Since 2000s IAF has lost 30 4th gen fighters compared to PAF 3

[Myth_buster_1]

Kid, You are free to use 2000 as bench mark but I will continue using 1986 as it is the year from which both side started using 4th gen hence it is the real benchmark

wait are you the guy who claims to be some hot shot IAF official?
Im so glad to know such low IQ indiots serve in IAF.
Are you sure you want to include 260 su-30 and 20 LCA in 1980s and 1990s crash rate that were inducted after 2000? Do you know how stupid you sound?

Your “real comparison” is seriously flawed because Pakistan did not induct all 85 F16s at the same time - ditto for Indian Su30s.

the only meaningful comparison is accidents per flight hour.

Despite sanctions on Pakistan in 1990s PAF managed to clock 270+ hours per F-16 from 1994 to 2005. This has significantly increased knowing PAF has sufficient spare parts supply after new F-16 deal.

F-16 Fighting Falcon News
Pakistani F-16s reach 100,000 accident free flight hours

October 4, 2005 (by Asif Shamim) - A three-member delegation of Pratt & Whitney called on Air Chief Marshal Kaleem Saadat, Chief of the Air Staff Pakistan Air Force at Air Headquarters to present a plaque to the Chief of the Air Staff in recognition of flying the F-16, for over 100,000 accident-free flight hours.

Lloyd W. "Fig" Newton, executive vice president, presented a plaque to the Chief of the Air Staff in recognition of flying the F-16, for over 100,000 accident-free flight hours.

They also commended the maintenance, quality control and flight safety standards of the PAF, which made this achievement possible.

Retired Gen. Lloyd Newton, along with Gen. (R) William J Begert, Vice President and Warren Boley, Vice President, remained with Air Chief Marshal Kaleem Sadaat, Chief of Air Staff for some time and discussed matters pertaining to mutual and professional interest.

@dbc

Here is something interesting

So IAF Su-30 total service life is just 6000 hours

For 30 years in service would be 200 hours per year
or 40 years of service would be just 150.


https://www.business-standard.com/a...-hal-s-growing-capability-114102300636_1.html
A Su-30MKI is overhauled after flying 1,500 hours or 14 years, whichever is earlier. Over its total service life of 6,000 flying hours or 30-40 years, each fighter undergoes three overhauls. Eventually, the IAF's fleet of 272 Su-30MKIs will undergo 816 overhauls - three per fighter.

 

[Mighty Lion]

wait are you the guy who claims to be some hot shot IAF official?
Im so glad to know such low IQ indiots serve in IAF.
Are you sure you want to include 260 su-30 and 20 LCA in 1980s and 1990s crash rate that were inducted after 2000? Do you know how stupid you sound?

Read again little kid.
I am including Su-30 and LCA for IAF crash rate between 1986-2020 just like I am including JFT, BLK52, Jordanian ADFs and 14 ex USAF planes for PAF crash rate 1986-20 so that we can get a proper holistic view.

Despite sanctions on Pakistan in 1990s PAF managed to clock 270+ hours per F-16 from 1994 to 2005. This has significantly increased knowing PAF has sufficient spare parts supply after new F-16 deal.

F-16 Fighting Falcon News
Pakistani F-16s reach 100,000 accident free flight hours

Not a big deal.
IAF Su-30 mki fleet achieved 100,000 flight hiurs without any accidents between 1998-March 2009

 

[dbc]

@dbc

Here is something interesting

So IAF Su-30 total service life is just 6000 hours

For 30 years in service would be 200 hours per year
or 40 years of service would be just 150.


https://www.business-standard.com/a...-hal-s-growing-capability-114102300636_1.html
A Su-30MKI is overhauled after flying 1,500 hours or 14 years, whichever is earlier. Over its total service life of 6,000 flying hours or 30-40 years, each fighter undergoes three overhauls. Eventually, the IAF's fleet of 272 Su-30MKIs will undergo 816 overhauls - three per fighter.

No surprise the serviceability of the Su 30's is terrible - I remember the IAF crew were busy mopping up leaking hydraulic fluids from the Su30 MKIs for the entirety of their visit to the US some years ago.

 

[Mighty Lion]

No surprise the serviceability of the Su 30's is terrible - I remember the IAF crew were busy mopping up leaking hydraulic fluids from the Su30 MKIs for the entirety of their visit to the US some years ago.

