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Saudis turn to religion to bend Pakistan's Yemen policy

My family also claimed to be Shaikh but the DNA test put that theory to rest since my both Y and mitochondrial haplogroup are native to Indus Valley.



Another racist theory ! All humans are equal !!

All humans are equal but not the same, some races have outperformed others due to hard work and ethics, take a look at negros for example they may be equal but not the same as they lacked ethics and morals and desire for hard work.
 
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Kaaba Imam was suppose to seek peace and not support war

The Imam of Al-Azhar University in Cairo supported General Sisi coup d'etat against the democratically elected government of President Mohammad Morsi. Now Imam of Kaaba is urging Pakistan to join war against Houthis in Yemen. They both have sold out to their political leaders and same is true for some Pakistani clerics. We need democratic leadership which can make decisions in both in interest of Ummah and Pakistan.

All humans are equal but not the same, some races have outperformed others due to hard work and ethics, take a look at negros for example they may be equal but not the same as they lacked ethics and morals and desire for hard work.

The Africans have been historically mistreated since Black Africans did not possess technology comparable to European and Asians. Hopefully Africans can develop political leadership that can make constructive decisions to develop Africa.
 
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The Imam of Al-Azhar University in Cairo supported General Sisi coup d'etat against the democratically elected government of President Mohammad Morsi. Now Imam of Kaaba is urging Pakistan to join war against Houthis in Yemen. They both have sold out to their political leaders and same is true for some Pakistani clerics. We need democratic leadership which can make decisions in both in interest of Ummah and Pakistan.



The Africans have been historically mistreated since Black Africans did not possess technology comparable to European and Asians. Hopefully Africans can develop political leadership that can make constructive decisions to develop Africa.

So you agree that some races have achieved more then others, also that equal doesn't mean the same.
 
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My family also claimed to be Shaikh but the DNA test put that theory to rest since my both Y and mitochondrial haplogroup are native to Indus Valley.



Another racist theory ! All humans are equal !!
Yr might be but ours is not. We have a full heredity sequence. We Kashmiris do that its part of our customs to remember yr Shajra e Nasab.
 
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Really....when I filled the form it said Nationality and current Location. I think you need to revisit and freshen up things.
Hi,

Ahh, the classic identity crises dilemma in the sub-continent, just the other day. i was dealing here in this forum with an indian that was born in India, and brought up in Rwanda, who now lives in Uganda i guess, was feeling ashamed to display his Indian flags.

I am not sure how much of what you say is true, but this is what it has always been.
So, what is your country of Origin? where are you from originally?

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saudi and GCC can use Pakistan for peace talk as they wont do it
Pakistan will deal with it
 
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Yr might be but ours is not. We have a full heredity sequence. We Kashmiris do that its part of our customs to remember yr Shajra e Nasab.

We have had a Shijra too ! But I believe in science rather than family tradition/shijra.

So you agree that some races have achieved more then others, also that equal doesn't mean the same.

Every human has potential to achieve given good education and atmosphere. Some humans achieve more than others and is common in all ethnic groups.
 
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You fought four wars with India - 1948, 1965, 1971 and 1999. When was the fifth war ? Arabs could not have made any difference in 1948, 1965 and 1971.

There are more Pakistanis working in the GCC states as percentage of Pakistan's population. Looking at the overall export earnings Pakistan is far more dependent upon GCC labor remmitances than India.

I never understood why India needs to be an observer at Arab League. We are not an Arab state. Neither is Pakistan.

I am sure some Pakistani bureaucrat got paid for all those hunting licenses
Siachin?
 
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No doubt, Imam gathered a numbers of pakistanis in Faisal mosque but he don't know that pakistanis understand Arabic limit only to read
This is exception that even when arabs are abusing Pakis in GCC, pakis stand respectfully owing to respect to their religious language:omghaha::pakistan:
 
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Saudi Arabia sends top religious figures to sway Pakistani public on Yemen intervention




Frustrated by Pakistan's insistence on remaining neutral on the Saudi Arabian-led intervention in Yemen, the Gulf nation has looked to exert religious influence over its South Asian ally.

