the conference, the prime minister had said, “I would very much like to go to Pakistan. I was born in a village which is now part of west Punjab.”

He, however, had also added that as prime minister of the country, he should go to visit Pakistan if conditions are appropriate to achieve solid results.

“I have thought of it many times, but ultimately I felt that circumstances were not appropriate for my visit. I still have not given up hope of going to Pakistan before I complete my tenure as prime minister,” Dr Singh had said.

Several high-level visits from Pakistan have marked the return of the Mr Sharif at the helms in his country. Mr Sharif had invited Dr Singh several times to visit Pakistan, through various diplomatic channels. Immediately after coming to power last May, he sent a special envoy, Shaharyar M. Khan.

This was followed by the visit of Mr Sharif's Adviser on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz, who came during the Asia-Europe summit in November and met Dr Singh, urging him to revive the composite dialogue.

Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif, chief minister of Pakistan’s Punjab, also paid a visit followed by Pakistan's Commerce and Textiles Minister Khurram Dastagir Khan, who met Dr Singh on the sidelines of the Saarc Business Summit earlier this month and again invited him to visit.

Private sector representatives from both countries are also expected to meet next month in Pakistan as part of the Pakistan India Joint Business Forum.

Singh to visit Pakistan in March - DAWN.COM
 
he should not go........nothing will come out.......
This is one of the biggest problems we face.

We continue to judge and predispose without ever considering peace and development.

How are you going to judge a meeting before it takes place?

Sigh... With people like you we will never move forward and continue letting the western powers use and discard us for their own interests.
 
Mr.Singh's visit sounds more personal to me than a political one.He had long back said he wanted to visit his ancestral village in Pakistan..so he's trying not to renege on his promise.
I dont think his visit to Pak will earn him or his grubby party any extra vote...nonetheless the move is welcome.:)

The MFN issue has been going on and off for long now....according to SAFTA everything should be completed by dec 2015...but sooner the better.
Pakistan holds a long positive list of Indian goods.If those are moved to negative list that means from 2000 goods it will be 6800...I hope Pakistan does that for its own interest.

@Armstrong your take on this issue.
 
Mr.Singh's visit sounds more personal to me than a political one.He had long back said he wanted to visit his ancestral village in Pakistan..so he's trying not to renege on his promise.
I dont think his visit to Pak will earn him or his grubby party any extra vote...nonetheless the move is welcome.:)

The MFN issue has been going on and off for long now....according to SAFTA everything should be completed by dec 2015...but sooner the better.
Pakistan holds a long positive list of Indian goods.If those are moved to negative list that means from 2000 goods it will be 6800...I hope Pakistan does that for its own interest.

@Armstrong your take on this issue.

The visit doesn't mean anything & their won't be any movement on the MFN Status issue unless the Non-Tariff-Barriers Issue is addressed ! :)

What do you mean 'for its own interest' ? :unsure:
 
Good to hear it! I do hope something positive comes out of the visit.

However, will Pakistan prevent bozos like Hafiz Saeed from holding anti India demonstrations in Pakistan during the visit?

India bashing is the favorite pastime in Pakistan. Like what's going to unfold on this thread pretty soon!!
 
This is one of the biggest problems we face.

We continue to judge and predispose without ever considering peace and development.

How are you going to judge a meeting before it takes place?

Sigh... With people like you we will never move forward and continue letting the western powers use and discard us for their own interests.

still i am maintaining the same..........i am not against of dialog .....but this is not right time ....any how election is coming.......
back door diplomacy is working fine......lots of thing coming on track ........(they should spare more time for back door diplomacy


situation will become suddenly very loud ,if PM is going to visit .......already in past many episode has been repeated
this time they should learn from past experience ........ first they should do enough ground work .......other wise it is going to be flop show
 
The visit doesn't mean anything & their won't be any movement on the MFN Status issue unless the Non-Tariff-Barriers Issue is addressed ! :)

What do you mean 'for its own interest' ? :unsure:
Accept it....you need it more than us.:agree:

But has our PM's visit to Pak ever got the same kinda coverage and positive vibe that we give to your Presidents and other diplomats??? There's positive response or a negative one???
 
Come on guys.

He wants to visit his ancestoral village and possibly the home where his forefathers lived.

Should we continue denying him the joy of being in the same village?
same childhood place?

