Sensitive Data of Indian Navy’s Scorpene Class Submarines Leaked

[Oldman1]

Even if USA has not leaked this, they/you still stand to gain most from undermining ofFrench reputation, iff leak is substantial and from inside DCNS.

Your counterpoints only pertain to why USA would not leak the information.

Thats just dumb. Don't blame on the U.S. for this leak. We have not much to gain on this. Especially when other countries like China could apply some of the technology that could make their submarines dangerous with French or other foreign tech being used in this submarine.

 

[A_Poster]

Thats just dumb. Don't blame on the U.S. for this leak. We have not much to gain on this. Especially when other countries like China could apply some of the technology that could make their submarines dangerous with French or other foreign tech being used in this submarine.

There is nothing dumb in what I stated.

I did not insinuate that USA had leaked the data. What I did was to make a conjecture that USA (its MIC) stands to gain most from this leak, irrespective of whether USA has a hand in this leak or not.

 

[Roybot]

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAJ: LoLz! That’s another piece of classic yellow journalism. For, the Scorpene has never served in the warm waters of the IOR & therefore there exists no database of the recorded operating parameters of the Scorpene while operating in such waters. Therefore, at bet what may have leaked out are the standard specs which are not secret by any stretch of imagination. The actual operating parameters will become available only after the first-of-type Scorpene enters service with the IN & logs in 18 months of service.

I wonder in what water do the Malaysian Scorpenes operate in then! We should stop trying to downplay this issue.

@Nilgiri


The highest authorities are investigating the case,but it seems like the datas were taken out of France in 2011 by a former Navy officer,that was back then a contractor for DCNS. The documents could have landed in some south east asia companies' hands before landing in Australia... So,everyone is implying that it's the indians that leaked all of this. @Blue Marlin

Investigations will tell everything.

Who is implying that the Indians leaked all this? Except for the French of course!

It was stolen by a former French Navy Officer, contractor for DCNS a French company and documents landed in some "South east Asian" companies' hand. Where did you get India from all this?

In case you didn't know, India is not a South East Asian country! South East Asian country would be your Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Singapore! Now who operates Scorpene in that region? Malaysia! And who feels threatened by Malaysia in that particular region?

 

[Nike]

If only people know whats written really

First the article
++++
Our French submarine builder in massive leak scandal

The Indian Navy’s first Scorpene submarine in Mumbai last year.

• The Australian
• 12:00AM August 24, 2016
• CAMERON STEWART
• 
  Associate Editor
  Melbourne
  @camstewarttheoz

The French company that won the bid to design Australia’s new $50 billion submarine fleet has suffered a massive leak of secret documents, raising fears about the future security of top-secret data on the navy’s future fleet.

The stunning leak, which runs to 22,400 pages and has been seen by The Australian, details the entire secret combat capability of the six Scorpene-class submarines that French shipbuilder DCNS has designed for the Indian Navy.

A variant of the same French-designed Scorpene is also used by the navies of Malaysia, Chile and, from 2018, Brazil, so news of the Edward Snowden-sized leak — revealed today — will trigger alarm at the highest level in these countries. Marked “Restricted Scorpene India”, the DCNS documents detail the most sensitive combat capabilities of India’s new $US3 bn ($3.9bn) submarine fleet and would provide an intelligence bonanza if obtained by India’s strategic rivals, such as Pakistan or China.

The leak will spark grave concern in Australia and especially in the US where senior navy officials have privately expressed fears about the security of top-secret data entrusted to France.

In April DCNS, which is two-thirds owned by the French government, won the hotly contested bid over Germany and Japan to design 12 new submarines for Australia. Its proposed submarine for Australia — the yet-to-be-built Shortfin Barracuda — was chosen ahead of its rivals because it was considered to be the quietest in the water, making it perfectly suited to intelligence-gathering operations against China and others in the region.

