Shut shop in Pakistan Kashmir, India tells China

[SrNair]

What is the provocation you're talking? There is no such thing call P-O-K but only Pakistan's Kashmir as you claim there is no such thing call South Tibet...and how lovely you call South Tibet as not a dispute land and Kashmir is a dispute land, only India will buy that but not China nor Pakistan.

And what Pakistan gifted China, we're there to do construct job, what it's the problem?

1962 is not China problem, if you guys didn't harbor Dalai Lama and your forward policy, no such war could have happened, and your mistake and failure on us?

Dont need further explanation.
Pakistan gifted a few places in Kashmir region to China and you accepted it and unwantedly interefered in our affairs .
Do whatever you want .But we will take actions for our national interests whether you likes or not .

Dalai Lama was Buddhist scholar and Sanyasi .A respected figure indeed ,always looked for non violence protests .And we dont care about your issue .India and Indians will accepts anyone that asks refugee in here .We had given that refugee to Jews ,Persians and alots of other people .We are still doing that and will do that again in future also whether you like or not .
1962 was just a minor issue that could have been solved through good negotiations
.Forge about it .You cant undo the history.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Then you probably don't understand how geo-politics works....it is simple logic...you will press my weak nerve i will surely press yours when i have the will and power to do so...South China sea is already a hot bed for China...no?? Increased US presence, Japan and China rivalry at all time high...and aussies making enough noise about it...Last thing china would want is to push us more and more towards US....and have a firm interest and presence there...can anyone deny that our look east policy(no matter at what stage it is) has been a direct response to whatever chinese were/are doing in our backyard??

South China sea is not Kashmir, and you are not China. Please get a grip, you've said perhaps I don't understand geo-politics. My point still stands, no-one outside of India gives a toss if India protests Chinese investment in Pakistani territory.

 

[deckingraj]

South China sea is not Kashmir, and you are not China. Please get a grip, you've said perhaps I don't understand geo-politics. My point still stands, no-one outside of India gives a toss if India protests Chinese investment in Pakistani territory.

then you have failed to take my point...i understand the emotions behind it however please understand...if china will do something in our backyard we will do the same in theirs WHEN we can....India is no pushover as you are making her to be!!

 

[Jungibaaz]

then you have failed to take my point...i understand the emotions behind it however please understand...if china will do something in our backyard we will do the same in theirs WHEN we can....India is no pushover as you are making her to be!!

This is naive thinking on your part, as if geopolitics is really some petty tale and gossip and entirely reactionary, no doubt China does things that piss India off and vice versa, but perhaps it isn't yet clear to you, India protesting or not, these investments will be done, and Chinese investments in Pakistan or not, India's stance in the SCS likely won't change.

I'm in fact, not making India to be a push over, it's you making India out to be some dehati aurut (if you'll excuse the usage of the term) who will take revenge on China because of investments that have nothing to do with it.

 

[Jf Thunder]

But the reality is the Pakistan has not included J&K in it's constitution while Indian has it included.

J&K joined the Republic of India through the instrument of accession. This was the agreed procedure laid out as per the partition plan of India.

If Pakistan questions this procedure the whole existence of Pakistan would come into question.

Pakistan policy makers are not foolish not to realize this and they very well know the implications.

As regards to China, they do not have any locus standi in this matter.

the thing is, Pakistan does not recognize the instrument of accession, so again, having it in your constitution means nothing to us

 

[dadeechi]

the thing is, Pakistan does not recognize the instrument of accession, so again, having it in your constitution means nothing to us

As I said earlier if Pakistan does not recognize the instrument of accession the very basis on which Pakistan was created would itself come into question.

There is no expectation that Pakistan would follow India constitution.

Indian constitution is for the Indians to follow including the people of J&K.

 

[DesiGuy1403]

but perhaps it isn't yet clear to you, India protesting or not, these investments will be done, and Chinese investments in Pakistan or not, India's stance in the SCS likely won't change.

And to be blunt, India will do more than protest.
Remember these roads are passing through the most inhospitable area in the world. Things will be 'arranged'.

