See a famous photo from 1989 Tiananmen Square ... but story changed, truth or lie ?

[Jlaw]

I have been listening to conservative talks radio in US. The US presidential election is really all about opinion. Opinion on economy, opinion on religion, opinion on foreign relationship, etc, but at the end of the day, the thing that makes me the most uncomfortable is that for all the talk about opinions, there is very little concrete evidence of each candidates' ability to run the country.

Basically, electoral democracy's leadership selection boils down to "the one that can sway the most people to his/her opinion" instead of "the one who can figure out the correct action and implement it". It is understandable, because finding out a person's ability to government would require lengthy analysis of the individual's past records, the circumstances associated with the records, not to mention the individual has to be occupying a post that allow him/her to demonstrate it in the first place. Ordinary voters have neither the expertise nor the time to figure all these out. So instead people focuses on opinions and which ones pleases them the most.

To me, that is a recipe for disaster. I consider myself to be fairly well-educated and better informed than the average voter, but I have no illusion of my ability to judge a person's ability to run a political office and certainly doesn't have the resource to thoroughly investigate each candidate. Granted, in well established societies, the average candidate presented can be expected to have a certain level of competency, but when you are competing with other countries for the top spot, you don't want the guy that "meet the minimal requirement", what you need is "the best of the best".

I'm not voting in federal election because I know no matter who gets voted in, it only benefits special interest groups and companies. I've only voted once in my life-a waste of my half hour.

Western democracy is really sales men trying to pitch their sales speech. May the best sales men win!

I have been listening to conservative talks radio in US. The US presidential election is really all about opinion. Opinion on economy, opinion on religion, opinion on foreign relationship, etc, but at the end of the day, the thing that makes me the most uncomfortable is that for all the talk about opinions, there is very little concrete evidence of each candidates' ability to run the country.

Basically, electoral democracy's leadership selection boils down to "the one that can sway the most people to his/her opinion" instead of "the one who can figure out the correct action and implement it". It is understandable, because finding out a person's ability to government would require lengthy analysis of the individual's past records, the circumstances associated with the records, not to mention the individual has to be occupying a post that allow him/her to demonstrate it in the first place. Ordinary voters have neither the expertise nor the time to figure all these out. So instead people focuses on opinions and which ones pleases them the most.

To me, that is a recipe for disaster. I consider myself to be fairly well-educated and better informed than the average voter, but I have no illusion of my ability to judge a person's ability to run a political office and certainly doesn't have the resource to thoroughly investigate each candidate. Granted, in well established societies, the average candidate presented can be expected to have a certain level of competency, but when you are competing with other countries for the top spot, you don't want the guy that "meet the minimal requirement", what you need is "the best of the best".

I'm not voting in federal election because I know no matter who gets voted in, it only benefits special interest groups and companies. I've only voted once in my life-a waste of my half hour.

Western democracy is really sales men trying to pitch their sales speech. May the best sales men win!

 

[C130]

LOL Western media caught lying red-handed again...

That is all they can do against China after we spanked USA into a bloody pulp in 1950.

lol, we even interviewed your ex-Presiden Jiang Zemin back in 1990 asked what happened to "Tank Man" he doesn't know

shows videos of the incident, asks what happened to him. media caught lying

these Chinese trolls


my opinion this martyr was arrested,tortured, family was ostracized, and then he was executed

That's the beauty of mass media manipulation. You never outright lies, because that will just get you caught and destroy your credibility.

What media does is implications and half truths. For example, if you see this:

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Where would you predict the x3 point will be? The answer is that you don't really know because you don't know the pattern behind it, but subconsciously you are going to do a linear extrapolation on it.

Anyone who actually liked China to succeed understand what a joke the supposed 1989 event is. USSR and all the other countries that transition to "democracy" in the past two decades has already made ample demonstration of how idiotic that is.

where is the media manipulation on this topic??this thread is manipulation. good troll


btw chinese trolls can you even look up information about Tienanmen,Democracy, without a proxy.

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[tranquilium]

lol, we even interviewed your ex-Presiden Jiang Zemin back in 1990 asked what happened to "Tank Man" he doesn't know

shows videos of the incident, asks what happened to him. media caught lying

these Chinese trolls


my opinion this martyr was arrested,tortured, family was ostracized, and then he was executed





where is the media manipulation on this topic??this thread is manipulation. good troll


btw chinese trolls can you even look up information about Tienanmen,Democracy, without a proxy.

Yeah...martyr, after USSR, Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine as well as stuff like creating ISIS, we are in such a hurry to embrace your idea of democracy.

You know what we can also look up on internet? The march of bonus army:

 

[kasper95]

some of the people here are missing the forest for a tree.the point is not if the man was crushed it never was.

the point is Chinese rolled their tanks to crush the demonstration against the Chinese govt.

and again crushing dsnt mean literally crushing people with the tanks.(for people who will take the meaning literally)

 

[Jlaw]

I have been listening to conservative talks radio in US. The US presidential election is really all about opinion. Opinion on economy, opinion on religion, opinion on foreign relationship, etc, but at the end of the day, the thing that makes me the most uncomfortable is that for all the talk about opinions, there is very little concrete evidence of each candidates' ability to run the country.