Last year when F-16C/D of RSAF reached Kalaikunda, they had fat higher downtime and 12hr breakdown rates than Su-30MKI.

No wonder USAF which has the best maintained F-16 fleet has a availability rate of only 72%.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

9 Mig-29

UPG?

 

[dbc]

Last year when F-16C/D of RSAF reached Kalaikunda, they had fat higher downtime and 12hr breakdown rates than Su-30MKI.

No wonder USAF which has the best maintained F-16 fleet has a availability rate of only 72%.

Nonsense - not even going to waste my time proving you wrong. We are all very pleased that the IAF continues its patronage of Russian hardware.

 

[Path-Finder]

IAF Su-30 mki fleet achieved 100,000 flight hiurs without any accidents between 1998-March 2009

what did russia sanctioned your fleet and stopped providing spares when you achieved 100K hrs without incident?

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Read again little kid.
I am including Su-30 and LCA for IAF crash rate between 1986-2020 just like I am including JFT, BLK52, Jordanian ADFs and 14 ex USAF planes for PAF crash rate 1986-20 so that we can get a proper holistic view.

Once an indiot always an indiot
All Su-30 LCA JF-17 and NEW F-16 did not even exist in 1980s and 1990s so its really stupid to include them.

Not a big deal.
IAF Su-30 mki fleet achieved 100,000 flight hiurs without any accidents between 1998-March 2009

150 hours per year per aircraft is not a big deal for you?

No wonder USAF which has the best maintained F-16 fleet has a availability rate of only 72%.

USAF is in process of phasing out its F-16s and in fact some European countries have either phased out F-16s or in process of completing meaning their availability rate is under 40%.

 

[Windjammer]

Not a big deal.
IAF Su-30 mki fleet achieved 100,000 flight hiurs without any accidents between 1998-March 2009

Yes it is a big deal when you actually achieve this milestone....while Prat and Whitney executives travelled to Pakistan to present the award to the then PAF air chief, can you back up your claim with some substance instead of habitually throwing your tantrums.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

UPG?

It includes all MIG-29 variants except for Mig-29K which is only used by INAF

Yes it is a big deal when you actually achieve this milestone....while Prat and Whitney executives travelled to Pakistan to present the award to the then PAF air chief, can you back up your claim with some substance instead of habitually throwing your tantrums.

If Su-30 flying hours per year was 150 then its not any achievement considering PAF F-16 twice as much hours clocked during sanction era.

 

[Mighty Lion]

Yes it is a big deal when you actually achieve this milestone....while Prat and Whitney executives travelled to Pakistan to present the award to the then PAF air chief, can you back up your claim with some substance instead of habitually throwing your tantrums.

Russia does not have flight safety awards for any category.
Su-30 MKI achieving 100,000 flight hours was confirmed by IAF DCAS on 03.04.2009.

150 hours per year per aircraft is not a big deal for you?

Nope.
Su-30 achieved over 200 per year even with lower availabilty rate.
If it had 70% availabilty rate it would achieved 250 hrs

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Russia does not have flight safety awards for any category.
Su-30 MKI achieving 100,000 flight hours was confirmed by IAF DCAS on 03.04.2009.

NOT any achievement considering it flew only 150 hours per year lol

 

[Mighty Lion]

USAF is in process of phasing out its F-16s and in fact some European countries have either phased out F-16s or in process of completing meaning their availability rate is under 40%

Wrong USAF has not phased out any F-16 active duty unit in FY18 when F-16 availabilty was 72%.

 

[Windjammer]

If Su-30 flying hours per year was 150 then its not any achievement considering PAF F-16 twice as much hours clocked during sanction era.

It's not just a question of flying 100000 hours but incident free to reach that goal....besides F-16 is a single engine, one mishap and no recovery and how many times the SU-30s had an engine failure and had to return to base.

 

[Mighty Lion]

Once an indiot always an indiot
All Su-30 LCA JF-17 and NEW F-16 did not even exist in 1980s and 1990s so its really stupid to include them.

Kid, data is for 1986-2020 so all aircrafts inducted in that period will be included. Only stupid peopel won't

UPG?

No MiG-29UPG crashed.
Last IAF MiG-29 crash was 6.5 yrs back.