Shut shop in Pakistan Kashmir, India tells China

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Agreed .Noone loves in investing in a loss making project .
You can stand on your argument ,but if we works for making it totally infeasible for Chinese in other sectors including geopolitics .Then dont blame us .

What option you have, sanction? cozying with US?

We are already exploring oil in Vietnamese water, we will also go into the so called disputed water under Vietnam's control, and ask China to shut shop in Pakistan occupied Kashmir as and when China raise objection about our oil exploration in SCS area...that's the whole point..

What dispute water is under Vietnam control? anything dispute water mean we can be there. India can come and compete with China to see who will first to drill and suck the must oil on dispute water. China can bring the one billion worth 981 oil rig and other giant oil tankers to suck dry the entire area with no time.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Nobody in Pakistan, or China will care. In fact, just about anybody outside of India won't care.

 

[dray]

What dispute water is under Vietnam control? anything dispute water mean we can be there. India can come and compete with China to see who will first to drill and suck the must oil on dispute water. China can bring the one billion worth 981 oil rig and other giant oil tankers to suck dry the entire area with no time.

I am just stating the fact that for the last few years China is crying about our oil exploration deal with Vietnam and our presence there, it's not that we are paying any attention to all the crying...

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

I am just stating the fact that for the last few years China is crying about our oil exploration deal with Vietnam and our presence there, it's not that we are paying any attention to all the crying...

And seem like we had cried effectively and India backed down by claiming that it didn't found any oil , but you Indian couldn't cry loud enough of what we're doing with CPEC.

 

[MadDog]

The legal problem is the status of the territory of J&K as mentioned in UN and its boundary accepted by both parties. China has no locus standi on Kashmir but it has been in occupation of Aski-Chin since 1962.

If China starts investing on a disputed land even after being forewarned by India about the possible repercussions then this Chinese decision may adversely impact its relations with India.

India's warning is very timely and would create a lot of commotion in their Foreign and Commerce Ministry. After all India pays net of more than 50 billion dollars for Chinese goods every year.

Currently China imports major chunk of its crude oil from Middle East. Around 40-45 % passes through Strait of Malacca (a bottleneck between Indonesia and Malaysia) to go to the Chinese ports on the western side of China. Its a journey of 16000km which takes 2 weeks. This oil is China's life line which could be easily choked at Strait of Malacca, CPEC provides the best possible alternative, reducing the journey to less than 1500 km and time to only 1-2 days to reach China. Now tell me , why would the Chinese consider $50 Bln trade with India more vital than their oil supply , which is under constant threat of US Navy at Strait of Malacca, just to appease India, do you really think they would give up a project so vital to them !!!

 

[dray]

And seem like we had cried effectively and India backed down by claiming that it didn't found any oil , but you Indian couldn't cry loud enough of what we're doing with CPEC.

We are not only still there, we have signed new agreements with Vietnam recently to explore oil in the blocks right inside the so called disputed area.

 

[Laozi]

Currently China imports major chunk of its crude oil from Middle East. Around 40-45 % passes through Strait of Malacca (a bottleneck between Indonesia and Malaysia) to go to the Chinese ports on the western side of China. Its a journey of 16000km which takes 2 weeks. This oil is China's life line which could be easily choked at Strait of Malacca, CPEC provides the best possible alternative, reducing the journey to less than 1500 km and time to only 1-2 days to reach China. Now tell me , why would the Chinese consider $50 Bln trade with India more vital than their oil supply , which is under constant threat of US Navy at Strait of Malacca, just to appease India, do you really think they would give up a project so vital to them !!!

According to your analysis Gwadar is important till Crude Oil is a necessity.

As the world is moving towards fossil fuel free economies, and China and India are planning hundred percent electronic transport system by 2030. it is logical to assume that once the importance of crude is reduced so will be the importance of Gwadar.

Therefore a country which plans decades in advance will surely weigh all pros and cons

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

We are not only still there, we have signed new agreements with Vietnam recently to explore oil in the blocks right inside the so called disputed area.

India is welcome to make the first move and we shall see the following domino effect.

 

[Max]

Whining shupa powa at its best but nobody will give fvuk as always..

 

[dray]

India is welcome to make the first move and we shall see the following domino effect.

It's China who made the first move by constructing projects in disputed p-o-k. And we are not bothered about your domino effect, contrary to Chinese fanboys' beliefs, India is just too big to be threatned by China. China can't gain anything by having enemity with its big and powerful neighbours, learn to cooperate and live peacefully.

 

[SrNair]

What option you have, sanction? cozying with US?



What dispute water is under Vietnam control? anything dispute water mean we can be there. India can come and compete with China to see who will first to drill and suck the must oil on dispute water. China can bring the one billion worth 981 oil rig and other giant oil tankers to suck dry the entire area with no time.