Any stealth advantage for the navy’s new submarines would be gravely compromised if data on its planned combat and performance capabilities was leaked in the same manner as the data from the Scorpene. The leaked DCNS data details the secret stealth capabilities of the six new Indian submarines, including what frequencies they gather intelligence at, what levels of noise they make at various speeds and their diving depths, range and endurance — all sensitive information that is highly classified. The data tells the submarine crew where on the boat they can speak safely to avoid detection by the enemy. It also discloses magnetic, electromagnetic and infra-red data as well as the specifications of the submarine’s torpedo launch system and the combat system.

It details the speed and conditions needed for using the periscope, the noise specifications of the propeller and the radiated noise levels that occur when the submarine surfaces.

The data seen by The Australian includes 4457 pages on the submarine’s underwater sensors, 4209 pages on its above-water sensors, 4301 pages on its combat management system, 493 pages on its torpedo launch system and specifications, 6841 pages on the sub’s communications system and 2138 on its navigation systems.

The Australian has chosen to redact sensitive information from the documents.

Sea trials for the first of India’s six Scorpene submarines began in May. The project is running four years behind schedule.

The Indian Navy has boasted that its Scorpene submarines have superior stealth features, which give them a major advantage against other submarines.

The US will be alarmed by the leak of the DCNS data because Australia hopes to install an American combat system — with the latest US stealth technology — in the French Shortfin Barracuda.

If Washington does not feel confident that its “crown jewels’’ of stealth technology can be protected, it may decline to give Australia its state-of-the-art combat system.

DCNS yesterday sought to reassure Australians that the leak of the data on the Indian Scorpene submarine would not happen with its proposed submarine for Australia. The company also implied — but did not say directly — that the leak might have occurred at India’s end, rather than from France. “Uncontrolled technical data is not possible in the Australian arrangements,” the company said. “Multiple and independent controls exist within DCNS to prevent unauthorised access to data and all data movements are encrypted and recorded. In the case of India, where a DCNS design is built by a local company, DCNS is the provider and not the controller of technical data.

“In the case of Australia, and unlike India, DCNS is both the provider and in-country controller of technical data for the full chain of transmission and usage over the life of the submarines.”

However, The Australian has been told that the data on the Scorpene was written in France for India in 2011 and is suspected of being removed from France in that same year by a former French Navy officer who was at that time a DCNS subcontractor.

The data is then believed to have been taken to a company in Southeast Asia, possibly to assist in a commercial venture for a regional navy.

It was subsequently passed by a third party to a second company in the region before being sent on a data disk by regular mail to a company in Australia. It is unclear how widely the data has been shared in Asia or whether it has been obtained by foreign intelligence agencies.

The data seen by The Australian also includes separate confidential DCNS files on plans to sell French frigates to Chile and the French sale of the Mistral-class amphibious assault ship carrier to Russia. These DCNS projects have no link to India, which adds weight to the probability that the data files were removed from DCNS in France.

DCNS Australia this month signed a deed of agreement with the Defence Department, paving the way for talks over the contract which will guide the design phase of the new submarines. The government plans to build 12 submarines in Adelaide to replace the six-boat Collins-class fleet from the early 2030s. The Shortfin Barracuda will be a slightly shorter, conventionally powered version of France’s new fleet of Barracuda-class nuclear submarines.

Restricted data

The secret information the leaked documents reveal:

• The stealth capabilities of the six new Indian Scorpene submarines
• The frequencies at which the subs gather intelligence
• The levels of noise the subs make at various speeds
• Diving depths, range and endurance
• Magnetic, electromagnetic and infra-red data
• Specifications of the submarine’s torpedo launch system and the combat system
• Speed and conditions needed for using the periscope
• Propeller’s noise specifications
• Radiated noise levels when the submarine surfaces
++++

Whats the data leaked really and whats the preview the newspaper gave out..
View attachment 328351

thats the cover of 1st PDF it has attached to showcase reference

What do you expect technical manuals to have within? Of course technical side of how to operate and troubleshoot basic things..

