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Saudi-led Islamic military alliance: counterterrorism or counter Iran?

A great and strategic move from Pak commensurate with her glorious past of 1,000 years of Empire building!!! And, this is what the central powers like Pak and Turkey do!!! For a reason the best of Ehl-i Beyt and Sehaba-i Ekrem and their descendants moved to the sub-continent and Anatolia. And, they produced a great number of rightly guided Evliya and Ulema to teach and train the local folks. Now, it's their turn to secure the Haremain from the evil designs which are destined to fail Insha'Allah. By the by, a couple of i-Countries have been checkmated by the Pak real politik, and they appear to be not at all happy!!!!
 
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Nearly half a decade.
Too many years for any country to be stagnant.
Does not work.
Policies change with the times.

That's perfectly fine. I understand that completely. The only thing is, they better not bitch, moan, groan or say a peep about the founders being traitors and all that mumbo jumbo jive. They'll need to look in the mirror, first.

BTW, as the OP, what's your opinion? Did you take a look at the article that @Saif al-Arab posted? I'll highlight the main points later on in this post.

Because it's a cover. It was formed in 2015 by singling out the "Islamic State" (IS) as a disease tarnishing the name of Islam so my Q is what they have done regarding fighting of terrorism?

So Iran didn't join because it thinks it's a cover up, or because it knew it would face the pressure from the other 41 nations that it needs to change it's ways? That the pressure would be on it to stop it's support of many groups (without getting into specific names) in Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon even Saudiya?

But as we are and where we are... we can't say for sure with our current knowledge and position the true meaning of such alliance...

Sure we can, bro. It's clear as day. The problem some are having is because they see Saudiya as the creator and the base and they don't like it because they despise the monarchy for some reason. Let's call it like it is. That automatically makes them biased and what's worst is it doesn't bode well for the other 40 member nations including Tunisia, Pakistan, Turkey, Egypt etc. since they apparently don't see that picture and have been fooled by the Saudis. Amazing that we are smarter than all these top brass in all these governments. :-)

And let's not be blind to it either... they are not doing it for others... they are doing it to gain a supportive power.

Sure. Supportive power to combat terrorism, not supportive power for the monarchy. The Saudi monarchy doesn't need an Islamic alliance under the disguise of fighting terrorism to gain any additional power. They have all the power they need and in a few years, they will undoubtedly dominate the entire region without anyone's help. What they need to do is exactly what this alliance's goal is and that is to fight this evil that has affected each and every one of our countries in some way, shape or form. They need to curb the radicalism that is festering out of control in our beloved region and what better way to do it than collectively? That said, shame on those who haven't joined, including Algeria. And I'm a fan of Algeria, but I'm dismayed by their choice of exclusion.

So that's why there is many Question to it.

They've all been answered, Barca.

and le'ts say Terrorism is over in 10-15 years... what will be of this alliance? removed? or will be methamorphosing to something else?

Why would the fate of the alliance in 15 years matter now? Honestly, it's irrelevant. We have an existential infestation that has been and is currently tearing our countries and region apart. We need to confront it now before it's too late. 15 years from now they can either dissolve it or build upon it. The important thing is the here and now.

As for A pakistani General appointed to this alliance...well let's not fall into the simple minded observer... this alliance need Pakistan and his support and mostly their powerfull army on their side, so appointing a Pakistani general who also happen to be a Competent one is one those strategic moves and win-win.

You realize how you worded that makes it sound like they elected General Raheel Sharif because he was Pakistani first, then second because of his qualifications. That's not a positive view of the general or Pakistan, TBH. No, they all voted him and elected him strictly because of his qualifications first. The Pakistani element is a distant qual.

As for Algeria... She had fought alone for decades Terros...all alone...with no help... and they did great...
"You are always better served by yourself"
Same for Tunisia...we fought it alone... and they are almost gone...
Same goes for Egypt... I'm pretty sure ,she doesn't need foreign boots to help her... she just need time and work to achieve what she desire.