Total non cooperations and policies that can hurt the national interests of PRC .US is just one of our tool .We also have other good options .Effective options .
It is up to you .What is your priority ?
.You can choose and remember we are not that small ASEAN .

 

[deckingraj]

really????you think modi has performed better?? Modi and Co had to cancel alot of visas within 48 hours.While in return china has slapped you twice within 2 years in UN on same issue

You are wrong....China has been slapping us all the time on this issue irrespective of who is in govt. because world still has a myopic view on terrorism...if it is not hurting me then it is not my problem...this is true for China, US, India, Pakistan and every single country out there....what has changed under Modi is that India is being assertive...atleast we have started voicing our concerns and then being very vocal about it...this is a healthy change...yes Modi and co has canceled lot of visas however nobody even bothered to issue them in the first place...you see the change??

Nobody in Pakistan, or China will care. In fact, just about anybody outside of India won't care.

Then you probably don't understand how geo-politics works....it is simple logic...you will press my weak nerve i will surely press yours when i have the will and power to do so...South China sea is already a hot bed for China...no?? Increased US presence, Japan and China rivalry at all time high...and aussies making enough noise about it...Last thing china would want is to push us more and more towards US....and have a firm interest and presence there...can anyone deny that our look east policy(no matter at what stage it is) has been a direct response to whatever chinese were/are doing in our backyard??

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Total non cooperations and policies that can hurt the national interests of PRC .US is just one of our tool .We also have other good options .Effective options .
It is up to you .What is your priority ?
.You can choose and remember we are not that small ASEAN .

No we know the importance of India and we certainly not ignore that but don't ask us to do thing as our expense. our cooperation with Pakistan is not India's business, if you have problem with that than you should deal with Pakistan and not China. Same thing when China ask India to stop occupied South Tibet infrastructure activities, did you guys stop? No India even invite Japan for the job...but at least Japaneses are smart, they didn't recognized South Tibet as part of India that why they turn down the offer.

 

[SrNair]

No we know the importance of India and we certainly not ignore that but don't ask us to do thing as our expense. our cooperation with Pakistan is not India's business, if you have problem with that than you should deal with Pakistan and not China. Same thing when China ask India to stop occupied South Tibet infrastructure activities, did you guys stop? No India even invite Japan for the job...but at least Japaneses are smart, they didn't recognized South Tibet as part of India that why they turn down the offer.

You should decide what would be your expense if you try to provoke India like this ?Again that is also your choice .
Of Course we are dealing with Pakistan but does any one asked you to take the gift of Pakistan and jumps in to our own disputed land .
There is no such thing called South Tibet .Only Arunachal Pradesh .
We may give an option to Japanese but we didnt gifted them like Pakistan did for yours .May be Japan has some reluctance in accepting that offer .But if we were hell bending in allowing other nations in our land ,we would have been invite the US in that area .They will accept it and you cant do anything about it .But did we do that ?
We dont need others certificate and recognition .
Trust me dude .1962 was a foreign policy failure of PRC .You have unnecessarily created an enemy from a good friend .Now your options are severly limited to an opportunistic nation that gives everything to us in the name of some misplaced idealogy to the mighty US for several decades .

You dont have look elsewhere .Look at the topic of this thread .GoI officially began to questioning Beijing about their involvement in P0K ,something that our former GoI hesitated to do so .Now on they events like this will happen frequently .

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

You should decide what would be your expense if you try to provoke India like this ?Again that is also your choice .
Of Course we are dealing with Pakistan but does any one asked you to take the gift of Pakistan and jumps in to our own disputed land .
There is no such thing called South Tibet .Only Arunachal Pradesh .
We may give an option to Japanese but we didnt gifted them like Pakistan did for yours .May be Japan has some reluctance in accepting that offer .But if we were hell bending in allowing other nations in our land ,we would have been invite the US in that area .They will accept it and you cant do anything about it .But did we do that ?
We dont need others certificate and recognition .
Trust me dude .1962 was a foreign policy failure of PRC .You have unnecessarily created an enemy from a good friend .Now your options are severly limited to an opportunistic nation that gives everything to us in the name of some misplaced idealogy to the mighty US for several decades .

You dont have look elsewhere .Look at the topic of this thread .GoI officially began to questioning Beijing about their involvement in P0K ,something that our former GoI hesitated to do so .Now on they events like this will happen frequently .

What is the provocation you're talking? There is no such thing call P-O-K but only Pakistan's Kashmir as you claim there is no such thing call South Tibet...and how lovely you call South Tibet as not a dispute land and Kashmir is a dispute land, only India will buy that but not China nor Pakistan.

And what Pakistan gifted China, we're there to do construct job, what it's the problem?

1962 is not China problem, if you guys didn't harbor Dalai Lama and your forward policy, no such war could have happened, and your mistake and failure on us?