Buy any electronic device even an apple iphone, wont you get technical manuals? yes a repair guy would have more detailed circuit board level stuff but that is for trouble shooting.. and Manuals dont have circuits.. its basically process of how to operate and what to do in case its a trouble/issue.. teh flowchart of steps really.. not for building a sub with details of metallurgy or so called other technological stuff which can be replicated..

the second pdf talks about acoustic noise under certain conditions (lol sea state 1 meaning super calm bright sunny weather with no problems) noise levels in different compartment. Smartass folks forget the sub testing is done to check acoustic noise seen within individual compartments during sea trials to see if build of the sub matches with the laid out details or not and thus acoustic noise is measured for each portion in different conditions. So if we measure X, will not be there a reference to check and say yes it conforms to the build quality as laid and contracted by DCNS with GOI.. These are called as guaranteed noise levels... anything beyond those levels and sub goes back to do more insulation and may not get quality certification iuf consistently it breaches those guaranteed stuff for anything and everything..

the third part and biggest chunk, comprising of 2342 pages and are actually documentation manual of the parts and training documents.

In simple words, if i get documentation manuals, technical manuals and training manuals can i build scorpene sub? Can i reverse engineer it? Can i compromise, cripple and make scorpene sub useless?

Its height of stupidity really.. yes someone leaked but again its not really the core critical stuff.. We must plug the leak source but The Australian is using the vested interest angle to rub DCNS in a wrong way.. The way it is, its clear they dont want DCNS to ink the contract of SEA1000. Perhaps this might turn out to be a case of yellow journalism with intentional espionage and leakage by Rivals of DCNS.

As far as India is concerned, these manuals are written in 2010-2011.. Kalavari is on sea trials now.. You know even for LCA tejas there will be 5000 pages of technical manuals.. its for pilots training, for basic repair crew etc.. same its for sailors and crew.. Nothing so sensitive is shared in manuals in the first place.. mostly the doc set of captain may have sensitive some frequencies for communication but that is never going to be shared with normal manuals nor codes for torpedo launch or sensitive Battle Management system codes etc..

This is a clear case of poor attempt to drag a company to score brownie points (Anti Turnbull group) and use DCNS and India names to glorify the case and grab eyeballs.. Thats my assessment after going through the prelim data ..

Tagging the whole world.. its time such news items are given the right place.. sensationalism at its best..

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the data goes to Indonesian shipbuilder PT Pal, as part of DCNS efforts to win the next tender of Indonesian subs programme

 

[Gregor Clegane]

Indian Navy spokesperson rejects any leak of sensitive information of Scorpene submarines.
Saying that the data which was leaked is basically what DCNS supplied to all countries to which it offered to sell Scorpene's.
It is somewhat of an equivalent to a brochure for military products.
-IANS

 

[Nilgiri]

Indian Navy spokesperson rejects any leak of sensitive information of Scorpene submarines.
Saying that the data which was leaked is basically what DCNS supplied to all countries to which it offered to sell Scorpene's.
It is somewhat of an equivalent to a brochure for military products.
-IANS

If this is true, my initial suspicions are correct

@PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy @Vergennes

Though it could be a temporary coverup for the time being to provide smokescreen for the detailed investigation of the breech and what it exactly involved.

 

[bloo]

French sub data leak 'no bearing' on Aust
AAP on August 24, 2016, 10:06 am

A leak of secret documents has no bearing on a French build of Australia's new submarine fleet.
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A leak of secret documents has no bearing on a French build of Australia's new $50 billion submarine fleet, the federal government insists.

Nevertheless, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull says any leak of classified information a concern.

The leaked documents, seen by The Australian, run to 22,400 pages and detail the secret combat capability of six Scorpene-class submarines French shipbuilder DCNS designed for the Indian Navy.

In April, DCNS won a hotly-contested tender over Germany and Japan to design 12 new submarines for Australia.

The Shortfin Barracuda was chosen because of its quietness, which is suited to water-based intelligence-gathering operations.

The leak raises concerns that information about the submarines, and the latest US stealth technology, might not be secure.

"The submarine that they are building for India is not submarine they are building for Australia. It is a completely different submarine," Mr Turnbull told the Seven Network on Wednesday.

Defence has told the government the reported leak had no bearing Australia's submarine program.

"The Future Submarine Program operates under stringent security requirements,," Defence Industry Minister Christopher Pyne said in a statement.

