Shaheen Scramble

[YeBeWarned]

the only time i saw 2x JF thunders flying in formation was at 28th morning ..

 

[Windjammer]

Let me make it easy for our in house experts and critics.
When aircraft are launched individually or in pairs, this is how they are positioned at the runway not as in line abreast as in OP.

 

[Raider 21]

yes you are right. if i havent seen such a formation take off of PAF F-16s it doesnt mean they dont do such kind of things but you know seeing is believing. have seen a video of two PAF F-16s rolling down the runway though but not 4 yet. it would be great to watch. there are videos of 3-4 T37s and K 8s of sherdil formation taking off.
as far as indian su 30 are concerned some indian member uploaded a video of su 30s taking off for some night training mission and all 4 of them were not even lined up on the main runway strip. when one took off the other one then taxied to the main runway and then kicked off. as compare to NATO or PAF they took lot of time.

The Thunderbirds do a 4 ship takeoff for their demonstrations. So do the Black Knights. But 4 ship takeoff during operational training and operational flying is far fetched from what I'm aware of, especially on the F-16.

 

[litman]

The Thunderbirds do a 4 ship takeoff for their demonstrations. So do the Black Knights. But 4 ship takeoff during operational training and operational flying is far fetched from what I'm aware of, especially on the F-16.

the aerobatic display teams use this for making an impression on crowd as generally on air shows crowd is gathered around the runway for watching the show unlike our aerobatics on 23rd march and graduation parades at PAF academy. i only got a chance to see an air show right at the runway at risalpur back in 97 i think when red arrows came to paksitan but because of the poor visibility that day they greatly cut down many of their maneuvres.

Let me make it easy for our in house experts and critics.
When aircraft are launched individually or in pairs, this is how they are positioned at the runway not as in line abreast as in OP.
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if you look carefully at the pic of the F-16s it seems that the aircrafts no 1 and 3 (from the left) are behind air crafts 2 and 4. the "aspect ratio" is not same. . just doing the job of opposition here.

 

[Adam_Khan]

Airforces around the globe carryout inter squadron manoeuvres and participate in multinational oversea exercises to hone their skills and polish their tactics. Amongst other practices the main focus is also given to scramble time of air assets. The goal involves, in any emergency to have sufficient number of aircraft in air in minimum time to meet any challenge.
Ironically, USAF and RAF were both dismayed at the tactics adopted by the Indian Airforce while scrambling it's SU-30s during Red Flag and Indra Danush series of exercises. The IAF has adopted the policy of launching as far as SU-30s are concerned, individually with a gap of 60 Seconds while other participants would often carry out formation take-offs and landings.
I was inclined to check how the PAF carries out it's scrambles and discovered the same procedure as NATO or Western air arms. It not only carries out formation scrambles and landings but also practices with four ship abreast formation take-off.

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Sorry dear but line abreast take offs by 4 aircraft are not done in Paf.

 

[Windjammer]

if you look carefully at the pic of the F-16s it seems that the aircrafts no 1 and 3 (from the left) are behind air crafts 2 and 4. the "aspect ratio" is not same. . just doing the job of opposition here.

Actually it's in our nature to become experts .
As i said if that was the case, you wouldn't see all the nose wheel lights glaring.

Sorry dear but line abreast take offs by 4 aircraft are not done in Paf.

It may not be their usual practice but certainly experimented.

 

[TheTallGuy]

I have heard this regarding scrambles ...is it possible?

"the most hair raising scrambles are done by Taiwanese airforce two aircraft on each side of Runway one pair taking of with the wind and other pair taking of opposite wind. same runway mere seconds a part."

Mind you these operational hops... fully armed ADA scrambles...

Any truth to it? is it doable?

 

[Adam_Khan]

Actually it's in our nature to become experts .
As i said if that was the case, you wouldn't see all the nose wheel lights glaring.


It may not be their usual practice but certainly experimented.

At the best 2 aircraft tend to do formation take offs and landings,nothing beyond that.

 

[Raider 21]

Actually it's in our nature to become experts .
As i said if that was the case, you wouldn't see all the nose wheel lights glaring.


It may not be their usual practice but certainly experimented.

Not experimented with F-16s in PAF.

 

[Windjammer]

Not experimented with F-16s in PAF.

Folks can be in denial all they want, i know what i have seen.
They even done it with F-86s before we were born. cheers.

 

[Raider 21]

Folks can be in denial all they want, i know what i have seen.
They even done it with F-86s before we were born. cheers.

And I wrote F-16s sir. Now you may wish for that scenario that's another thought, but for now in regards to the description regarding the 4 ship line abreast formation takeoff, it is unheard of amongst PAF F-16 pilots

 

[Blacklight]

And I wrote F-16s sir. Now you may wish for that scenario that's another thought, but for now in regards to the description regarding the 4 ship line abreast formation takeoff, it is unheard of amongst PAF F-16 pilots

Dear Sir,

I understand you have good knowledge on said subject, but there are some people whom you should give the benefit of doubt. Windjammer being at the top of the list.

Thank You

 

[Windjammer]

And I wrote F-16s sir. Now you may wish for that scenario that's another thought, but for now in regards to the description regarding the 4 ship line abreast formation takeoff, it is unheard of amongst PAF F-16 pilots

And its not according to my wish what appears in OP and those may i remind you are F-16s.

 

[khail007]

JF-17 Tunders in Tandem Landing.

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Very unique and beautiful sound effect when passing by the camera ... !

 

[araz]

Bhai I just recalled you had told me about this. One of the Indian SU-30 had to embarrassingly break the formation.

Wo jee Pilot ko raat khai hui daal mehngi par gaye to SU saheb broke the formation. Sorry could not resist
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