Should Turkyie Have the ultimate bomb?

[Abdi-Karim Elmi]

I hope the iranian get a bomb. Gives us an excuse to uncle sam..

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Why are you getting sensitive?

I am not. But he was exaggerating. Turkey has a strong army but it's not "far far more powerful than the Pakistani army" as he stated. They are both almost have the same strength, except for the air-force which is in Turkey favor.

 

[Solomon2]

Turkyie and russiya have a economic treaty and have over 100 billion dollars trade. And turkish soap shows XD

Substitute German music for turkish soaps and the Turkish-Russian relationship of today is similar to the French-German relationship of a hundred years ago - a relationship that did nothing to prevent the disaster of WWI from breaking out.

 

[Abdi-Karim Elmi]

the moving through bosphorus is within a treaty of montreux regulations.

Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of the Turkish Straits - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Convention consists of 29 Articles, four annexes and one protocol. Articles 2-7 consider the passage of merchant ships. Articles 8-22 consider the passage of war vessels. The key principle of freedom of passage and navigation is stated in articles 1 and 2. Article 1 provides that "The High Contracting Parties recognise and affirm the principle of freedom of passage and navigation by sea in the Straits". Article 2 states that "In time of peace, merchant vessels shall enjoy complete freedom of passage and navigation in the Straits, by day and by night, under any flag with any kind of cargo."
The International Straits Commission was abolished, authorising the full resumption of Turkish military control over the Straits and the refortification of the Dardanelles. Turkey was authorised to close the Straits to all foreign warships in wartime or when it was threatened by aggression; additionally, it was authorised to refuse transit from merchant ships belonging to countries at war with Turkey. A number of highly specific restrictions were imposed on what type of warships are allowed passage. Non-Black Sea state warships in the Straits must be under 15,000 tons. No more than nine non-Black Sea state warships, with a total aggregate tonnage of no more than 30,000 tons, may pass at any one time, and they are permitted to stay in the Black Sea for no longer than twenty-one days.
Although the treaty is often cited as prohibiting aircraft carriers in the straits[9], there is no explicit prohibition on aircraft carriers in the treaty. However, the tonnage limits in Article 14, which apply to all non-Black Sea powers, would preclude the transit of modern aircraft carrying ships. In the case of non-Black Sea powers, these terms make it impossible for transit any modern ships carrying aircraft through the straits without violating the terms of the convention.

This is one the reason why we are vunrable.. Geopolitics

 

[Ottoman-Turk]

The International Straits Commission was abolished, authorising the full resumption of Turkish military control over the Straits and the refortification of the Dardanelles. Turkey was authorised to close the Straits to all foreign warships in wartime or when it was threatened by aggression; additionally, it was authorised to refuse transit from merchant ships belonging to countries at war with Turkey.

WE CAN LEGALLY CLOSE IN IN WAR OR AGGRESION

 

[RazPaK]

Turkyie and russiya have a economic treaty and have over 100 billion dollars trade. And turkish soap shows XD

There.You answered your own thread. In this day and age being an economic powerhouse is more important than having nukes. If you need them in the future there is always Pakistan, but with anti islamic turks like yourself the friendship might deteriorate.

 

[Abdi-Karim Elmi]

Substitute German music for turkish soaps and the Turkish-Russian relationship of today is similar to the French-German relationship of a hundred years ago - a relationship that did nothing to prevent the disaster of WWI from breaking out.

Lol why would russia attack us for? Relations are fine. They are helping us build nuclear fusion reactors in 2025 and a thomdium reseach centre for alternatives to uranium.

There.You answered your own thread. In this day and age being an economic powerhouse is more important than having nukes. If you need them in the future there is always Pakistan, but with anti islamic turks like yourself the friendship might deteriorate.

This is thread about nuclear power not religion. And im sure we can built it yourself..

 

[Solomon2]

As far as I can see there is no strategic benefit to Turkey acquiring The Bomb. It's external security concerns are adequately addressed through NATO, quite to its own satisfaction. Any hegemonic aspirations Turkey might hope to realize by The Bomb would be countered by (1) the increased hostility of neighbors, leading to (2) the revival of Iraq's and Syria's nuclear weapons programs.

So who, exactly, would be in favor of a Turkish Bomb? Someone willing to depress Turkish lives and minds to the impecunious and ignorant levels of Pakistan today. One wishes such fates on one's enemies, not on one's friends.