"The same requirements apply to the protection of all sensitive information and technical data for the Collins class submarines, and have operated successfully for decades."

Mr Turnbull said the leak was a reminder of the critical importance of cyber security in the modern digital world.

DCNS told News Corp "uncontrolled technical data is not possible in the Australian arrangements". It implied - but did not confirm - the leak was on the Indian side.

But The Australian said it'd been told the Scorpene data was suspected of being removed from France in 2011 by a former French Navy officer who was a DCNS subcontractor.

South Australian senator Nick Xenophon intends to pursue the the matter when parliament returns next week.

"This is really quite disastrous," he told ABC radio.


https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/32423489/french-sub-builder-data-leak-of-concern/?cmp=st#page1


So what does that mean?
Are the Austrailans getting the better ones or are we?

 

[Gregor Clegane]

@bloo
Australians are basically getting the Merlin class variant, which is what French offered India for P-75i

 

[cerberus]

French sub data leak 'no bearing' on Aust
AAP on August 24, 2016, 10:06 am

A leak of secret documents has no bearing on a French build of Australia's new submarine fleet.
SHARE TWEET EMAIL
A leak of secret documents has no bearing on a French build of Australia's new $50 billion submarine fleet, the federal government insists.

Nevertheless, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull says any leak of classified information a concern.

The leaked documents, seen by The Australian, run to 22,400 pages and detail the secret combat capability of six Scorpene-class submarines French shipbuilder DCNS designed for the Indian Navy.

In April, DCNS won a hotly-contested tender over Germany and Japan to design 12 new submarines for Australia.

The Shortfin Barracuda was chosen because of its quietness, which is suited to water-based intelligence-gathering operations.

The leak raises concerns that information about the submarines, and the latest US stealth technology, might not be secure.

"The submarine that they are building for India is not submarine they are building for Australia. It is a completely different submarine," Mr Turnbull told the Seven Network on Wednesday.

Defence has told the government the reported leak had no bearing Australia's submarine program.

"The Future Submarine Program operates under stringent security requirements,," Defence Industry Minister Christopher Pyne said in a statement.

"The same requirements apply to the protection of all sensitive information and technical data for the Collins class submarines, and have operated successfully for decades."

Mr Turnbull said the leak was a reminder of the critical importance of cyber security in the modern digital world.

DCNS told News Corp "uncontrolled technical data is not possible in the Australian arrangements". It implied - but did not confirm - the leak was on the Indian side.

But The Australian said it'd been told the Scorpene data was suspected of being removed from France in 2011 by a former French Navy officer who was a DCNS subcontractor.

South Australian senator Nick Xenophon intends to pursue the the matter when parliament returns next week.

"This is really quite disastrous," he told ABC radio.


https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/32423489/french-sub-builder-data-leak-of-concern/?cmp=st#page1


So what does that mean?
Are the Austrailans getting the better ones or are we?

Paying 50 billion $ what you expected

 

[MastanKhan]

If only people know whats written really

First the article
++++
Our French submarine builder in massive leak scandal

The Indian Navy’s first Scorpene submarine in Mumbai last year.

• The Australian
• 12:00AM August 24, 2016
• CAMERON STEWART
• 
  Associate Editor
  Melbourne
  @camstewarttheoz

The French company that won the bid to design Australia’s new $50 billion submarine fleet has suffered a massive leak of secret documents, raising fears about the future security of top-secret data on the navy’s future fleet.

The stunning leak, which runs to 22,400 pages and has been seen by The Australian, details the entire secret combat capability of the six Scorpene-class submarines that French shipbuilder DCNS has designed for the Indian Navy.

A variant of the same French-designed Scorpene is also used by the navies of Malaysia, Chile and, from 2018, Brazil, so news of the Edward Snowden-sized leak — revealed today — will trigger alarm at the highest level in these countries. Marked “Restricted Scorpene India”, the DCNS documents detail the most sensitive combat capabilities of India’s new $US3 bn ($3.9bn) submarine fleet and would provide an intelligence bonanza if obtained by India’s strategic rivals, such as Pakistan or China.

