Selex ES radar & other technology on JF-17?

[MastanKhan]

I though only bloody civilian that stupid, buy u seem to be an X' PAFi

Ggg





I though only bloody civilian that stupid, buy u seem to be an X' PAFi

Ggg




i would have thought only bloody civilians could be that stupid, you seem to be X' PAF and still quiet reactive, spiteful and incendiary in your comments. in the hind sight every planning looks faulty.
JF-17 is one strategic decision made by PAF, it will help Pakistan a long way in meeting fighter requirements. Other members have given enough args and history.
i will agree on Yes Sir mentality, but that's how Pak Military functions. there should civilian engineers and managers at PAC to bring another angle and talent from open market.

regardng Rafael, Pak never had that much money to buy 4-5 squdrons even in tranches.

PAF should go for SU-35 for heavy fighter/bomber and then for 5th Gen platform like J31 if chinese do keep developing and induct it. in the meanwhile Thunder is good enough to replace vintage mig-21 incarnations and mirage III/IV which are dropping like lead weights.

Hi,

It only needed a sqdrn to start with and then added another sqdrn later---just like the egyptians---.

The thunder maybe good enough to replace the vintage aircraft---but a nation does not get aircraft to replace older aircraft---but---rather to get the right aircraft to fight and win against the enemy aircraft for the war that you are going to enter into now---.

You people never use this principal in your daily lives with your families---it is just like you have a family with 2 children and you go out and buy a 2 seater Mazda Miata .

And I am no ex paf---.

 

[wiseone2]

JF-17 is a victim of unrealistic expectations. Procuring the thunder was not a mistake, and never will be. The JF-17 was always meant to be a light fighter to replace the legacy fleet. The blame should fall on those who led Pakistan to become overly reliant on the US, a transactional relationship that was not to stand the test of time. The JF-17 did everything it was asked to do, how could it be blamed for the decline of the PAF's qualitative edge vis-a-vis India?

While Pakistan is reliant on America tell us what choices does pakistan have

 

[MastanKhan]

Dear Sir, perhaps u did n't know that PA chiefs more or less came after informal approvals of many powers, including USA ( as many predict). Our Army leadership in Mushy era was itself divided in pro and anti western blocks.Now facts show and as per accounts of some Musharaf's own subordinates was perhaps acting like a puppet for USA.

We were much suppressed rather then being in commanding position, drones were roaming freely and Jacobbabad Airbase was and still is more or less in control of US military officials. At least at start of Musharaf's take over I was much nearer to army circles ( u assumed wrongly abt me). I have seen with my own eyes foreigners in informal clothes with physique of Superman in Islamabad during that era.Even many died during bombing of Holiday Inn in Islamabad.

Pak was threatened and given no choice along with a westernized ruler like Musharaf. I am agreed that we have got shit and scrapped material since then however even that was made useful by our pros.



Dear Sir, perhaps u did n't know that PA chiefs more or less came after informal approvals of many powers, including USA ( as many predict). Our Army leadership in Mushy era was itself divided in pro and anti western blocks.Now facts show and as per accounts of some Musharaf's own subordinates was perhaps acting like a puppet for USA.

We were much suppressed rather then being in commanding position, drones were roaming freely and Jacobbabad Airbase was and still is more or less in control of US military officials. At least at start of Musharaf's take over I was much nearer to army circles ( u assumed wrongly abt me). I have seen with my own eyes foreigners in informal clothes with physique of Superman in Islamabad during that era.Even many died during bombing of Holiday Inn in Islamabad.

Pak was threatened and given no choice along with a westernized ruler like Musharaf. I am agreed that we have got shit and scrapped material since then however even that was made useful by our pros.

Hi,

You chose to be suppressed---because you cannot look into the white boys blue / gray eyes and tell them how it needs to be done.

So---big deal that pakistan was threatened----that is the only SOB story that you guys had---what stopped you from grinding out a deal---. It was your own failings.

The threat did not have anything to do to make a lesser deal for pakistan---rundi ronay---.

Once pakistan agreed---it was left upto you what to make out of it---.

You pakistanis sold yourself CHEAP---not because the U S wanted it that way---but because of your INFIGHTING and incompetence.