Shaikh Khalid Ghamidi, an Imam at Islam's holiest site, the Masjid al-Haram in Mecca, is to deliver a Friday sermon at Pakistan's largest mosque, a week after he rushed to Pakistan to lobby the support of Pakistani citizens in the Saudi battle against Yemen's Shia Houthi rebels.

Ghamidi's visit followed an earlier one by the religious affairs minister, Sheikh Saleh bin Abdul Aziz, immediately after Pakistan's parliament angered Arab allies by urging the government not to become involved in the Yemen conflict; which has been seen as some as proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran.

They met mainstream religious leaders and reached out to ordinary citizens through public and religious gatherings; something without much precedent in the decades-long relationship between the two allies.

"The parliamentary resolution is Pakistan’s internal matter but it seems the public opinion does not match with that [resolution]," Shaikh Ghamidi said in an interview with Pakistan’s Geo TV on Sunday. "I thank the Pakistani nation for its support to the Saudi action in Yemen. I truly believe that Pakistanis will always stand alongside Saudi Arabia in testing times."

The United Arabs Emirates was openly critical of Pakistan with its state minister saying Pakistan would pay a "heavy price" for neutrality.

Shaikh Ghamidi has exploited every opportunity to defend the Saudi invasion of Yemen, telling a conference organized by Pakistani religious parties that the Houthi rebels intended to attack Islam's holy cites of Mecca and Medina.

Given that Saudi Arabia has in the past aided Pakistan, especially in energy and economic crises, some Pakistanis were angered that the government did not accept the request to join military operations in Yemen.

"This [resolution] is a huge blunder committed by Pakistani government and politicians," said Usaid Rehman, Karachi University student. "Saudi Arabia has never shown neutrality in testing times [for Pakistan] but when it needed our help, we are staying neutral."

Islamabad has on several occasions insisted that it would directly intervene if Saudi Arabia's own territory was threatened by the Houthi rebels.

Among Pakistan's Shia community there is more support for Pakistan's stance. One concern Pakistan had about joining the operation was the fear of increased sectarian violence between the Sunni majority and significant Shia minority.

"Mecca and Medina are equally scared for Shias. The Saudi government is trying to exploit the religious sentiment of Pakistanis. Otherwise, there is no threat to Mecca and Medina. It’s just a Saudi invasion of Yemen," said Allama Nasir Aftab, a prominent Shia leader.

Pakistan's government has desperately tried to patch up the damage caused to diplomatic relations by its neutrality, sending several delegations to Saudi Arabia, including one led by Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif.

The Saudi-led intervention began on March 25 and involved a heavy campaign of airstrikes until April 21, when they were officially ended. The military operation, however, continues, involving ground troops and Yemeni anti-Houthi groups.

"Time is running out for the government. It’s better for the government to itself announce support for Saudi action in Yemen otherwise the people of Pakistan will do that," said Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman Khalil, a campaigner in support of the Saudi operation, told thousands at a rally in the city of Lahore.

Several other religious groups also support Saudi Arabia, especially politically-inclined parties which have mobilized their supporters for large rallies.

Security analyst Rahimullah Yusufzai said Saudi Arabia's tactics are beginning to put the Pakistani government under pressure but that it is unlikely to backtrack on the resolution.

"Use of non-state actors to put pressure on the Pakistani government is unnecessary. The diplomatic pressure and anger shown by Saudi Arabia, and its allies is already enough to soften Islamabad’s stand," said Yusufzai.



Laughable! The Saudis need to follow and implement the ''religion'' first. Pakistan STAY well clear of the Saudis. They are NOT Islamic. We all know Christendom wants to break-up our country. Helping these hypocrites of Islam will cause that. 20% of Shia will rise-up and become terrorists! ENOUGH is ENOUGH! Read my previous post about Saudis, I'm NOT a nationalist, I'm a Muslim who cares about soldiers lives being sold! There is NO shahadah in dying to defend the House of Al-Saud. Do you want to sell your hereafter for a few thousand dollars and end-up in hell? Why? So Sharif doesn't lose face? Sharif should send his son, brothers first.