The leak will spark grave concern in Australia and especially in the US where senior navy officials have privately expressed fears about the security of top-secret data entrusted to France.

In April DCNS, which is two-thirds owned by the French government, won the hotly contested bid over Germany and Japan to design 12 new submarines for Australia. Its proposed submarine for Australia — the yet-to-be-built Shortfin Barracuda — was chosen ahead of its rivals because it was considered to be the quietest in the water, making it perfectly suited to intelligence-gathering operations against China and others in the region.

Any stealth advantage for the navy’s new submarines would be gravely compromised if data on its planned combat and performance capabilities was leaked in the same manner as the data from the Scorpene. The leaked DCNS data details the secret stealth capabilities of the six new Indian submarines, including what frequencies they gather intelligence at, what levels of noise they make at various speeds and their diving depths, range and endurance — all sensitive information that is highly classified. The data tells the submarine crew where on the boat they can speak safely to avoid detection by the enemy. It also discloses magnetic, electromagnetic and infra-red data as well as the specifications of the submarine’s torpedo launch system and the combat system.

It details the speed and conditions needed for using the periscope, the noise specifications of the propeller and the radiated noise levels that occur when the submarine surfaces.

The data seen by The Australian includes 4457 pages on the submarine’s underwater sensors, 4209 pages on its above-water sensors, 4301 pages on its combat management system, 493 pages on its torpedo launch system and specifications, 6841 pages on the sub’s communications system and 2138 on its navigation systems.

The Australian has chosen to redact sensitive information from the documents.

Sea trials for the first of India’s six Scorpene submarines began in May. The project is running four years behind schedule.

The Indian Navy has boasted that its Scorpene submarines have superior stealth features, which give them a major advantage against other submarines.

The US will be alarmed by the leak of the DCNS data because Australia hopes to install an American combat system — with the latest US stealth technology — in the French Shortfin Barracuda.

If Washington does not feel confident that its “crown jewels’’ of stealth technology can be protected, it may decline to give Australia its state-of-the-art combat system.

DCNS yesterday sought to reassure Australians that the leak of the data on the Indian Scorpene submarine would not happen with its proposed submarine for Australia. The company also implied — but did not say directly — that the leak might have occurred at India’s end, rather than from France. “Uncontrolled technical data is not possible in the Australian arrangements,” the company said. “Multiple and independent controls exist within DCNS to prevent unauthorised access to data and all data movements are encrypted and recorded. In the case of India, where a DCNS design is built by a local company, DCNS is the provider and not the controller of technical data.

“In the case of Australia, and unlike India, DCNS is both the provider and in-country controller of technical data for the full chain of transmission and usage over the life of the submarines.”

However, The Australian has been told that the data on the Scorpene was written in France for India in 2011 and is suspected of being removed from France in that same year by a former French Navy officer who was at that time a DCNS subcontractor.

The data is then believed to have been taken to a company in Southeast Asia, possibly to assist in a commercial venture for a regional navy.

It was subsequently passed by a third party to a second company in the region before being sent on a data disk by regular mail to a company in Australia. It is unclear how widely the data has been shared in Asia or whether it has been obtained by foreign intelligence agencies.

The data seen by The Australian also includes separate confidential DCNS files on plans to sell French frigates to Chile and the French sale of the Mistral-class amphibious assault ship carrier to Russia. These DCNS projects have no link to India, which adds weight to the probability that the data files were removed from DCNS in France.

DCNS Australia this month signed a deed of agreement with the Defence Department, paving the way for talks over the contract which will guide the design phase of the new submarines. The government plans to build 12 submarines in Adelaide to replace the six-boat Collins-class fleet from the early 2030s. The Shortfin Barracuda will be a slightly shorter, conventionally powered version of France’s new fleet of Barracuda-class nuclear submarines.

