Saudi King Abdullah Orders $500 Million in Humanitarian Assistance to the Iraqi People

[al-Hasani]

What change???

The same changes that the ENTIRE Muslim world need to make since we have been a laughing stock (largely) for the past 500 years. Especially us Middle Eastern person's should never come to terms with that fact given our very rich pre-Islamic history and our region's (Arab world/ME) huge historical importance.

Let alone our potential today.

Look how far we could have went with sane people. Or if just a little of that potential could have been achieved.

Iraq based on history, resources, location for instance should be a powerhouse. Look at it for the past decades.

We can go on and on with several Arab countries that could/should be like that. Muslim countries too.

@Abu Zolfiqar

I don't bother discussing with you further on topics where you clearly are not on your home turf and when challenged you go in defensive mood. I remember 1-2 past debates with you concerning the Arab world and it was the same bullshit each time with all due respect. You are unable to be objective and obviously have a problem with Sunni Arabs. You are not fooling anyone here. With that username it is not that surprising anyway.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

I have a problem with immature kids who log on to a PAKISTANI DEFENCE FORUM and then spread fitna and garbage in order to confuse people into this Shiia-Sunni CRAP divisions. And then claim that others are having problem with "Sunni Arabs" (which in and of itself is beyond absurd)

and you call me defensive but spend 99% of your energy typing up enthusiastically about how others are "Wrong" or not "minding their own business"

ay kalam ya ebny, ay kalam

 

[anHuman]

The Baathists are you ultimate fear Safavid, I bet you will never get over the misery they had led you gone through.

our ultimate fear ...
last time I checked , Bashar Assad was leader of baath party in Syria ....

 

[1000]

My criticism on the dictator Al-Maliki or ISIS trash?

He's no dictator, he has too little authority to be called a dictator.
I prefer a dictator over democracy in Iraq

 

[al-Hasani]

He's no dictator, he has too little authority to be called a dictator.
I prefer a dictator over democracy in Iraq

Of course he is an dictator looking from Dutch or Danish glasses. There is no Muslim leader that rules democratically fully. You know what I mean. In any case we already agree about him. Criticism of Maliki does not equal support of ISIS. That is an absurd logic only used by retards. Both are trash. ISIS being the bigger trash but that does not mean that Al-Maliki is good.

I am pissed off each time I hear about an bombing attack in Baghdad as my relatives could be killed because of his incompetence (fake bomb detectors say hello). I dislike his sectarianism. His puppetry to the Mullah's in Iran who will do nothing good for Iraq and never did anything good.

In fact I would have beat him up and all the other incompetent/corrupt retards of the region. With pleasure. He should be thrown into some cage with relatives of dead people because of his incompetence. They would eat him alive.

You know my opinions already so I don't want to write an essay but let ignorant outsiders here make ludicrous accusations. One is already almost on steroids while making a joke out of himself in terms of knowledge about the region in the process.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

our ultimate fear ...
last time I checked , Bashar Assad was leader of baath party in Syria ....

its interesting how at one time Abd el Nasr, Assad Sr. and Saddam were part of a coalition under the "baathist" banner

 

[Alienoz_TR]

Barzani declared independence. Israel took what it wanted. ISIS can be discarded as well as Maliki.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

He's no dictator, he has too little authority to be called a dictator.
I prefer a dictator over democracy in Iraq

there has to be law & order established first.....and you cant have groups like either Kurds or ISIS talking about seperate homelands

people of all ethnic groups or denominations/sect need to be Iraqi first and ensure these outside-supported enemies of Iraqi unity are crushed like insects

Barzani declared independence.

how would that change anything? Barzani faces dissent from within the Kurdish parties

Israel took what it wanted. ISIS can be discarded as well as Maliki.

you can thank israel's regional puppets for why it is succeeding

their western-backed experiment in Syria (Al-Sham) seems to be failing though miserably, especially since Hezbollah got involved.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

there has to be law & order established first.....and you cant have groups like either Kurds or ISIS talking about seperate homelands

people of all ethnic groups or denominations/sect need to be Iraqi first and ensure these outside-supported enemies of Iraqi unity are crushed like insects

Iraq is done, Syria is done, who's next? Pakistan, Turkey, Iran or Saudi Arabia?