All humans are equal but not the same, some races have outperformed others due to hard work and ethics, take a look at negros for example they may be equal but not the same as they lacked ethics and morals and desire for hard work.

You're a racist!
 
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Too bad, Pakistani's don't understand Arabic :enjoy:

Actually we do! Our Islamic scholars are more knowledgeable than most Arab scholars.

Yeah, a sacred position is being used for nefarious purposes by the Saudi Govt. Shameful, very shameful indeed. The once widely respected Imam has proved himself to be just another Saudi royal.

Imam Abu Hanifa said, '' if you see a scholar at the gates of the ruler accuse him in his din.'' And these Saudi and Arab Scholars are on their payroll. We don't take religion from them. Let it come through one ear and out of the other.
 
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Actually we do! Our Islamic scholars are more knowledgeable than most Arab scholars.
Actually we DON'T! 'WE'-----here implied 'Pakistani nation', not just a bunch of religion pseudo experts. This goes to show that, no matter what sort of Arabic propaganda our Arab"brotherz" are cooking it wont reach the masses.
 
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It is incorrect that Saudi, UAE or any other arab country has come to aid us whenever it is needed. They talk like we have a responsibility to join the war in Yemen on their side but a history will tell us where any gulf country has ever come to our aid.

1) Pakistan fought at least 5 wars with India. No arab country provided a single ounce of support, now they are talking like they owe us something and we have to come to their aid in Yemen just because their ground forces are either too weak or they are racist... as Pakistani blood flowing for someone elses war is cheap.

2) There are more Indians working and living in the GCC than Pakistanis. Both Saudi and UAE have a large population of Indians and smaller concentrations of Pakistanis. If they wanted to help us they would use only Pakistani labour. We have a large enough labour force to abide.

3) Afghanistan was a disaster and that was the last time we sided with saudi arabia to invade another country. Look how that turned out. The locals hate us and if we go running into Yemen to take bullets meant for Saudis we will suffer.

4) We are fighting a war on terror at home, at times the LEJ has been funded by Saudi sheikhs. We already have a shia sunni problem at home, daily killings at the hands of the Taliban and we are eager to join yet another useless war.

5) Saudi wants a secular institution, the Pakistan Army, to screen out shia soldiers and use only sunnis in the fight, are we going to surrender the secular structure of the army?

6) Pakistan has no position in the Arab League. India is an observer member in the Arab League however. Why is Pakistan not there, because we are slaves?

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7) The Arabs are regularly given hunting licenses and some have hunted over a hundred birds, which bird, the houbara bustard that is at risk of extinction.

8) Now lets explore our help to the Arabs. We sent pilots (Sattar Alvi and Saiful Azam) in the 6 day war and in the Yom Kippur war.Even that with some cheap syrian aircrafts. We are one of the only sides with kills against Israeli pilots who are far more powerful than the middle eastern state armies,

So the onus is on Arabs to prove good allies.

some critical thinking can answer your questions
1. Saudia don't announce any monetary support it gives to Pakistan, they didnt utter a word about 1.5 billion given to
Pakistan earlier this year but your cheap politicians and media did.
2. there are more Indians, in USA, in Canada, in Australia, in Japan, in any other country....there are more Indian on this
planet than Pakistanis....period.
3. completely wrong analysis and total misguided perception....Saudis stood by Pakistan against Russian, Zia Started
Afghan war and went to Saudis for help. Saudis had no interest wather Russia takes over Afghanistan or not.
4. yes there is some merit in what you say, but international politics dont revolve around only your issues.
5. that is completely wrong again, Pakistani Shias will fight any war that is in Pakistan's interest including a war with Iran
when it comes to that.
6. Pakistan never requested to become an observer in Arab leagues, reason for that is Pakistan has very good relations
with most Arab countries. Pakistan will have more say in Arab leagues without being there.
7. Its your problem and your mismanagement dont blame Arabs for it.
8. Childish argument.
 
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