Restricted data

The secret information the leaked documents reveal:

• The stealth capabilities of the six new Indian Scorpene submarines
• The frequencies at which the subs gather intelligence
• The levels of noise the subs make at various speeds
• Diving depths, range and endurance
• Magnetic, electromagnetic and infra-red data
• Specifications of the submarine’s torpedo launch system and the combat system
• Speed and conditions needed for using the periscope
• Propeller’s noise specifications
• Radiated noise levels when the submarine surfaces
++++

Whats the data leaked really and whats the preview the newspaper gave out..
View attachment 328351

thats the cover of 1st PDF it has attached to showcase reference

What do you expect technical manuals to have within? Of course technical side of how to operate and troubleshoot basic things..

Buy any electronic device even an apple iphone, wont you get technical manuals? yes a repair guy would have more detailed circuit board level stuff but that is for trouble shooting.. and Manuals dont have circuits.. its basically process of how to operate and what to do in case its a trouble/issue.. teh flowchart of steps really.. not for building a sub with details of metallurgy or so called other technological stuff which can be replicated..

the second pdf talks about acoustic noise under certain conditions (lol sea state 1 meaning super calm bright sunny weather with no problems) noise levels in different compartment. Smartass folks forget the sub testing is done to check acoustic noise seen within individual compartments during sea trials to see if build of the sub matches with the laid out details or not and thus acoustic noise is measured for each portion in different conditions. So if we measure X, will not be there a reference to check and say yes it conforms to the build quality as laid and contracted by DCNS with GOI.. These are called as guaranteed noise levels... anything beyond those levels and sub goes back to do more insulation and may not get quality certification iuf consistently it breaches those guaranteed stuff for anything and everything..

the third part and biggest chunk, comprising of 2342 pages and are actually documentation manual of the parts and training documents.

In simple words, if i get documentation manuals, technical manuals and training manuals can i build scorpene sub? Can i reverse engineer it? Can i compromise, cripple and make scorpene sub useless?

Its height of stupidity really.. yes someone leaked but again its not really the core critical stuff.. We must plug the leak source but The Australian is using the vested interest angle to rub DCNS in a wrong way.. The way it is, its clear they dont want DCNS to ink the contract of SEA1000. Perhaps this might turn out to be a case of yellow journalism with intentional espionage and leakage by Rivals of DCNS.

As far as India is concerned, these manuals are written in 2010-2011.. Kalavari is on sea trials now.. You know even for LCA tejas there will be 5000 pages of technical manuals.. its for pilots training, for basic repair crew etc.. same its for sailors and crew.. Nothing so sensitive is shared in manuals in the first place.. mostly the doc set of captain may have sensitive some frequencies for communication but that is never going to be shared with normal manuals nor codes for torpedo launch or sensitive Battle Management system codes etc..

This is a clear case of poor attempt to drag a company to score brownie points (Anti Turnbull group) and use DCNS and India names to glorify the case and grab eyeballs.. Thats my assessment after going through the prelim data ..

Tagging the whole world.. its time such news items are given the right place.. sensationalism at its best..

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Hi,
This article is a WHITE WASH---the information leaked is CRTICAL to the enemy---and worthless to the general public.

No such information of any sub has ever leaked out prior to this---.

 

[cerberus]

Hi,
This article is a WHITE WASH---the information leaked is CRTICAL to the enemy---and worthless to the general public.

No such information of any sub has ever leaked out prior to this---.

No it's not
For example there many things which are technically wrong

Such frequency on which sub gather Intelligence it purely depends upon depth and variety operations it can be modified

As for noise details it also random and depend upon area of operations

These are common in cooperate espionage

As other information leaked it already happened many times during cold war days

Even last year sensitive data was leaked from Kremlin of Russia latest Nuclear submarine

But that couldn't stop the projects

http://www.globalresearch.ca/secret...-new-nuclear-submarine-weapons-system/5488692

 

[Mukunda Murthi Rao]

Documents detailing the secret combat capabilities of Scorpene-class submarines that French shipbuilder DCNS has designed for the Indian Navy have been leaked, and could prove to a bonanza for India’s rivals such as Pakistan, according to an Australian media report on Tuesday.

The leak, running to 22,400 pages, will trigger alarm at the highest level in countries that operate a variant of the Scorpene, or have ordered the submarine, including Malaysia, Chile and Brazil, The Australian newspaper reported.

