Secularists should 'mend ways or leave country', says PTI lawmaker

[Hell hound]

Guess who was left out

Don't worry my Zionist friend Jewish lobby is working for you

 

[Verve]

Allah gave islam as a complete code of life, islamic law was given by Allah to implement on muslim nations, the caliph was Allahs representative on earth, wth are u talking about, islsm has nothing to do with secularism which is a european phenomina cause christianity was a religion, islam is not a religion, its away of life prescribed by Allah, isls

It is up to the children to decide whether they want to walk off a roof or not the parents have no say in the matter...

I am astonished.

1. Muslims should be free-thinkers.
2. What Allah says are mere 'suggestions'. (it seems the consequences and punishments are irrelevant)

Above is what liberal &/or secular muslim think of Islam and Allah's commands .... !!!!

 

[Awan68]

What makes enforcement of Quranic Law a duty of the State when "there is no compulsion in religion"?

U are qouting quranic verses out of context, fear Allah man, the said verse negates forceful conversion to islam , it doesnt say dont enforce quranic laws on muslims, so u are okay with laws legislated by humans, bieng enforced upon u by a parliment consisting of simple humans but u are not okay with laws given by Allah bieng enforced upon u, so Allahs word is less in value to u than parliamentarians whose man made laws must be enforced but Allahs laws must only be voluntarily followed,??? islam is no mere religion, islam was given by Allah as a code of life, a code of life that the state enforced, a code of life drawn from Allahs limitless wisdom, how can man made laws compete with those given by Allah?? Didnt prophet(pbuh) enforce quranic law in the state of medina??, why did he(saw) enforce sharia law in the state of medina if it was only to be followed voluntarily??, ur argument is hollow my friend, only those have a problem with enforcement of Allahs law who seek to defy it, who have hypocrissy in their hearts, those who fear that law, those who fear that it may curb some practices that they enjoy, so why dont u shun hypocrissy for once and come out like a man and say that u dont agree with quranic laws, stop all this inbetweener BS, its pathetic n sways only the feeble minded..

 

[M. Sarmad]

Allah says that Libertines are unbelievers.

But as you think Allah encourages free-thinkers, this may also just be a suggestion. Right?

Please quote the exact Quranic verse in which Allah has prohibited freethinking, or declared freethinkers as unbelievers.



Verily, the vilest of all creatures in the sight of God are those deaf, those dumb ones who do not use their reason. (The Noble Qur'an, 8:22)

 

[Zibago]

Don't worry my Zionist agent friend Jewish lobby is working for you

Fjuck yeah everyone from baboons to Indians to Trumpians to mullahsaurases hate me

 

[Hell hound]

You are taking away all my friends

don't worry let us get our american passports we will be visiting you in Israel

 

[Verve]

Please quote the exact Quranic verse in which Allah has prohibited freethinking, or declared freethinkers as unbelievers.



Verily, the vilest of all creatures in the sight of God are those deaf, those dumb ones who do not use their reason. (The Noble Qur'an, 8:22)

You must be blind! I've already posted. Post 193.

Instead of posting everything, google search 'libertines in quran' ... Al-fujjar is arabic.

 

[M. Sarmad]

You must be blind! I've already posted.

Instead of posting everything, google search 'libertines in quran' ... Al-fujjar is arabic.

So what you are trying to say is that "Al- Fujjar" means freethinking ???

 

[Verve]

So what you are trying to say is that "Al- Fujjar" means freethinking ???

Not freethinking, free-thinkers and that is Libertines (meaning: freethinkers in matters of religion)!

why don't you search for it yourself huh?

 

[Awan68]

I am astonished.

1. Muslims should be free-thinkers.
2. What Allah says are mere 'suggestions'. (it seems the consequences and punishments are irrelevant)

Above is what liberal &/or secular muslim think of Islam and Allah's commands .... !!!!

Thier hypocrissy can be gauged by the fact that they shun islamic laws and ways yet still strive to be called muslims cause that makes them feel good about themselves in society, iseriously sometimes feel like vomiting when confronted by these things, no code of honour whatsoever, i would atleast consider them valid deviators if the openly claimed that they dont like islam...

 

[Verve]

And Quran repeatedly says 'to be men possessed of mind' (there are so many references to quote on that, search yourself) .... that is not the same as being free-thinkers!

Anyways, derive whatever meanings you want.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Not freethinking, free-thinkers and that is Libertines (meaning: freethinkers in matters of religion)!

why don't you search for it yourself huh?

Here is a link to at least 60 different English translations of this verse, and none of them has translated "Al-Fujjar(a)" as "Freethinkers" :

http://islamawakened.com/quran/80/42/default.htm

 

[Verve]

Thier hypocrissy can be gauged by the fact that they shun islamic laws and ways yet still strive to be called muslims cause that makes them feel good about themselves in society, iseriously sometimes feel like vomiting when confronted by these things, no code of honour whatsoever, i would atleast consider them valid deviators if the openly claimed that they dont like islam...

Yes, they should just come out and say 'we will pick and choose what we like from Quran and ignore the rest'. Much like the Khawarij do.

Here is a link to at least 60 different English translations of this verse, and none of them have translated "Al-Fujjar" as "Freethinking":

http://islamawakened.com/quran/80/42/default.htm

Believe what you want.

When the 4 eyes will question you in your grave, tell them that you were a free-thinker and took Quran as a mere suggestion.

 

[Awan68]

Not freethinking, free-thinkers and that is Libertines (meaning: freethinkers in matters of religion)!

why don't you search for it yourself huh?

He will keep beating around the bush, its a method that works for them so leave him in his condition, his ego will never allow him to see reason, i have debated with a lot of goora athiests and liberals online and they offer real arguments and one enjoys debating with them, they raise valid questions and accept reason when answer is given because they really believe their ideologies to be right hence are not hypocrittes and can be made to see reason with a little effort but these desi liberals are hypocritted, remember the hypcrittes of medina were more dangerous than the kuffar of makkah, these desi liberals are born out of half inferiority complex, quater wanabe gora, quater pleasing the current powerful, they have no original thought process of thier own, they just follow which ever light discos more...

Yes, they should just come out and say 'we will pick and choose what we like from Quran and ignore the rest'. Much like the Khawarij do.



Believe what you want.

When the 4 eyes will question you in your grave, tell them that you were a free-thinker and took Quran as a mere suggestion.

Allahs word is a mere suggestion to them yet the word of a human body of parliment must be enforced according to them...

 

[Verve]

@Azlan Haider

Look Azlan, what you make of this test and whether you pass or fail is totally up to you and only you. Clear guidance is in your hands from your Creator, should you choose to follow or not. It is not a difficult read. Rest is up to you.

As for state laws, majority decides. No minority is always happy with what the majority decides. That's how it goes.