To compare, it is akin to India going into Tibet and doing stuff, I am sure Chinese reaction to that would be much more than 'protest'.

the thing is, Pakistan does not recognize the instrument of accession, so again, having it in your constitution means nothing to us

Go ahead and do it.
Would give India the perfect reason to abolish article 370 and push in lot of outsiders into the valley to negate the local population.

 

[Jungibaaz]

And to be blunt, India will do more than protest.
Remember these roads are passing through the most inhospitable area in the world. Things will be 'arranged'.

To compare, it is akin to India going into Tibet and doing stuff, I am sure Chinese reaction to that would be much more than 'protest'.

You're right on that, every player is involved in that.

 

[deckingraj]

First of all apologies for the late response. Some work kept me busy...To be honest now we both are repeating our words so may be we need to agree to disagree here...

This is naive thinking on your part, as if geopolitics is really some petty tale and gossip and entirely reactionary, no doubt China does things that piss India off and vice versa, but perhaps it isn't yet clear to you, India protesting or not, these investments will be done, and Chinese investments in Pakistan or not, India's stance in the SCS likely won't change.

I'm in fact, not making India to be a push over, it's you making India out to be some dehati aurut (if you'll excuse the usage of the term) who will take revenge on China because of investments that have nothing to do with it.

Look...Entire J&K as per our stand is our integral part...China claims almost entire South China sea...So when Chinese invest in Areas which are sensitive to us i fail to understand why on this earth anyone will believe that India won't reciprocate?? If Chinese strong reactions to our minimal investments in South China sea is not work of a dehati aurat then i am not sure how come our actions make us one?? Both sides will make noise about other side involvement...it is simple...Obviously we are not in a position to invest heavily in south china at this point however not sure what makes you so confident that we never will...!! Also this is not about revenge...it is always be about economics and whatever strategic objectives you can take out of it...If economically it doesn't make sense than neither China nor India will do anything in the areas discussed above...Chinese investments in our sensitive areas is a perfect alibi for us to move full bang in South china...our economy is improving and with that you will see more and more interest in South China sea...

 

[Jf Thunder]

Go ahead and do it.
Would give India the perfect reason to abolish article 370 and push in lot of outsiders into the valley to negate the local population.

do what?

As I said earlier if Pakistan does not recognize the instrument of accession the very basis on which Pakistan was created would itself come into question.

There is no expectation that Pakistan would follow India constitution.

Indian constitution is for the Indians to follow including the people of J&K.

not recognizing the instrument of accession for Kashmir, brings our existence into question? how?

 

[dadeechi]

not recognizing the instrument of accession for Kashmir, brings our existence into question? how?

How did Baluchistan and NWFP join Pakistan?

 

[Dalit]

I like it. The Indians are feeling the pain and cannot do anything about it other than scream and shout.

Pakistan and China should vigorously continue with the implementation of the CPEC project.

GB is an integral part of Pakistan and no one can do anything to change that.

It is tough luck for India.

 

[ForgetfulUsername]

This is naive thinking on your part, as if geopolitics is really some petty tale and gossip and entirely reactionary, no doubt China does things that piss India off and vice versa, but perhaps it isn't yet clear to you, India protesting or not, these investments will be done, and Chinese investments in Pakistan or not, India's stance in the SCS likely won't change.

I'm in fact, not making India to be a push over, it's you making India out to be some dehati aurut (if you'll excuse the usage of the term) who will take revenge on China because of investments that have nothing to do with it.

No one cares about the memidiocer investments its always been about Kashmir , China accepts Pakistan occupied Kashmir as a disputed territory between India and Pakistan .

 

[Jf Thunder]

How did Baluchistan and NWFP join Pakistan?

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they are not related in any way to the Instrument of Accession of Kashmir..............

 

[Jungibaaz]

No one cares about the memidiocer investments its always been about Kashmir , China accepts Pakistan occupied Kashmir as a disputed territory between India and Pakistan .

On the contrary, all the whining from India seems to indicate just the opposite. And the rest of that one liner requires no further effort for response on my part.