India has ordered six Scorpene-class submarines in a deal worth $3 billion. The first of the submarines built at the Mazagon Docks in Mumbai began sea trials in May.

“Marked ‘Restricted Scorpene India’, the DCNS documents detail the most sensitive combat capabilities of India’s new $US3 bn…submarine fleet and would provide an intelligence bonanza if obtained by India’s strategic rivals, such as Pakistan or China,” the report said.

“The leak will spark grave concern in Australia and especially in the US, where senior navy officials have privately expressed fears about the security of top-secret data entrusted to France,” it added.

DCNS also won a bid in April to design Australia’s new $50 billion submarine fleet, and the report said the leak could affect the security of top-secret data on the submarines. DCNS, which is two-thirds owned by the French government, will design 12 new submarines for Australia.

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“Any stealth advantage for the (Australian) navy’s new submarines would be gravely compromised if data on its planned combat and performance capabilities was leaked in the same manner as the data from the Scorpene,” the report said.

The leaked DCNS documents detail key secret stealth capabilities of the Indian submarines, including sensitive and highly classified information such as

* what frequencies the submarines gather intelligence at, what levels of noise they make at various speeds, as well as their diving depths, range and endurance

* where on the submarine the crew can speak safely to avoid detection by the enemy

* magnetic, electromagnetic and infra-red data, and the specifications of the submarine’s torpedo launch system and combat system

* the speed and conditions needed for using the periscope, noise specifications of the propeller and radiated noise levels that occur when the submarine surfaces.

The Australian reported it had seen 4,457 pages on the Scorpene’s underwater sensors, 4,209 pages on its above-water sensors, 4,301 pages on its combat management system, 493 pages on its torpedo launch system and specifications, 6,841 pages on the communications system and 2,138 on its navigation systems.

The newspaper redacted sensitive information from some documents it posted on its website.

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The report said DCNS had sought to reassure Australians that the leak of data on the Indian submarine would not happen with its proposed submarine for Australia. “The company also implied — but did not say directly — that the leak might have occurred at India’s end, rather than from France,” it said.

“Multiple and independent controls exist within DCNS to prevent unauthorised access to data and all data movements are encrypted and recorded. In the case of India, where a DCNS design is built by a local company, DCNS is the provider and not the controller of technical data,” DCNS was quoted as saying by the daily.

“In the case of Australia, and unlike India, DCNS is both the provider and in-country controller of technical data for the full chain of transmission and usage over the life of the submarines.”

However, The Australian learnt that the data on the Scorpene was written in France for India in 2011 and is suspected of being removed from France in that same year by a former French Navy officer who was at that time a DCNS subcontractor. The data is then believed to have been taken to a company in Southeast Asia, possibly to assist in a commercial venture for a regional navy.

“It was subsequently passed by a third party to a second company in the region before being sent on a data disk by regular mail to a company in Australia. It is unclear how widely the data has been shared in Asia or whether it has been obtained by foreign intelligence agencies,” the report said.

http://m.hindustantimes.com/india-n...aked-report/story-PqS96Ob4G5tGY088F07tzH.html

 

[SUDIP]

If true it largely gonna effect the Scorpene program. The follow on order may be in risk now. If true it could dent the Indo-French partnership in submarine business in a big way. If all of the above will occur, then only a new GOV in France can make all these better again. But everywhere there is a big IF.

This shouldn't do any bad to the already precarious Rafael. I am worrying bcoz the way MOD is now dealing with the Rafael deal.
@PARIKRAMA what is your take ? Is it going to effect Rafael ? But one thing is getting factual day by day, that French are pretty much incompetent in dealing with Indian MOD.

 

[Eminent Mainstream Media]

the data goes to Indonesian shipbuilder PT Pal, as part of DCNS efforts to win the next tender of Indonesian subs programme

They can now say good bye to all tenders now- India was supposed to order 3 more of these subs- now I don't think Australia, Indonesia or any country will buy from them-

It is cut throat competition and you have to be careful- can't blame the competitors for leaking-

 

[SmilingBuddha]