 

[Abdi-Karim Elmi]

As far as I can see there is no strategic benefit to Turkey acquiring The Bomb. It's external security concerns are adequately addressed through NATO, quite to its own satisfaction. Any hegemonic aspirations Turkey might hope to realize by The Bomb would be countered by (1) the increased hostility of neighbors, leading to (2) the revival of Iraq's and Syria's nuclear weapons programs.

So who, exactly, would be in favor of a Turkish Bomb? Someone willing to depress Turkish lives and minds to the impecunious and ignorant levels of Pakistan today. One wishes such fates on one's enemies, not on one's friends.

Good point but the USA would not be in the middle east forever. Once they are gone we are **** naked to rouge states or defeneless to regional powers in the near east. But we dont wanna end up like pakistan or N. Korea.

 

[S_O_C_O_M]

Turkey has about 60 nuclear warheads with their delivery systems in the hands of the Turkish armed Forces, ready for deployment, as a gratitude from the US and NATO, and it seems that turkey has decided to hold on to them indefinitely.
Today, Turkey is more interested in civilian nuclear energy than the atomic bomb which it has; at least 60 of the most sophisticated ones with dial a yield system.

They are under NATO Command. NATO has the launch codes. If Turkey military is independently in control of launch codes (HIGHLY DOUBTFUL) NATO has the self destruct code. But as long as Turkey is with NATO nothing to worry about - unless it gets in a military conflict with Israel, in this case I don't think NATO will live up to its obligation.

Turkey only has hydrogen bombs in its posession if i am correct.

 

[Ottoman-Turk]

There.You answered your own thread. In this day and age being an economic powerhouse is more important than having nukes. If you need them in the future there is always Pakistan, but with anti islamic turks like yourself the friendship might deteriorate.

Inshallah pakistan help.

As far as I can see there is no strategic benefit to Turkey acquiring The Bomb. It's external security concerns are adequately addressed through NATO, quite to its own satisfaction. Any hegemonic aspirations Turkey might hope to realize by The Bomb would be countered by (1) the increased hostility of neighbors, leading to (2) the revival of Iraq's and Syria's nuclear weapons programs.

So who, exactly, would be in favor of a Turkish Bomb? Someone willing to depress Turkish lives and minds to the impecunious and ignorant levels of Pakistan today. One wishes such fates on one's enemies, not on one's friends.

if iran gets it then we have an excuse which is rightly so.

There.You answered your own thread. In this day and age being an economic powerhouse is more important than having nukes. If you need them in the future there is always Pakistan, but with anti islamic turks like yourself the friendship might deteriorate.

together inshallah we make better future for our countries.

 

[S_O_C_O_M]

Buddy, you need to give your pointless rants a rest!

What is your anti-turk problems ? what did turks do to you or your country ?

I don't like these types of rants, but don't be so quick to write off his post, if you think about it, he does have a valid point. Turkey is a Muslim majority country presently at odds with Israel. Additionally, Eurpoean Union is unwilling to admit Turkey. Only reason Turkey is with NATO because of its strategic position when U.S. was at odds with U.S.S.R. other wise Turkey would never have been NATO.

plus turkey is a nato/european pawn, any nato pawn cant have the dream to be a nuclear power esp a muslim pawn

 

[Solomon2]

if iran gets it then we have an excuse which is rightly so.

But the Iranians tell everybody the purpose of their Bomb will be to destroy Israel, so why should Turkey feel threatened? The mullahs are sure to give it up afterward, right? All in the cause of peace and brotherhood between Muslims, yes? There aren't going to be any battles for leadership, everyone will just agree to follow...who, exactly?

 

[Ottoman-Turk]

But the Iranians tell everybody the purpose of their Bomb will be to destroy Israel, so why should Turkey feel threatened? The mullahs are sure to give it up afterward, right? All in the cause of peace and brotherhood between Muslims, yes? There aren't going to be any battles for leadership, everyone will just agree to follow...who, exactly?

not because we are threatened but still , if they can then so should we.

why not? e.g solomon are you american?

if you are then please answer these , e.g we can see america has problem with iran nukes because of dangerous and non american friendly leaders , we can see that in iraq before or libya , but turkey , would excuse be this '' terrorists can get hold of it or something?'' what would be the excuse for some countries?

 

[Solomon2]

if you are then please answer these , e.g we can see america has problem with iran nukes because of dangerous and non american friendly leaders , we can see that in iraq before or libya , but turkey , would excuse be this '' terrorists can get hold of it or something?'' what would be the excuse for some countries?

I don't understand the question, please re-state it more clearly.