Basically, electoral democracy's leadership selection boils down to "the one that can sway the most people to his/her opinion" instead of "the one who can figure out the correct action and implement it". It is understandable, because finding out a person's ability to government would require lengthy analysis of the individual's past records, the circumstances associated with the records, not to mention the individual has to be occupying a post that allow him/her to demonstrate it in the first place. Ordinary voters have neither the expertise nor the time to figure all these out. So instead people focuses on opinions and which ones pleases them the most.

To me, that is a recipe for disaster. I consider myself to be fairly well-educated and better informed than the average voter, but I have no illusion of my ability to judge a person's ability to run a political office and certainly doesn't have the resource to thoroughly investigate each candidate. Granted, in well established societies, the average candidate presented can be expected to have a certain level of competency, but when you are competing with other countries for the top spot, you don't want the guy that "meet the minimal requirement", what you need is "the best of the best".

It's really funny to listen to American politics. These guys are so far out there, you wonder how the **** they ever got to where they are?
I guess they were born lucky to be white in this era. That will change in 2030 though.

 

[Solomon2]

Red herring. I remember the photo described as a lone act of defiance but I don't ever recall anyone claiming the tank crushed him.

I recall a sharp division between the Chinese students that arrived in America before and after Tiananmen. The ones that came before followed international news and Chinese chat rooms avidly. They had no doubt what happened. The ones that arrived after either wouldn't talk about it or denied everything - one even claimed to have been there and smilingly declared that "nothing happened."

No, to me the definitive images of 1989 weren't these tanks, but the Goddess of Democracy and a photo in The Economist of a bloodied dead Chinese man in the Square wearing a spotless Chinese Army uniform and cap - very clumsy propaganda, that. Eventually the ruling Communists dropped the claim that the students attacked the PLA, right?

 

[Dungeness]

Yes, I don't remember anybody saying he got crushed. You can see he got pulled away at the end quite clearly.


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Well, it is the photo not the video that won Pulitzer Prize. The image was so powerful that left an "extended imagination" in most unsuspecting viewers‘ mind, helped with some other skillfully edited bloody imagines. That is the beauty of mass media manipulation. Remember "WMD", anyone?

 

[TaiShang]

I have been listening to conservative talks radio in US. The US presidential election is really all about opinion. Opinion on economy, opinion on religion, opinion on foreign relationship, etc, but at the end of the day, the thing that makes me the most uncomfortable is that for all the talk about opinions, there is very little concrete evidence of each candidates' ability to run the country.

And often times, those opinion are divorced from reality and boil down to political sales pitch. On this, political salesmen trust on the voters' forgetting/ignoring abilities. If certain people resist not to forget, then they are handled by the corporate media. In any case, they are pushed back and forth between the two alternatives of the exactly same thing.

Nice thread @cnleio

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Well, it is the photo not the video that won Pulitzer Prize.

What the?? It didn't win a Pulitzer...more Communist brainwashing. A finalist maybe but not a winner.

The Pulitzer Prizes | Spot News Photography

[too graphic to post]
1991 Greg Marinovich Associated Press
For a series of photographs of supporters of South Africa's African National Congress brutally murdering a man they believed to be a Zulu spy.

1990 Photo Staff The Tribune, Oakland, CA
For photographs of devastation caused by the Bay Area earthquake of October 17, 1989.

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1989 Ron Olshwanger, free-lance photographer
For a picture published in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch of a firefighter giving mouth-to-mouth resuscitation to a child pulled from a burning building.

 

[Dungeness]

What the?? It didn't win a Pulitzer...more Communist brainwashing. A finalist maybe but not a winner.

The only thing that is worse than being brainwashed, is believing yourself invincible to being brainwashed.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

The only thing that is worse than being brainwashed, is believing yourself invincible to being brainwashed.

So you can't admit you have been misled..even when I post the facts?

 

[TaiShang]

The only thing that is worse than being brainwashed, is believing yourself invincible to being brainwashed.

LOL. That's a very Western specialty: Unquestionably believing that everyone else is brainwashed.

Better ignore the troll...

 

[Dungeness]

So you can't admit you have been mislead..even when I post the facts?

I am not the only one being misled. A Chinese general said there was no one killed in the Tiananmen square, he was ridiculed by the whole mass media. It turned out, he was right. What did you believe then?

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

LOL. That's a very Western specialty: Unquestionably believing that everyone else is brainwashed.

Better ignore the troll...

The Eastern Mentality is to make up accusations and when proven wrong..they run away instead of accepting shame.

I've proven two of your lies WRONG.
And you guys aren't man enough to admit either of them.

 

[TaiShang]

I am not the only one being misled. A Chinese general said there was no one killed in the Tiananmen square, he was ridiculed by the whole mass media. It turned out, he was right. What did you believe then?

That's very Western; which only understands the language of power.

As long as they hold the upper hand, they will dictate their own opinion through consent-based and, if not working, punitive measures.

Once they are eclipsed in power, they turn right-wing fascists.