Shoud pakistan start j-2x programe low cost (5th generation) multirole aircraft to replace jf-17

[mrrehan]

US don't allow sale of tech to others even it had lost in their competition.

Well if F-16 can go

16 wing weapons stations (750 lb capacity)
4 semi-submerged AIM-120 stations
2 wingtip stations
1 centerline station
2 wing "heavy / wet" stations
2 chin stations for LANTIRN

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article1.html

THEN Why not JF-17NG (Next Generation) look like this specially if in-cooperating vector thrusting like F-35 and stealthy fears.

https://military-photoshops.blogspot.com.au/2012/01/jf-17e-block-3-thunder-xl.html

Inspired from the F-16 XL project, this modification gives JF-17 Thunder a substantial increase in payload, range, and speed. Unlike the crancked arrow wing of F-16XL, this particular Jf-17 mounts a diamond shaped wing, commonly associated with YF-23 Black Widow. Primarily intended for Strike role, Block 3 because of its increased internal fuel capacity and payload, the JF-17 XL can carry twice the payload of the JF-17, 40% further. The increased payload was carried on 17 hardpoints, which were arranged as follows:
6 wing weapons stations (750 lb capacity)
4 semi-submerged SD-10A stations
2 wingtip stations
1 centerline station
2 wing "heavy / wet" stations (2000 lb)
2 chin stations for Targetting/ navigational pods.


General characteristics:
Crew: 2
Length: 50 ft 2 in (16.51 m)
Wingspan: 31 ft 3 in (10.44 m)
Height: 15 ft 7 in (5.36 m)
Wing area: 533 ft2 (58.81 m2)
Empty weight: 15,000 lb (7,980 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 28,000 lb (14,775 kg)
Powerplant: 1× WS-10 turbofan
Dry thrust: 17,155 lbf (76.3 kN)
Thrust with afterburner: 28,984 lbf (128.9 kN)
Performance:
Maximum speed: Mach 2.0
Range: 2,480 nm (2,850 mi, 4,590 km)
Service ceiling: 50,000 ft (15,240 m)
Rate of climb: 62,000 ft/min (315 m/s)

 

[Basel]

Well if F-16 can go

16 wing weapons stations (750 lb capacity)
4 semi-submerged AIM-120 stations
2 wingtip stations
1 centerline station
2 wing "heavy / wet" stations
2 chin stations for LANTIRN

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article1.html

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THEN Why not JF-17NG (Next Generation) look like this specially if in-cooperating vector thrusting like F-35 and stealthy fears.

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https://military-photoshops.blogspot.com.au/2012/01/jf-17e-block-3-thunder-xl.html

Inspired from the F-16 XL project, this modification gives JF-17 Thunder a substantial increase in payload, range, and speed. Unlike the crancked arrow wing of F-16XL, this particular Jf-17 mounts a diamond shaped wing, commonly associated with YF-23 Black Widow. Primarily intended for Strike role, Block 3 because of its increased internal fuel capacity and payload, the JF-17 XL can carry twice the payload of the JF-17, 40% further. The increased payload was carried on 17 hardpoints, which were arranged as follows:
6 wing weapons stations (750 lb capacity)
4 semi-submerged SD-10A stations
2 wingtip stations
1 centerline station
2 wing "heavy / wet" stations (2000 lb)
2 chin stations for Targetting/ navigational pods.


General characteristics:
Crew: 2
Length: 50 ft 2 in (16.51 m)
Wingspan: 31 ft 3 in (10.44 m)
Height: 15 ft 7 in (5.36 m)
Wing area: 533 ft2 (58.81 m2)
Empty weight: 15,000 lb (7,980 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 28,000 lb (14,775 kg)
Powerplant: 1× WS-10 turbofan
Dry thrust: 17,155 lbf (76.3 kN)
Thrust with afterburner: 28,984 lbf (128.9 kN)
Performance:
Maximum speed: Mach 2.0
Range: 2,480 nm (2,850 mi, 4,590 km)
Service ceiling: 50,000 ft (15,240 m)
Rate of climb: 62,000 ft/min (315 m/s)

I also support JFT evolution in type of F-16 XL as later was old as per tech JFT can be very advance and a western engine (EJ-200/230 with TVC) with low breakdown & less maintenance frenzy, long life with lower weight and size and good power output will be good to have for this kind of bird.

 

[Fledgingwings]

Designs on papers is one thing but it takes alot of money to put such a project into shape.which I think currently its hard for PAF.

 

[mrrehan]

Designs on papers is one thing but it takes alot of money to put such a project into shape.which I think currently its hard for PAF.

Any ways things have to change. We cannot just depend on JF-17, may be JF-17 Block8 and then we need to change the platform any ways. If we act now then the result will be in 4 to 5 years may be later.

 

[mdcp]

We need to joint venture in TFX and also j31 program. With jv we can have economy of scale and share resources and learn and build quickly where as solo flight will restrict, delay and costly

More importantly no need to reinvent wheel, had we joined j10 program than starting jf17 we would have been much better now

 

[Fledgingwings]

Any ways things have to change. We cannot just depend on JF-17, may be JF-17 Block8 and then we need to change the platform any ways. If we act now then the result will be in 4 to 5 years may be later.

True but PAF doesnt seems to go that far for now.may be in a decade.

 

[raahaat7]

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The best solution for Pakistan to go directly to participate in the manufacture of FC-31

Go early to participate in this project means a lower cost to participate in the future
Combat level will be excellent and better than any other illusions because they are less risky practical application of technology
And the acquisition cost of the aircraft is acceptable financially, why enter into a new fighter designs new and larger risks

Yes, pakistan should join the fc-31 programme without delay.

 

[Cell_DbZ]

As of now, I dont think Pakistan does have the capacity to start 5th generation program (at least not on their own)
I think the Chinese J-31 would be a nice addition to the PAF instead.

 

[Riz]

As of now, I dont think Pakistan does have the capacity to start 5th generation program (at least not on their own)
I think the Chinese J-31 would be a nice addition to the PAF instead.

we should customize them with western engine, avionics and weapons

 

[Ultima Thule]

we should customize them with western engine, avionics and weapons

These items are Sanction prone

 

[jamal18]

5-gen can never be a low cost..

labor cost can be minimized but hardware and Software will be costly..

Yes.

The good part is that this involves creating a large number of highly skilled jobs, a boost for the economy. And the money stays in the country, not going abroad.

 

[malikahmed91279]

Well, in my opinion, rather then investing money on whole project, we should first build parts for aircraft, like if radars and others part, if it's so hard to get, then first start with homemade tier, body, and other component