 

[anHuman]

its interesting how at one time Abd el Nasr, Assad Sr. and Saddam were part of a coalition under the "baathist" banner

but they went to different paths ...
and in someway all of them failed .... Abd el Naser and Hafiz Assad couldn't erase the cancer and Saddam turned Iraq to what it is now ( although he did some good things for Iraqis in beginning but madness consume his mind slowly ... )

 

[al-Hasani]

Iraq is done, Syria is done, who's next? Pakistan, Turkey, Iran or Saudi Arabia?

What do you mean by "Iraq" is done. If you mean that because the Kurds are declaring independence (nothing official but it will probably happen soon) then Kurds have had virtual independence for nearly 20 years. De facto.

Syria? How exactly should that country be divided? Again only the tiny Kurdish area in the North is relevant here. Arabs tend to be nationalistic. I don't think that Syrians will accept a division of Syria.

Turkey? What apart from the Kurdish areas could potentially be divided? Saudi Arabia? Really? All are Arabs and Shias only make up 10-15% of the population and have no interest in their own country. They are not a majority in any province so not sure how they should declare independence.

Pakistan? Not sure about that. Many ethnic groups etc. but don't think so.

Iran? Same as Pakistan.

Don't let the current (5-10 years old sectarianism) delude you. The region has been on fire many times before on dividing lines yet it was not divided.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Iraq is done, Syria is done, who's next? Pakistan, Turkey, Iran or Saudi Arabia?

Pakistan is fighting a full-blown insurgency along the Afghan border; it's going to be a long fight

Turkiye and Iran are certainly on the list. That's why I say, the more these 2 neighbors cooperate the better it will be. Both countries are similar in many ways, despite different political setups. Both are young populations, fairly nationalistic people. Onus is on you not to become slaves, or be divided.

Saudi - quite frankly as long as the oil is flowing and the "Royals" remain Yes-men, nobody needs to conquer them

 

[Alienoz_TR]

@al-Hasani

I was telling same things to @Abu Zolfiqar 7 years ago. Now we are in 2014. Shyte hit the fan long ago. Still people dont get it.

Ralph Peters' map was published in 2005 or 2006. Then came another map in Atlantic magazine in 2008. It came directly from Washington. While we pushed our heads into sands, those guys on the other side of the ocean were drawing maps.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

but they went to different paths ...
and in someway all of them failed .... Abd el Naser and Hafiz Assad couldn't erase the cancer and Saddam turned Iraq to what it is now ( although he did some good things for Iraqis in beginning but madness consume his mind slowly ... )

they failed because they adhered to leftist-socialism

Abd el Nasr was a populist but his nationalization program alienated the rich and forced them to run away; only the poor loved him, but that didnt help the economy. His economic agenda is what led to his downfall. Hafiz Assad was a worse butcher than his son is today. His way of dealing with uprisings was just to bomb villages instead of try to make compromise.

Saddam did good things for Iraq and there was law and order. He was a fatherly figure for many Iraqis but he made the same misakes this guy Maliki is making today. He let the sectarian issue breed and never addressed it. You could make the case that Assad did the same thing, which is why earlier on many of his military rank & file defected to FSA

the only reason the yanks even went after Saddam was because he threatened to trade oil using a new dinar (same idea by Colonel Qaddafi)....even on Kuwait, Saddam was not wrong. The Kuwaiti oil fields really did belong to Iraq. That is the truth of it.

@al-Hasani

I was telling same things to @Abu Zolfiqar 7 years ago. Now we are in 2014. Shyte hit the fan long ago. Still people dont get it.

Ralph Peters' map was published in 2005 or 2006. Then came another map in Atlantic magazine in 2008. It came directly from Washington. While we pushed our heads into sands, those guys on the other side of the ocean were drawing maps.

and so who will rise up and realize the plans and tell to them siktir git

 

[1000]

there has to be law & order established first.....and you cant have groups like either Kurds or ISIS talking about seperate homelands

people of all ethnic groups or denominations/sect need to be Iraqi first and ensure these outside-supported enemies of Iraqi unity are crushed like insects

We don't even want Kurds, they should go independent so we get rid of them, except recently they took areas which is not being accepted by many so I see another war coming about that. Neither Arabs nor Turkmen & Assyrians are accepting it, their political parties made this official stance, Turkmen front a political party made that statement on TV several days ago. They aren't waiting for discrimination from Kurds whom took down the national flag to replace it with theirs.

Here a Kurdi speaking, war with them about non Kurdish areas they took is inevitable after ISIS

ISIS won't stay as no one accepts them, to solve the issue between the general population we need a new leader, a secular one to implement the needed change.