Sometimes we must think outside the trashy baskets of nationalist jingoism

peace

Accept it....you need it more than us.:agree:

But has our PM's visit to Pak ever got the same kinda coverage and positive vibe that we give to your Presidents and other diplomats??? There's positive response or a negative one???

No and yes Levina behn ji,

no and yes

Look we just bought bunch of industry stuff from India because it was cheaper and customer support was mighty quick

However MFNs between two countries with similar labor rate are too much noise but no real big benefit to Pakistani economy. Indians cannot buy soccer balls and shirts in large enough quantity to make a dent in our shortage of hard cash.

For us trading with China and India is in most cases a negative thing. They both have and will wipe out our small industries. Then we won't have a service sector big enough to replace the job loss.

So we really don't need MFN for trade benefits. It is more for bhai chara, to show the world that two nuke armed countries are not going to go boom anytime soon. Same kind of lovee dovvey feelings that we get when we play cricket with each other.


Coming to your second point.

Do we give same coverage to Advani Ji or now Manmohan ji

my answer: Hell yes.


Didn't expect you of all people to raise these negative points.

peace
 
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Accept it....you need it more than us.:agree:

No we don't ! :bunny:

Free Trade has to be 'free' for any benefit to be accrued to anyone ! o_O

Besides if this is an exercise into Confidence Building - You guys are not budging on any of your maximilist positions for there to be any movement on the issues that concern us - Siachin, Kashmir, Sir Creek, your meddling in Baluchistan & Cross-Border-Terrorism from Pakistani territory !

But has our PM's visit to Pak ever got the same kinda coverage and positive vibe that we give to your Presidents and other diplomats??? There's positive response or a negative one???

I'm not a 40 year old like yourself; I don't know when was the last time one of your PMs or Presidents visited Pakistan ! :P

But I reckon there would be, by & large, a positive response in Pakistan apart from the occasional nuts jobs frothing from their mouths but hey we don't have a monopoly on that anyhow - Your nut jobs do the same & at times a lot worse even with visiting Sports Teams or Artists !
 
Besides if this is an exercise into Confidence Building - You guys are not budging on any of your maximilist positions for there to be any movement on the issues that concern us - Siachin, Kashmir, Sir Creek, your meddling in Baluchistan & Cross-Border-Terrorism from Pakistani territory !
Kashmir and next to non negotiable. I dont understand why Pakistani's even talk about it.
This has been explained before. There will be no climb down from Kashmir. Get over it and talk about trade and everything else. Pakistan has accepted this implicitly. Kashmir for them is no longer a pre-requisite for other things.

Siachen is a ready deal provided Pakistan Army is willing to authenticate AGPL.
Sir Creek is a ready deal provided PA is ready to go with Internationally accepted norms.

As far as meddling is concerned, we still kill Pakistani Punjabi LeT terrorists in Kashmir, that means there will be action taken elsewhere.
 
still i am maintaining the same..........i am not against of dialog .....but this is not right time ....any how election is coming.......
back door diplomacy is working fine......lots of thing coming on track ........(they should spare more time for back door diplomacy


situation will become suddenly very loud ,if PM is going to visit .......already in past many episode has been repeated
this time they should learn from past experience ........ first they should do enough ground work .......other wise it is going to be flop show
Mate I don't expect a lot if anything to be officially signed.. However that doesn't mean he shouldn't go.. These visits even if it's a farewell visit does plant some ground work.
 
Kashmir and next to non negotiable. I dont understand why Pakistani's even talk about it.
This has been explained before. There will be no climb down from Kashmir. Get over it and talk about trade and everything else. Pakistan has accepted this implicitly. Kashmir for them is no longer a pre-requisite for other things.

For us it is not hence the disagreement !

Siachen is a ready deal provided Pakistan Army is willing to authenticate AGPL.

AG what ? What the heck does that acronym stand for ?

Sir Creek is a ready deal provided PA is ready to go with Internationally accepted norms.

Expound on that a bit more, if you will !

As far as meddling is concerned, we still kill Pakistani Punjabi LeT terrorists in Kashmir, that means there will be action taken elsewhere.

So Cross-Border-Terrorism is a two way street; lets talk about it !
 
Yaar yeh muna singh bolta tu hai nahi, yahan aa kar kya karay ga.
 
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