The Only one to benefit from this alliance...are the one who made it..
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You really think so? I'll tell you what, I picked the 4 major objectives of the alliance from the article that @Saif al-Arab posted a few pages back -- and from the mouth of General Raheel Sharif himself -- and I quoted them below. Take a look at them and see if you still think this whole alliance is nothing but a disguise to benefit the Saudi monarchy.

RIYADH: Gen. Raheel Sharif, the military commander of the Islamic Military Counter Terrorism Coalition (IMCTC), said on Sunday the coalition’s sole objective is to fight against terrorism and it is not against any country, sect or religion.

Right off the bat, the whole Iran/Shia Arab/Sunni thingy is right out the door. Bah bye.

At the IMCTC Ministers of Defense Council in Riyadh, Gen. Sharif said: “A number of our member countries are under tremendous pressure while fighting well established terrorist organizations due to capacity shortages of their armed forces and law enforcement agencies.”
The coalition will act as a platform to assist member countries in their counterterrorism operations through intelligence sharing and capacity building, he said.

Look at that last line. We knew that had to be one of that aspects.

“The vision of IMCTC is to have a collective response against terrorism capable of leading and coordinating the efforts of member countries with high efficiency and effectiveness,” said Pakistan’s former military chief.
Explaining the mechanism of the coalition, he said it is divided into four main domains.
The first domain, Gen. Sharif said, will focus on countering terrorist Ideology. “Effort will be made to preserve and promote Islam’s universal message of moderation, tolerance and compassion, by creating intellectual, psychological and social impact to counter the perverted radical views.

He said the IMCTC will also develop, produce and publish factual media content for dialogue to correct perceptions and discredit radical and extremist narratives.

So the alliance is going to publish media. It will essentially have a segment of it that will deal with promoting the message of moderate Islam and publicizing it. How awesome is that?

“Next is terrorist financing. IMCTC will endeavor to dry up all types of financial support to terrorist organizations,” the retired Pakistani general said.

Any intelligence service will tell you the first rule of thumb is what? Follow the money! No brainer. How can anyone not love what the general is saying so far?

Responding to a query by Arab News about the likelihood of the coalition brokering a deal with social media companies in order to remove terrorist and extremist content, the IMCTC military commander said: “The collaboration is currently taking place. Besides fighting ideology, and denouncing the terrorist spirit, a lot of collaborations is going on.”

So they've already started? Wow, they're moving right along! :-)

The IMCTC military commander said to improve coordination, joint exercise will be conducted based on near real-time scenarios demanding quick response and promoting a sense of solidarity and shared responsibility to fight terrorism.

Joint counter-terrorism military exercises to develop and sharpen interoperability. Who doesn't love military exercises and how could you do wrong with that? Even COIN exercises between member nations wouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities.

In addition, IMCTC will create a state-of-the-art intelligence and information-sharing platform to counter terrorist networks their facilitators, abettors, sympathizers and financiers. After correlating and incisive analysis of critical information, actionable intelligence will be put in place, he said.

Intelligence. Identifying the culprits who are funding these evil cretins and seize their assets and punish them with extreme prejudice. I'll say it again, who wouldn't love to see any of this stuff in full action? Cretin crushing is super enjoyable because it saves innocent lives.

Most likely the biggest priority is suffocating these vermins' access to social media of any kind. Websites, chat rooms, servers, social platforms like Facebook, SnapChat, Twitter even YouTube whatever. Have a dedicated high-tech crew monitor all these sites and weed out any potential abuser terrorist and cut their access immediately. This is really where the first line of offense should be. Do that, find their location, drop a GBU-12 on them and move to the next ones until they're vanquished.
 
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That's perfectly fine. I understand that completely. The only thing is, they better not bitch, moan, groan or say a peep about the founders being traitors and all that mumbo jumbo jive. They'll need to look in the mirror, first.

BTW, as the OP, what's your opinion? Did you take a look at the article that @Saif al-Arab posted? I'll highlight the main points later on in this post.



