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Sher Shah Suri intended to change the demographics of Punjab by settling Pashtuns

Persian king was the one who hosted Hamayun in exile. Ain-e-Akbari mentions that they(Gakhars) were subject of "his highness"(the king of Persia) who told them to support Hamayun against Sher Shah. I highly doubt he'd have managed to get a tribute from Adam Khan, who was facing Islam Shah Suri, a much stronger and ferocious foe than Khan Kanju. Adam Khan also had a "bloody" clash with Mughals, who were led by Kamal Khan(Adam's nephew). Akhund Darweza was Pir Roshan was it? Was Kanju alive during his time? Sometimes nationalistic historians lie about their achievements, like hindus lie how Prithviraj killed Ghauri.

As for Gakhars supporting Lodhis, there was a division between them. Tatar Khan Gakhar was a tributary of Lodhis, but his cousin Hathi Khan of Pharwala made a surprise attack on him and killed him for he wanted no such relationship with the Lodhis, and took over the Gakhar leadership. Hathi Khan was said to be a ruthless man, and it was Malik Hast Khan Janjua, who's mentioned in Baburnama and who submitted to Babur, and asked him to attack Hathi. Hathi had defeated Janjuas in a number of, said to be bloody, battles, and had also killed Malik Hast's father. Babur complied and attacked Hathi in his fort of Pharwala, but failed to kill Hathi who escaped from a chor darwaza. Hathi was later poisoned by Sarang, son of Tatar Khan and brother of Adam Khan, and thus the chiefship of Gakhars passed on to the house of Tatar once again.
Akhund Darveza was enemy of Pir Roshan , was a Yousafzai and had seen times of Khan Gaju who died in 1550s. Khan Gaju had 150,000 men under his banner from not just Khashi tribes but also tarklanris, swatis, shilmanis, gabris, tirahis, jadoons, kohistanis etc.........he lacked artillery and he failed to capture peshawar in siege which was under Mughals. But i assume Ghakkars also lacked artillary and i doubt they had they numerical strength to gather more than 1 lakh warriors. Suris wanted to establish their writ on ghakkar territory , stationed troops there, they can not be compared with tribesmen like Yousfzais who would plunder the territory or extract tribute and then return to their homes. Margalla was not under Khan Gaju but thats how far his influence extended eastward.

False !
Tribes had been coming and settling since Mahmud Ghznawi times.
The plan here was of different nature, he intended to convert Punjab into Pashtunistan........if this account of Abbas Sherwani is to be believed

Just curious, why is that? He was a ruthless man alright but he was possibly the best pashto monarch in the subcontinent.
Lodhi and Suri were very Afghan-centric empires and relied exclusively on their own kinsmen, so dont expect an anti-pashtun to appreciate positive works of Sher Shah, a Pashtun. Alaudin Khilji and Sikander Lodi also had positive achievements as well as negative attributes.

As a human being, the best Pashtun ruler was Bahlol lodi, humble, pious, forgiving, honourble man who didnt sit on throne but on carpet on equal level with others.

Just like Pashtuns have negative perception of the Mughal rulers , some communities also have grudge against Pashtun rulers of Delhi for historical reasons. For example among Muslims, Balochs hate sher shah as their power in Multan province was crushed by him, Baloch folk tales talk about their half-mythical hero King Mir chakar Rind defeating Sher Shah and drinking blood in his skull. (Mir Chakar was actually a loyal subordinate of Afghans and was petty wali of Satgarha in Okara, the defiant Baloch rebel was Medu Baloch allied with fateh Khan Jat)
 
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OP is stuck in the past and has serious butthurt against Punjabis lol. In the past you ruled over Punjabis, today Punjabis rule over you, get over it.
 
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OP is stuck in the past and has serious butthurt against Punjabis lol. In the past you ruled over Punjabis, today Punjabis rule over you, get over it.
Lame attempt by MQM-wala to spark Punjabi-vs-Pashtun trolling on the thread. Listen Qadiani, this is military-history section not siasat section, read the content posted carefully before uttering usual Gangetic non-sense. I am a regular poster in history section and this is one of the interesting bit in our history that i thought i should share, it is not thread against Punjab but about Punjab, and Sher Shah Suri.

And Pakistan is a federation and democracy, by your logic we Pashtuns are ruling over your MQM-walas as we have more NA seats in assembly.
 
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Dr.Qanungo, the historian who did famous research on Sher Shah, refutes this four wishes of him, claimed in the book authored by Abbas Sherwani who wrote "Tarikh-i-SherShahi"......i have forgotten the arguments he presented , but according to him Abbas Sherwani didnt give the reference from where and from whom he had heard these dying wishes of Sher Shah and that it is in total contrast to Sher Shah's personality to come up with such plans.......