You advanced the richest nation of the world 1 billion dollars a year---and you let that nation use the term aid for that advance---.


Whereas you should have charged them 5 times the amount up in advance every year---the cost of doing business---.

" But you guys never knew that EXPENSIVE is GOOD and CHEAP is BAD.

Treat america like it wants to be treated---. See these american women---they hook onto rich husband and when divorced get 50% or an outrageous amount in settlement and rich american men still love them.

That is the american mindset---you act poor to the americans---they will give you the boot---but act arrogant and rich---and they will kiss your whatever. "

Neither you knew how to act when creating an alliance---nor you knew how to make a solid deal for pakistan---and all you guys can say is----Haal oye---dhaar oye---mein mur giya---meinoon maar gaiye---.


When 1/2 the army leadership was divided---that means this half was oput of touch with reality---.

 

[araz]

It was same as French do i.e u make things so costly that they become out of reach, same happened in Pak case. 80 Million USD for block 52 F16 is much more as compared to capabilities as they not now top notch fighters after introduction of block 60 and Viper upgrade.

I can bet on that in current scenario if Pak is willing to pay for Viper upgrade even then it will be out of reach for us. If we are able to get Trench 2 Euro fighters with some relevant upgrades and having some sort of credit line then it shall far more better option.

As if we can't get latest version then we should acquire more second hand F16s just to strengthen our 2nd tier defense needs and off course to replace legacy fighters like Mirage-III, F7Ps at first and later on Mirage Vs and PGs.



Sir perhaps point should be explained to Mr Mastan Khan as he is calling people of middle ages as kids and just raising false allegations against PAF officials without considering ground realities.

Mastan Khan is beyond help and I dont know whether he lacks the capability to understand or just does not want to understand. Either case I have given up on him.
A

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Definition of friend plz
the rest i will explain u after u answer my question

It is easier to define what is not a friend, and that is someone who supports your enemy.
In this case, the Taliban in Afghanistan.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Leonardo/Finmeccanica is attending IDEAS 2016, but it's also worth noting that Elettronica SpA is too. The latter is one of the electronics vendors for the MiG-35, specifically, the ELT-568 self-protection jammer (see here). They produce RWR, MAWS, etc, as well. Elettronica SpA works quite closely with Leonardo, so the idea of fusing the Selex AESA radar with an Elettronica ECM/EW suite is plausible, though perhaps not for the PAF, but could be a workable export solution. @Bilal Khan 777

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

A wonderful email I have received from a mod----I believe---.

I love to too my boy.

1. " Selex ES radar & other technology on JF-17? was deleted. Reason: Please confine your repeated stories to one thread - this ends up derailing EVERY FUCKING THREAD .. EVERY FUCKING ONE YOU POST IN... AND ONLY FUCKS UP THE FORUM ".[/paste:font]32 minutes ago

 

[Sinnerman108]

Hi,

A wonderful email I have received from a mod----I believe

1. " Selex ES radar & other technology on JF-17? was deleted. Reason: Please confine your repeated stories to one thread - this ends up derailing EVERY FUCKING THREAD .. EVERY FUCKING ONE YOU POST IN... AND ONLY FUCKS UP THE FORUM ".[/paste:font]32 minutes ago

MK ! :O

Which brave soul was it ?

This would imply that a moderator can be banned too ..

 

[Hell hound]

MK ! :O

Which brave soul was it ?

This would imply that a moderator can be banned too ..

and he should be with the moderation duty taken away from him.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Leonardo/Finmeccanica is attending IDEAS 2016, but it's also worth noting that Elettronica SpA is too. The latter is one of the electronics vendors for the MiG-35, specifically, the ELT-568 self-protection jammer (see here). They produce RWR, MAWS, etc, as well. Elettronica SpA works quite closely with Leonardo, so the idea of fusing the Selex AESA radar with an Elettronica ECM/EW suite is plausible, though perhaps not for the PAF, but could be a workable export solution. @Bilal Khan 777

These and other options have been on the table for a while. The principle integration responsibility is always with the vendor, and not the customer. Anytime the customer takes key multi-sub system integration responsibility, the project goes to hell, as there is no way to put responsibility on a system or component failure.

