Secularism has weak roots

[nair]

but minority will not accept it

They need to be exposed and educated....... If this govt cant do it then no other govt can .....

India is perhaps the ONLY country where the right wing is pushing for a law that's demands equality for all. Such is the irony.

True....

 

[Screambowl]

They need to be exposed and educated....... If this govt cant do it then no other govt can .....

Some Christians will never accept that, and they are educated ones(of course there are who are hardcore nationalists). There were NGO's calling morcha against this uniform civil code. You can accept some support from Deoband. But rest will come as resistance.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

They need to be exposed and educated....... If this govt cant do it then no other govt can .....



True....

True. If this Government fails to push the UCC, they won't have any excuse.

 

[nair]

Some Christians will never accept that, and they are educated ones(of course there are who are hardcore nationalists). There were NGO's calling morcha against this uniform civil code. You can accept some support from Deoband. But rest will come as resistance.

You can not have a country with different laws to different section of society...... Those who enjoys the benefits of it will resist for sure..... But then it is the role of govt to bring laws which is good for the entire society (not for the sections of it)

True. If this Government fails to push the UCC, they won't have any excuse.

But if this govt try it the resistance is going to be much higher (with congress playing the spoil spot and try to gain some support by minority appeasement) But the factions of BJP are not helping the govt either........

 

[Nicky G]

I don't see the UCC even being on the government's agenda in any serious form in the next couple of years, maybe after UP elections, unless they wish to use this card during UP. They tried to float the UCC balloon in the beginning and it went nowhere.

Kashmir elections put 370 on the back burner and it hasn't tasted oxygen since.

First, the economic agenda need to be secured before turning to these inflammable ones.

 

[Blue_Eyes]

by:Kuldip Nayar
It is surprising that the Supreme Court’s February 9 remark that “we don’t know for how long it [India] will remain a secular country” has gone unnoticed.

1- People write such articles to create sensation, attract peoples, and earn money, because you won't earn money with simple articles. And thats why such people write such non-sense articles, its all business, and to be a successful troll you need to do something extra, like insulting country in front of world? May be Yes
2- You should agree now that Indian SC is unbiased after reading this article??
3- I don't care, I am a Hindu, I don't convert peoples and so are the other common Indian hindus.
4- I don't see any "ghar wapsi" compaign around me here, So, May be I am right that this is just a sensational topic and nothing else in ground realities.
5- There is NO point to prove anything against those who just enjoy to see such news, without having a look into their own houses? Am I right
6- I am Out from this topic, because its religious debate and I can't handle it

by:Kuldip Nayar
It is surprising that the Supreme Court’s February 9 remark that “we don’t know for how long it [India] will remain a secular country” has gone unnoticed.

1- People write such articles to create sensation, attract peoples, and earn money, because you won't earn money with simple articles. And thats why such people write such non-sense articles, its all business, and to be a successful troll you need to do something extra, like insulting country in front of world? May be Yes
2- You should agree now that Indian SC is unbiased after reading this article??
3- I don't care, I am a Hindu, I don't convert peoples and so are the other common Indian hindus.
4- I don't see any "ghar wapsi" compaign around me here, So, May be I am right that this is just a sensational topic and nothing else in ground realities.
5- There is NO point to prove anything against those who just enjoy to see such news, without having a look into their own houses? Am I right
6- I am Out from this topic, because its religious debate and I can't handle it

 

[Levina]

Secularism has weak roots | The Indian Express
@levina @SarthakGanguly @Blue_Eyes @SpArK @nair @Rain Man @syedali73 @Magnet @Screambowl

Secularism is probably the most abused word in India today, every political party calls itself secular while calling the rest as pseudo seculars. The writer of this article Kuldip Nayar could not have been more wrong when he said this..

It has to be admitted that the Congress, which ruled the country for six decades, never deviated from the policy of secularism

Congress or BJP 're not evenly remotely secular!!!
Congress follows a minority appeasement policy, and since Congress has ruled the country for majority of 68yrs after independence, so i can very safely say that this party is solely responsible for the mess that my country is in today. The majority in india has developed a minority complex, courtesy: Congress party of India.
Congress leaders have so far frequently invoked religious symbols and idioms when it suits their purpose.
Congress party follows a policy of blackmail secularism, in more than one ways it makes the minorities believe that "if you dont vote for us, BJP will make sure you're doomed".
BJP on the otherhand has become increasingly conscious of its communal party image ergo it has developed a smoke screen of development. Modi's image as a leader who has changed the face of Gujarat was used during the elections, to hide the Godhra riots and Babri Masjid carnage. Ppl voted for BJP to see progress, something which had evaded our country for long.
Congress and BJP 're the sides of the same coin!!!
Unfortunately nobody bats for true religious harmony in this country, not even one political party. Kuldip Nayar has obviously put on blinders.