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Not every one with Khan surname is "Pathan". The ancestors of Imran Khan, the member here, claims to be Seraiki Baloch from Punjab..................many such "Khans" in Punjab are actually converts from low castes of Hindus and belong to Karigar/kammi class

Could be Sherwani wish list lol seem to be inspired from infamous Alexander testement lmao

  • Construction of a monumental tomb for his father Philip, "to match the greatest of the pyramids of Egypt"[73]
  • Conquest of Arabia and the entire Mediterranean Basin[73]
  • Circumnavigation of Africa[73]
  • Development of cities and the "transplant of populations from Asia to Europe and in the opposite direction from Europe to Asia, in order to bring the largest continent to common unity and to friendship by means of intermarriage and family ties."[169]
Many pashtuns did settle in Punjab, mostly after 15th century.

Pathans of Punjab - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But someone please edit list and remove Kapoors and Khanas lol

Kakezai are also not punjabi-pathans but seem to be punjabi khatris.
 
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Its because most of the people in Karachi are of Indian origin and they are inventors of word khocha and Pathan jokes............

Well we can't blame them, can we?. They have their cultures and ways and we have ours. As long as they don't plot against us and our land, why should we care?.
 
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Could be Sherwani wish list lol seem to be inspired from infamous Alexander testement lmao

  • Construction of a monumental tomb for his father Philip, "to match the greatest of the pyramids of Egypt"[73]
  • Conquest of Arabia and the entire Mediterranean Basin[73]
  • Circumnavigation of Africa[73]
  • Development of cities and the "transplant of populations from Asia to Europe and in the opposite direction from Europe to Asia, in order to bring the largest continent to common unity and to friendship by means of intermarriage and family ties."[169]
Many pashtuns did settle in Punjab, mostly after 15th century.

Pathans of Punjab - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But someone please edit list and remove Kapoors and Khanas lol

Kakezai are also not punjabi-pathans but seem to be punjabi khatris.
I was not aware that Vinod Khanna was born in Peshawar. Peshawar surely has contributed a lot of Bollywood.
A female colleague from Pindi, basically urdu speaking , told me that her relatives in Pindi and Lahore consider her a Pathan. Her mother was hindkowan and she was brought up in Peshawar. Even trees of Peshawar are considered Pathans by others, it seems.

Well we can't blame them, can we?. They have their cultures and ways and we have ours. As long as they don't plot against us and our land, why should we care?.
You a Pakhtoon?........undermining an ethnicity through stereotypes and reducing them to merely joke/clown material , is a plot and conspiracy in itself......MQM members were once arrested, they were posting 500 pathan jokes per day through sms. Media and urdu literature is run by them and they on purpose have specific portrayal of Pashtuns, not normal one. Who do you think came up with Faraz jokes? (Ahmad Faraz was hindki but was mistaken as pathan by MQM-walas as he was from Kohat).....they had issues with a "Pathan" doing poetry in urdu and they even objected against him when he was appointed head of some thing related to urdu language.
 
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I was not aware that Vinod Khanna was born in Peshawar. Peshawar surely has contributed a lot of Bollywood.
A female colleague from Pindi, basically urdu speaking , told me that her relatives in Pindi and Lahore consider her a Pathan. Her mother was hindkowan and she was brought up in Peshawar. Even trees of Peshawar are considered Pathans by others, it seems.
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Well I have said this before, my mother have 3-4 hindko friends. All of them claim to be malik pathans, my mother actually don't consider them pathans because they speak hindko and not pashto. And neither couple of pashto speaking friends of my mother consider them pashtuns. But they sure do claim to be pathans, no idea if fake or real.
 
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development? by getting rid of the locals??

he only ruled 5 years and in those 5 years he never harassed anyone ... instead of this he made a route from peshawar to calcutta ..
if you ever visited his fort Rohtas you can see separate places for mosque and mandir's ...in fort his own living building wasn't that lavish ... Mughals lived so many years what they had made in subcontinent either to make gardens for wives etc ... no bridges , no navy despite of so many rivers and big ocean
 
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I was not aware that Vinod Khanna was born in Peshawar. Peshawar surely has contributed a lot of Bollywood.
A female colleague from Pindi, basically urdu speaking , told me that her relatives in Pindi and Lahore consider her a Pathan. Her mother was hindkowan and she was brought up in Peshawar. Even trees of Peshawar are considered Pathans by others, it seems.