So Iran didn't join because it thinks it's a cover up, or because it knew it would face the pressure from the other 41 nations that it needs to change it's ways? That the pressure would be on it to stop it's support of many groups (without getting into specific names) in Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon even Saudiya?



Sure we can, bro. It's clear as day. The problem some are having is because they see Saudiya as the creator and the base and they don't like it because they despise the monarchy for some reason. Let's call it like it is. That automatically makes them biased and what's worst is it doesn't bode well for the other 40 member nations including Tunisia, Pakistan, Turkey, Egypt etc. since they apparently don't see that picture and have been fooled by the Saudis. Amazing that we are smarter than all these top brass in all these governments. :-)



Sure. Supportive power to combat terrorism, not supportive power for the monarchy. The Saudi monarchy doesn't need an Islamic alliance under the disguise of fighting terrorism to gain any additional power. They have all the power they need and in a few years, they will undoubtedly dominate the entire region without anyone's help. What they need to do is exactly what this alliance's goal is and that is to fight this evil that has affected each and every one of our countries in some way, shape or form. They need to curb the radicalism that is festering out of control in our beloved region and what better way to do it than collectively? That said, shame on those who haven't joined, including Algeria. And I'm a fan of Algeria, but I'm dismayed by their choice of exclusion.



They've all been answered, Barca.



Why would the fate of the alliance in 15 years matter now? Honestly, it's irrelevant. We have an existential infestation that has been and is currently tearing our countries and region apart. We need to confront it now before it's too late. 15 years from now they can either dissolve it or build upon it. The important thing is the here and now.



You realize how you worded that makes it sound like they elected General Raheel Sharif because he was Pakistani first, then second because of his qualifications. That's not a positive view of the general or Pakistan, TBH. No, they all voted him and elected him strictly because of his qualifications first. The Pakistani element is a distant qual.



You really think so? I'll tell you what, I picked the 4 major objectives of the alliance from the article that @Saif al-Arab posted a few pages back -- and from the mouth of General Raheel Sharif himself -- and I quoted them below. Take a look at them and see if you still think this whole alliance is nothing but a disguise to benefit the Saudi monarchy.



Right off the bat, the whole Iran/Shia Arab/Sunni thingy is right out the door. Bah bye.



Look at that last line. We knew that had to be one of that aspects.





So the alliance is going to publish media. It will essentially have a segment of it that will deal with promoting the message of moderate Islam and publicizing it. How awesome is that?



Any intelligence service will tell you the first rule of thumb is what? Follow the money! No brainer. How can anyone not love what the general is saying so far?



So they've already started? Wow, they're moving right along! :-)



Joint counter-terrorism military exercises to develop and sharpen interoperability. Who doesn't love military exercises and how could you do wrong with that? Even COIN exercises between member nations wouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities.



Intelligence. Identifying the culprits who are funding these evil cretins and seize their assets and punish them with extreme prejudice. I'll say it again, who wouldn't love to see any of this stuff in full action? Cretin crushing is super enjoyable because it saves innocent lives.

Most likely the biggest priority is suffocating these vermins' access to social media of any kind. Websites, chat rooms, servers, social platforms like Facebook, SnapChat, Twitter even YouTube whatever. Have a dedicated high-tech crew monitor all these sites and weed out any potential abuser terrorist and cut their access immediately. This is really where the first line of offense should be. Do that, find their location, drop a GBU-12 on them and move to the next ones until they're vanquished.

If I could give you a positive rating bro, I would have done that immediately. I can't agree more even if I wanted too.

This is a genuine attempt at tackling a problem (terrorism) that was long overdue and which requires such type of international cooperation. An Islamic Military Alliance made up by majority-Muslim nations and defined by them in cohesion is something that must be hailed. Even an attempt at that let alone successfully establishing a 40 + nation big alliance must be praised widely by all accounts.

Due to the political situation in the Muslim world it is impossible for all countries to join ranks due to rivalries, opposing views etc. Many of those countries who have not joined are de facto failed states whose own people/groups are highly divided. Expecting them to join is too far-fechted.

