Seeker to revolutionise Indian Defence

[SmilingBuddha]

Sunday, 28 February 2016 | Rahul Datta | New Delhi
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India and Israel are expected to ink a significant Defence deal worth over Rs50,000 crore for Seeker technology ahead of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to Tel Aviv later this year. The cutting-edge technology will help India take a giant leap forward in manufacturing smart weapons within the country and rapidly modernise missile and rocket system used by the IAF, Army and Navy.

The talks for wrapping up the deal are in advanced stage between the two countries and Israel has agreed to transfer the expertise to develop and manufacture Seeker technology. It will enable the Defence forces to identify, acquire and then destroy an enemy missile or aircraft at long range or beyond visual range.

In simple terms, it means a warship can fire a missile at a hostile target at more than 200 km distance without visually sighting it as compared to the present 50 to 60 km. Seeker technology will also revolutionise the armoured corps as tanks will hit a target at a greater distance and same will be the case for fighter jets. In fact, this technology will cover the entire gamut of missiles ranging from Akash to Long Range Surface to Air Missiles (LRSAM) used by the three Services.

Elaborating upon the importance of this proposed deal, officials said here on Saturday the countries including the US and some European countries are reluctant to transfer Seeker technology to India resulting in the country’s missile system lagging behind by at least two generations.

Against this backdrop, Israel has given a clear signal that it will provide the critical ‘know why’ instead of ‘know how’. Starved of the state-of-the-art technology, the Indian industry depends on know how or technology transfer but has not been able to master entire process of manufacturing a smart weapon from scratch. In turn, it hampers the faster modernization of the armed forces as they are using weapons which are at least 15 to 20 years behind in terms of technological advancement as compared to the US, China and NATO countries.

Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) will be the lead agency in developing this technology. The Prime Minister’s Office (PMO) had given an “in-principle” approval for setting up of an Rs6,000-crore facility by the DRDO for air missile defence systems last year.

Besides the Seeker technology deal, the two countries are likely to ink a Rs10,000-crore deal for joint development of a medium-range surface-to-air missile system for the Indian Army.

The other pacts include procurement of 164 laser-designation pods or ‘Litening-4’ for IAF fighters like SU-30s and Jaguars as well as 250 advanced ‘Spice’ precision stand-off bombs capable of destroying fortified enemy underground command centres. The Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) chaired by the Prime Minister may clear it next month, sources said.

Talks are also underway to finalise a Rs3,200-crore contract for 321 ‘Spike’ anti tank guided (ATGM) systems and 8,356 missiles. The Army is in urgent need for third-generation ATGMs, with a strike range of over 2.5-km and fire-and-forget capabilities, to equip all its 382 infantry battalions and 44 mechanised infantry units.

The NDA Government in 2014 had selected the Israeli Spike ATGM over the US Javelin missile system, but the actual contract could not be inked due to some issues. The project involves an initial off-the-shelf induction, followed by large-scale indigenous manufacture by Bharat Dynamics Ltd (BDL).

The proposed medium range surface to air missile (MRSAM) project between DRDO and Israeli Aerospace Industries (IAI), too, is a big ticket item, officials said. The initial order is for one MRSAM regiment, with 16 firing units along with their multifunction surveillance and weapon control systems. BDL will manufacture these missiles. DRDO and IAI are already engaged in a project worth over Rs13,000 crore for Navy and IAF for developing similar missiles.

Incidentally, the Israel Defence industry is closely involved with the DRDO in more than 30 projects, including development of radars, electronic warfare systems and satellite based command and control systems for the three Services.

Moreover, Israeli made Greenpine radars are successfully integrated into the Agni missiles systems capable of carrying nuclear warheads. Israel is now the third largest weapon supplier after the US and Russia to India since diplomatic ties between the two nations were established in 1990.

50,000 crores ?????

http://www.dailypioneer.com/todays-newspaper/seeker-to-revolutionise-indian-defence.html

 

[Ankit Kumar]

@PARIKRAMA
Any chance we are getting David's Sling part by part ? Try dig out.

 

[cerberus]

@PARIKRAMA
Any chance we are getting David's Sling part by part ? Try dig out.

Nope It has US Involvement And US Regulatory agencies Have 24x7 Surveillance on Its technology Proliferation

 

[topgun047]

If true,this represents biggest quantum leap in Indian MIC.Much bigger than MKI Brahmos Gorshkov and Chakra combined.
Why isn't this getting more attention, perhaps it's still under negotiation or perhaps an example of devil in the details.

 

[Ankit Kumar]

Nope It has US Involvement And US Regulatory agencies Have 24x7 Surveillance on Its technology Proliferation

That's the reason why we are not directly buying it. But .....
You see if the Israelis can sell AESA to China against USA wish, it can definitely sell Seekers to India.

 

[cerberus]

That's the reason why we are not directly buying it. But .....
You see if the Israelis can sell AESA to China against USA wish, it can definitely sell Seekers to India.

News of Israeli's Selling AESA to china is just Rumor as I Know If you Can get Any Expert on Record to Confirm It,I Will Gladly Change My views

 

[#hydra#]

So its official that akash2 won't see the light.

 

[Abingdonboy]

So its official that akash2 won't see the light.

I don't know how you got to that conclusion.


@PARIKRAMA @anant_s @Levina @MilSpec @nair @SpArK @AUSTERLITZ

A welcome step foreward in an area India is lagging behind in.

 

[proud_indian]

I don't know how you got to that conclusion.


@PARIKRAMA @anant_s @Levina @MilSpec @nair @SpArK @AUSTERLITZ

A welcome step foreward in an area India is lagging behind in.

this is what mr. prasun has to say on the same.