 

[Dragon Ball]

How to spot an Indian Intellectual
Dr. Koenraad Elst

From a lecture by former JNU Vice-Chancellor Prof. Kapil Kapoor before the Indore-based India Inspires Foundation, I have to relate a particularly relevant part, viz. about our Indian “intellectuals”. Any mistakes in my rendering are of course mine.

These intellectuals are to be distinguished from Hinduism’s traditional men of knowledge, or Rishi-s. The Rishi-s were devoted to the welfare of society, and they encouraged responsibility, self-reliance and cheerfulness. By contrast, our present “intellectuals” are only Buddhi-Jivi-s, those who “use their intellect to make a living”.

They have certain typical characteristics:

* They are worried, with a perennially worried look on their carefully careless-looking faces. They think that everything is bad, particularly all that really or allegedly stems from Hindu religion: caste, sati (even though the Sati after whom the custom was named, set herself on fire while her husband Shiva was alive, and even though all Hindu scriptures from the Rg-Veda on down condemn this rare Rajput practice), superstition etc. They worry about minorities and gender, and about the environment: whatever Hindus do, is polluting. Thus, while their consumerist lifestyles are above criticism, Hindus throwing around coloured powder on Holi are harming the ecosystem. Nowadays they worry about the farmers, even though they can’t tell a hoe from a plough.

* They have a sense of bad luck. Thus, why did they have to be born in a poor “developing country” rather than in America? (Well, at least the status of “developing country” is useful in so far as it keeps the donations coming, which money is then funneled towards the established intellectuals so that their children can get Ph.D.s in America.) They bemoan everything. They are like Rudali-s, professional mourners; except that Rudali-s only mourn at a occurrence of a real loss, a king’s death or so, whereas these intellectuals mourn all the time. Shiites flagellate themselves on Muharram to mourn Hussain’s defeat; these intellectuals have a Muharram every day.

* They suffer from a Hanuman complex. Hanuman was so strong that the gods were afraid of him and cursed him to forget his strength until someone would remind him. So, they forget about the past glories of their own civilization. The first European travelers wondered why the Indians had no maps; well, because maps are for people who have to go elsewhere because they need something from there, but Indians had everything in their own country. Our intellectuals see only the poverty that Islamic and British colonization and Nehruvian socialism have wrought (which they falsely attribute to Hindu influence, terming Nehruvian economic failure the “Hindu rate of growth”). They are always appealing for state intervention, like today’s middle class, who always ring up for help; or like the Devata-s (gods) in the Puranic myths, helpless before their Asura (demon) enemies. It is always the Asuras who are self-reliant, while the Devata-s are only there to shower flowers.

* They have a Tittiri complex. The Tittiri is a Indian bird that sleeps on its back with its feet skywards, as if supporting the heavens so that they don’t fall. Likewise, the intellectuals think that their enduring concern is needed to save India.

And a little extra to cap it all: intellectuals are good at talking about a book without having read it. This they call “meta-study”. Or as their hero Ayatollah Khomeini said about Salman Rushdie’s novel The Satanic Verses: “You don’t need to jump into a dung heap to know that it stinks.

How to spot an Indian Intellectual | IndiaFactsIndiaFacts - Linkis.com

 

[magudi]

India is a secular country...... Will remain one...... Yes there will be factions of society who may try to change it, but be rest assured, it will remain a secular one......

You will find the things settling down in a year or so ......

See what a spin master the author is?

The context in which SC made the remarks is Christian's plea for separate laws. The SC observed if different groups keep demanding such things citing others having been granted the same India won't remain secular for long.

SC was rooting for much belated UCC, but here we have idiots spinning it to entirely unrelated stuff

 

[magudi]

I don't see the UCC even being on the government's agenda in any serious form in the next couple of years, maybe after UP elections, unless they wish to use this card during UP. They tried to float the UCC balloon in the beginning and it went nowhere.

Kashmir elections put 370 on the back burner and it hasn't tasted oxygen since.

First, the economic agenda need to be secured before turning to these inflammable ones.

What will it take to get UCC through? Brute majority in both houses? Is state consent needed?

Anyway if they can get this through I'll keep voting for em the rest of ma life

 

[Nicky G]

What will it take to get UCC through? Brute majority in both houses? Is state consent needed?

Anyway if they can get this through I'll keep voting for em the rest of ma life

The provision is already there in article 44 of the constitution, so a central law would need to passed to implement the directive.

ABV couldn't do it because 'secular' NDA partners were concerned for their vote bank. It would be interesting to see if Modi rams it through.

Goa has its own UCC, so it would not necessarily be required if there was a central law.