Not only that those nations who have refused to join, they are free to create their own alliance if they have any interest in combating terrorism and working with most of the Muslim world in order to do that as terrorism nowadays (whether financial or actual physical terrorism) is something that is international in nature and not only confined to one place.

I am very happy and proud that KSA is leading the way in this endeavor and giving this an attempt at least. It's very cheap for people to criticize when there is no other alternative currently and while this alliance is yet to enter anywhere near adulthood. I am also happy and proud that KSA has been working tiredly to drain the swamp at home and doing so very successfully in the past 15 years at least. The final nails in the coffin are being cemented by MbS and the current administration with great support by the people and our allies, Egypt included of course. Similar is done in Egypt after the catastrophic MB-rule.


You could spare us the propaganda from Russia Today. It's not to be taken seriously.

Last time I saw Putin was telling King Salman in person (when King Salman visited Russia not many weeks ago) how great a leader King Abdulaziz (Ibn Saud) was an how proud he was that USSR was the first country to recognize the Sultanate/Kingdom of Najd and Hijaz back in the day. Yes, MbS is very extreme. Watch out.


Just took a look at that article. It's some American nobody that is blabbering nonsense from his basement in the US. Hilarious nonsense. Might as well interview some PDF member that has never visited KSA and who is clueless about anything remotely related to KSA next time. Tragicomical but what to expect from the Indian thread starter.:lol:

EDIT: The Russians screwed up our beautiful anthem.


 
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Yes, MbS is very extreme. Watch out.

He's exactly what Saudiya needed (not to diminish the accomplishments of all predecessors) and his new role couldn't have come sooner. The impact he's had, with his age (that's a whole other fascinating and impressive thing in itself) in just a few months is reverberating across the region, including the superb changes he's already made within the Mamlaka.
 
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He's exactly what Saudiya needed (not to diminish the accomplishments of all predecessors) and his new role couldn't have come sooner. The impact he's had, with his age (that's a whole other fascinating and impressive thing in itself) in just a few months is reverberating across the region, including the superb changes he's already made within the Mamlaka.

Once the mess in Yemen is dealt with or at least contained (sadly the country has been in perpetual conflict/instability as long as the likes of Iraq and Afghanistan - unfortunately as it is such a beautiful and ancient country with great people and great potential) the focus should turn inwards and the reforms should continue and improvement on all fronts achieved hand in hand with our allies. Whether it is about combating terrorism, improving the infrastructure, investing in artificial intelligence and computer science or being less wasteful. There are literally 100's of other more useful pursuits that I could mention.

We really need to focus on what really matters rather than doing something that no country should do which is to combat terrorism and fight wars.
 
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So Iran didn't join because it thinks it's a cover up, or because it knew it would face the pressure from the other 41 nations that it needs to change it's ways? That the pressure would be on it to stop it's support of many groups (without getting into specific names) in Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon even Saudiya?

To fight terrorism Saudis need first take look at a mirror and please get into the specific names ...
 
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YOu getting even lower...
Anyway... speaking of Hadi seems critical for some...
I will not play this game of number and keep my Saoudis numbers in ISIS to myself..;since it's in no way representatif of the country neither the people... neither the first subject of this discussion about Hadi...

I hoped Arabs were better than Iranian members when it comes to that...but I'm pushed to believe otherwise..at tleast here...

Anyway
Best regards.

ps!: Don't worry about us...since only 1.5k are still alive abroad...and we know each one of them...so they gonna getpicked at the airport like the few hundreds past 3 years or get killed by passing via the Tunsiian/libyan border, like the 30 dead since last year...
Why is it that a secular and relatively Liberal Islamic country like Tunisia has the highest number of Daesh members in the Muslim world (especially relatively to the country's small population)? I don't understand this phenomenon.
 
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Why is it that a secular and relatively Liberal Islamic country like Tunisia has the highest number of Daesh members in the Muslim world (especially relatively to the country's small population)? I don't understand this phenomenon.
It's simple... it's Ignorance... and despair.
Under Ben Ali... the youth where forbidden to learn "officially" thing related to Islam... So the only source of their knowledge were biased one...
Add that to a lost youth... who saw no future except serving a purpose, that they believe to be right...
And you have it... brainwashed canon meat ... rdy to fire and be used...