You a Pakhtoon?........undermining an ethnicity through stereotypes and reducing them to merely joke/clown material , is a plot and conspiracy in itself......MQM members were once arrested, they were posting 500 pathan jokes per day through sms. Media and urdu literature is run by them and they on purpose have specific portrayal of Pashtuns, not normal one. Who do you think came up with Faraz jokes? (Ahmad Faraz was hindki but was mistaken as pathan by MQM-walas as he was from Kohat).....they had issues with a "Pathan" doing poetry in urdu and they even objected against him when he was appointed head of some thing related to urdu language.

Yep, my father is from Peshawar but my mom is from Islamabad, though her family is from Gilgit. MQM does this, but come on muhajirs don't. There are many muhajirs who are against this (I know it). It's their fault if they bring it to racial grounds, yes we are facing problems but they forget that we tackle them head on. Why should we give up on our nation just because of a few hooligans taking cheap shots?. But anyways I gotta go and sleep before my mom gets pissed off at me.
 
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Did you feel awkward when you used to meet your Pashtun friends with a hug?, we greet each other with hug
And a kiss on the cheeks or forehead, elders do that. But yr a ANP type pathan basically yr a khocha. Thats why i like how u think.:lol:
 
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Just a word of advice to my Pakistani brothers ....

In history we might have fought each other however that is history. We should accept it as it was. If our pashtun brothers want to take pride in their ancestors I will support them.

However what matters today is this. Pakistan is like a lion that stands on four legs. Punjab, Pashtuns, Sindhi and Baloch. For it to function it needs all those legs to work in tandem.

The army keeps this country safe and I think we all acknowledge that. We know that the army is predominantly a Punjabi-Pashtun entity. I am going to say to my Punjabi brothers could Pakistan survive without the Pashtun? Who was this son of the soil who gave his life for Pakistan?

Karnal Sher Khan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If the Pashtun's went their way Pakistan would lose Khyber Pakhtunkwa. What would be left of Pakistan at some points would be less than 100 miles wide. India could slice Pakistan like knife through butter. Pakistan would lose most of the Indus River and large parts of Punjab would dry up and starvation would set in. The army would lose all it's Pashtun component.

To the Punjabi's I ask is this what you want?

To the Pashtun I say - Please have a look at the state our Pashtun brothers are in Afghanistan. Many afghan's blame Pakistan. That is rubbish. Nobody can create dischord unless you allow it to happen or you have weakness in the first place. When the Red Army invade Afghanistan in 1979 whose fault was that? The 10 year war that destroyed Afghanistan was whose fault.

The Tajik's, Uzkeks hate Pashtun. You know they killed many Pashtun's to settle scores with them. Find out about the Kunduz Massacre. As Pashtun I think you already would know. Millions of Pashtun's ran to Pakistan as refuge. So the reality is Pakistani Pashtun are far better off then their brothers in Afghanistan.

To both Punjabi and Pashtun I say - both of you are the senior people in this federation called Pakistan. Both Punjabi and Pashtun are the backbone of Pakistan. So show some sense and maturity. You can have differances. I notice Welsh and English have lot of rivalry and make jokes about each other. In history they fought against each other. However today they are united under the banner of 'Great Britain' along with Scots and Irish.

To the Mohajir's I say -

You guy's have to get off your high horse. This Pakistan is not your property. You may have agitated most for Pakistan. That was because you were most at risk because you were minority from where you came from. So it is not surprising that you were terrified because you lived in a ocean of Hindu's. So you did this for yourself. You did it to save your skins. The Pashtun, Punjabi, Sindhi and Baloch were majority on their own land. In their land it was the Hindu who was in danger.

However never forget one simple fact. You can dream all you like, you can agitate all you like but all you would have had is "castle in air" Pakistan. To build a house you need land. You can have the best architectural plan but without land you cannot even build a shed.

Pakistan was made out of Sindhi, Punjabi, Baloch and Pashtun land. Never forget this fact. Before Pakistan came along there already was Punjab with Lahore as capital, Sindh with Karachi as capital, NWFP with Peshawar as capital and Balochistan with Quetta.

In 1947 the Sindhi hosted you. It was their land you settled on. It was their capital city you moved into in such large numbers the host became a minority.. You need to give up your 'Mohajir' staus and accept your hosts. You were guests and can't force the host to change their ways. You have to integrate and become new Sindhi's.

Do not act like Jews in Palestine. Like settlers in a land where the original people are turned into minority and the guest acts with impunity. You cannot treat 'Karachi' like the way Jews treat Jerusalem as your 'promised land'. Karach is not yours. You were guests and have no more right to it then any other migrants from Pakistan be they Pashtun or Punjabi.

Never forget this. Sindhi's voted for Pakistan, they did not vote for losing their Karachi.

Edit: Let Punjabi, Pashtun, Baloch and Sindhi celebrate their identity, culture and history as long as they all tie it togather into one rope - Pakistan. This amalgam made of four peoples will make a strong Pakistan.
 
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