 

[CHI RULES]

Hi,

You chose to be suppressed---because you cannot look into the white boys blue / gray eyes and tell them how it needs to be done.

So---big deal that pakistan was threatened----that is the only SOB story that you guys had---what stopped you from grinding out a deal---. It was your own failings.

The threat did not have anything to do to make a lesser deal for pakistan---rundi ronay---.

Once pakistan agreed---it was left upto you what to make out of it---.

You pakistanis sold yourself CHEAP---not because the U S wanted it that way---but because of your INFIGHTING and incompetence.

You advanced the richest nation of the world 1 billion dollars a year---and you let that nation use the term aid for that advance---.


Whereas you should have charged them 5 times the amount up in advance every year---the cost of doing business---.

" But you guys never knew that EXPENSIVE is GOOD and CHEAP is BAD.

Treat america like it wants to be treated---. See these american women---they hook onto rich husband and when divorced get 50% or an outrageous amount in settlement and rich american men still love them.

That is the american mindset---you act poor to the americans---they will give you the boot---but act arrogant and rich---and they will kiss your whatever. "

Neither you knew how to act when creating an alliance---nor you knew how to make a solid deal for pakistan---and all you guys can say is----Haal oye---dhaar oye---mein mur giya---meinoon maar gaiye---.


When 1/2 the army leadership was divided---that means this half was oput of touch with reality---.

In short what you have blamed entire Pak nation relates to our shit foreign policy and foreign ministers who were though academics wise were good but mostly pro western our in a more blunt way perhaps on US pay roll. Still we are facing same situation.

 

[Mentee]

Hi,

You chose to be suppressed---because you cannot look into the white boys blue / gray eyes and tell them how it needs to be done.

So---big deal that pakistan was threatened----that is the only SOB story that you guys had---what stopped you from grinding out a deal---. It was your own failings.

The threat did not have anything to do to make a lesser deal for pakistan---rundi ronay---.

Once pakistan agreed---it was left upto you what to make out of it---.

You pakistanis sold yourself CHEAP---not because the U S wanted it that way---but because of your INFIGHTING and incompetence.

You advanced the richest nation of the world 1 billion dollars a year---and you let that nation use the term aid for that advance---.


Whereas you should have charged them 5 times the amount up in advance every year---the cost of doing business---.

" But you guys never knew that EXPENSIVE is GOOD and CHEAP is BAD.

Treat america like it wants to be treated---. See these american women---they hook onto rich husband and when divorced get 50% or an outrageous amount in settlement and rich american men still love them.

That is the american mindset---you act poor to the americans---they will give you the boot---but act arrogant and rich---and they will kiss your whatever. "

Neither you knew how to act when creating an alliance---nor you knew how to make a solid deal for pakistan---and all you guys can say is----Haal oye---dhaar oye---mein mur giya---meinoon maar gaiye---.


When 1/2 the army leadership was divided---that means this half was oput of touch with reality---.

@The Sandman @Moonlight

 

[Moonlight]

@The Sandman @Moonlight

He's very right, you know. That was classic though.

 

[The Sandman]

@The Sandman @Moonlight

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[MastanKhan]

In short what you have blamed entire Pak nation relates to our shit foreign policy and foreign ministers who were though academics wise were good but mostly pro western our in a more blunt way perhaps on US pay roll. Still we are facing same situation.

Hi,

Because they have and had no experience of talking back sh-it to the americans.

All these guys are in waiting to get green cards and scholarships for their kids---so how can they be sincere to pakistan.

That is why I keep saying to you guys that you have been had by the very own that you trusted---and not by the americans---.

The americans did not deceive you---it was your own pakistanis who sold you out---.

A true and honorable pakistani would have stood in front of the TV cameras and stated---" who gives a fck who toppled the twin towers---let us take care of the problem that is going to bring the monster of death and destruction into our backyard ".

These 1/2 of the generals wanted to make a vietnam of the U S---those dumb arses forgot that over 4 million vietnamese died in the making of ' vietnam ' for the U S military and the infra structire of the vietnam was totally destroyed---.

Do you really think that these pakistani generals were honestly sincere to pakistan---just think about it.