Many others factors are present too... but those above are the principal ones... at least for the TN youth who went there...
 
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To whom it may concern: Treat yourself warned and there wouldn't be further reminder. Stop trolling, name calling each other and provocative posting.

Regards,
 
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It's simple... it's Ignorance... and despair.
Under Ben Ali... the youth where forbidden to learn "officially" thing related to Islam... So the only source of their knowledge were biased one...
Add that to a lost youth... who saw no future except serving a purpose, that they believe to be right...
And you have it... brainwashed canon meat ... rdy to fire and be used...

Many others factors are present too... but those above are the principal ones... at least for the TN youth who went there...
But, most of these factors are present in many other Muslim countries in North Africa, South Asia and Middle East and yet they didn't produce as much daesh fighters as Tunisia.
 
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But, most of these factors are present in many other Muslim countries in North Africa, South Asia and Middle East and yet they didn't produce as much daesh fighters as Tunisia.
Well... after the revo... many didn't had that freedom of move... Only Tunisia stabilized after the revo... Libya and Syria fell in civil war... and those who didn't had a revo... well they did produce as well... like the 2-3k from KSA... many thousands from Syria... or those important number from the EU...
In the End... the main condition is Ignorance and thinking they are doing smthing great...
Tunisia is an exporter... bc the country didn't fell... others just used "theirs" at home directly...
 
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Had this alliance be against Iran, Pakistan would never be the part of this alliance. I think Iran should at least trust Pakistan and join this alliance. Only by joining this, Iran can protect her interests better.

I hope @raptor22 read this post of yours since you pretty much nailed it right on the head in 37 words.
The other obvious matter is that if Iran has any qualms about Saudiya with regards to terrorism, it can voice that and call Saudiya out. Joining the alliance would've been a perfect platform for Iran so why did it still refuse to join?

We really need to focus on what really matters rather than doing something that no country should do which is to combat terrorism and fight wars.

Imagine if we had that luxury and these subhuman cretins weren't in the way, the prosperity that would be abound? Honestly, it's been such a struggle it's hard to fathom.

To fight terrorism Saudis need first take look at a mirror and please get into the specific names ...

There's no need, honestly, they've been mentioned already by @Saif al-Arab . If Iran thinks Saudiya is to blame for the terrorism out there, then joining the alliance would've been the best thing for it to do. Then it can call out Saudiya in front of all other 40 nations, yet it didn't. That's more damning and suspicious of Iran than anything against Saudiya to be perfectly straight with you.

I'll tell you what I think is an even more important role for both, Iran and Saudiya and that is to control the radical, freak clerics in both countries. We have the same problem in Egypt too BTW so I'm not pointing the finger out of hypocrisy, just to be clear. But separating whatever larger groups that Iran supports or that Saudiya allegedly supports, if both take a larger role in muzzling these freaks' traps and stopping them from gurgling all their twisted interpretations and promotion of hatred, that would go a long way and Saudiya has actually already started this exact thing.

Why is it that a secular and relatively Liberal Islamic country like Tunisia has the highest number of Daesh members in the Muslim world (especially relatively to the country's small population)? I don't understand this phenomenon.

And on the flip side of that is how they've done an amazing job curbing the rise of extremism and terrorism within Tunisia. This member nation here will be a huge contributor since they have this record of success that will be invaluable to the others.
 
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I hope @raptor22 read this post of yours since you pretty much nailed it right on the head in 37 words.
The other obvious matter is that if Iran has any qualms about Saudiya with regards to terrorism, it can voice that and call Saudiya out. Joining the alliance would've been a perfect platform for Iran so why did it still refuse to join?
The back-channel relationships, Iran always had, since the days of Caliph Umer RA. Iran had always been in the same diplomatic instance. They never joined hands with other muslim world. But this time, I think they should.
 
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