"BIRBAL & RAD: You mean this piece of shit--classic yellow journalism:

Seeker to revolutionise Indian Defence

Firstly, the 250 Spice 1000 PGMs were contracted for way back in 2013 & it was mentioned during the Aero India 2013 symposium by Dr V K Saraswat. Secondly, will anyone undertake any critical ToT for just 250 missiles? "


To BIRBAL: Just imagine the irony: everyone frets, moans & groans whenever the speculative figures (like Rs.61,000 crores) for the Rafale MMRCA deal are published, but no one behaves similarly when speculative figures like Rs.60,000 crores for mere 250 Spice 1000 PGMs + 164 Litening-5 LDPs are quoted! That's how stupid these 'desi' bandalbaazes are.

 

[ni8mare]

So its official that akash2 won't see the light.

........

 

[PARIKRAMA]

I think article has mixed up few things..

What I understand is the Israel India JV of Barak 8 needs to evolve further as there are two mutual benefits straight away both countries are keen to capitalize.

1. Israel Contribution of the seeker
2. India's Contribution of dual pulse motor for the engine.

What effectively Israel wants is replication of all it's existing assets in hostile interception phase to have such a capability.and in return India wants to use the technology of the seeker for its existing SAM projects.

It needs to be seen if this seeker need is perhaps bcz of the fact that our in-house KU band seeker is progressing on time or not.. Bcz critically akash and Astra projects needs advanced seekers to make the lethality aspect higher.. The new versions are expected to sport the dual pulse motor.

On top their seems to be a view that Barak 8 production is to be done in India under MII. As of now there seems to be the following contract with Israel's

Source is SIPRI

As you can see it covers almost everything from Barak8 to spyder to litening pod to spike to heron to barak1 to Python/Derby to even radars..

Thus report has mixed up many things and quoting a combined price.

An example is barak 8 is signed for for 18 such systems and 1000 barak ER missiles which is part of 1500 Missile package in 2009 for a USD 1.4 Bn which also had spyder SAM as part of LLQRM.

Out of these 9 systems for barak8 naval Sam version was part of that 1.4Bn deal and as we can see 2 systems are delivered this year. The year of full fledged commercial signing for first 5 is year 2009 and subsequent 4 is 2013.. (In tranches)

This implies another 10+ systems will be ordered for our other ships and many more for future ships.

So what we see is such high numbers cannot be manufactured all alone in Israel.. Thus I said local manufacturing under MII.

For the record Derby and Python combo of/estimated 750 missiles for Tejas fleet is already ordered in 2008. Also seen is 140 AESA 2052 radar order in 2009 estimated..

This data is a gold standard datamine..of course with some estimations too
You see in reality how much we are really working with Israel and how little press knows about the true relationship.

What prasun says is also mentioned .. About 500 LGB NG ordered in 2012 and delivered estimated this year... 2014-15.. So if he says 1000, SIPRI says 500 so may be 500 more may be ordered now..

@MilSpec @AUSTERLITZ @SpArK @Abingdonboy @knight11 @Ankit Kumar @cerberus @Vauban @DavidSling @500 @ni8mare@Taygibay

 

[randomradio]

It's a silly sensationalist article.

 

[knight11]

I think article has mixed up few things..

What I understand is the Israel India JV of Barak 8 needs to evolve further as there are two mutual benefits straight away both countries are keen to capitalize.

1. Israel Contribution of the seeker
2. India's Contribution of dual pulse motor for the engine.

What effectively Israel wants is replication of all it's existing assets in hostile interception phase to have such a capability.and in return India wants to use the technology of the seeker for its existing SAM projects.

It needs to be seen if this seeker need is perhaps bcz of the fact that our in-house KU band seeker is progressing on time or not.. Bcz critically akash and Astra projects needs advanced seekers to make the lethality aspect higher.. The new versions are expected to sport the dual pulse motor.

On top their seems to be a view that Barak 8 production is to be done in India under MII. As of now there seems to be the following contract with Israel's
View attachment 295833
Source is SIPRI

As you can see it covers almost everything from Barak8 to spyder to litening pod to spike to heron to barak1 to Python/Derby to even radars..

Thus report has mixed up many things and quoting a combined price.

An example is barak 8 is signed for for 18 such systems and 1000 barak ER missiles which is part of 1500 Missile package in 2009 for a USD 1.4 Bn which also had spyder SAM as part of LLQRM.

Out of these 9 systems for barak8 naval Sam version was part of that 1.4Bn deal and as we can see 2 systems are delivered this year. The year of full fledged commercial signing for first 5 is year 2009 and subsequent 4 is 2013.. (In tranches)

This implies another 10+ systems will be ordered for our other ships and many more for future ships.

So what we see is such high numbers cannot be manufactured all alone in Israel.. Thus I said local manufacturing under MII.

For the record Derby and Python combo of/estimated 750 missiles for Tejas fleet is already ordered in 2008. Also seen is 140 AESA 2052 radar order in 2009 estimated..

This data is a gold standard datamine..of course with some estimations too
You see in reality how much we are really working with Israel and how little press knows about the true relationship.

What prasun says is also mentioned .. About 500 LGB NG ordered in 2012 and delivered estimated this year... 2014-15.. So if he says 1000, SIPRI says 500 so may be 500 more may be ordered now..

@MilSpec @AUSTERLITZ @SpArK @Abingdonboy @knight11 @Ankit Kumar @cerberus @Vauban @DavidSling @500 @ni8mare@Taygibay

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