Saudi Arabia’s nuclear ambitions

[ganesh177]

They are the shield and two protect those we would use nukes

Suppose if atack comes from far west europe or north america.
How are you going to reach those places ? Do you have the capability

 

[al-Hasani]

So by stirring this fear you wish to use Mecca and Madina as substititute for a nuclear shield ?

What?

I am telling you that if anyone dares to attack Makkah and Madinah there will be a very, very powerful reaction and response from the 1.7 billion big Muslim world. KSA alone and the GCC can defend themselves against any regional power/opponent/enemy state on their own.

USA, China, Russia etc. have no reason to attack KSA. Let alone Makkah and Madinah of all places in KSA.

In short nobody will attack Makkah and Madinah. They don't dare to do so.

KSA will go nuclear and that is also inevitable. If it has not already de facto.

 

[SipahSalar]

Maybe Saudis should stop wasting so much energy resources on desalination plants. Will solve a lot of their problems.

You funded it, we built it. Now we are invincible, thanks to you

Once a nation starts thinking that, Allah may decide to destroy it and its cities and it's armies. No one is invincible.

 

[al-Hasani]

Maybe Saudis should stop wasting so much energy resources on desalination plants. Will solve a lot of their problems.

What do you mean with "wasting so much energy resources on desalination plants"?

The desalination process that produces potable water from brackish seawater is not such an expensive process for a country like KSA. You have the aquifers too which are huge underwater reservoirs.
KSA is the world's largest producer of desalinated water. Desalination of mainly seawater is necessary for KSA and dozens of other countries in the world.

Desalination - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

KSA operates around 30 desalination plants that produce more than three million cubic meters a day of potable water. These plants provide more than 70 percent of the water used in cities. They are also a major source of electric power generation.

Dams are used to capture surface water after frequent flash floods. More than 200 dams collect an estimated 16 billion cubic feet of runoff annually in their reservoirs. This water is used primarily for agriculture and is distributed through thousands of miles of irrigation canals and ditches to vast tracts of fertile land.

Recycled water will also be a relatively cheap source of water. KSA aims to recycle as much as 40 percent of the water used for domestic purposes in urban areas. Large recycling plants have already been built in Riyadh, Jeddah and other major urban industrial centers. Recycled water is used for irrigation of farm fields and urban parks mainly.

World's Largest Solar Powered Desalination Plant Under Way

Check this thread out below that I already linked too previously;

KSA taps the sun to meet a third of its energy needs

Let me quote a bit from a useful article;

"Currently, Saudi Arabia runs almost entirely on hydrocarbon fossil fuel, with one quarter of the country’s vast oil and natural gas reserves held back for domestic consumption. However, the state’s leaders wish to export ever more of this finite resource to lucrative foreign markets, and are eyeing nuclear and renewable energy as the perfect, long-term replacement."

By 2032, the Saudi government estimates that power demand will surpass 120 GW per year. The goal is for renewable and nuclear power to supply half that figure by that date, with solar energy poised to stump up 41 GW, nuclear 17 GW and wind power 9 GW.

Saudi Arabia hopes to steer a greater share of that output to its export markets over the next few decades, but K. A. CARE confirmed that hydrocarbons will remain a "prime element" of the country's energy mix up to and beyond 2032. By that date, the program’s recommendations are 60 GW of hydrocarbon, 41 GW of solar power (of which 16 GW will be PV and 25 GW CSP), 17.6 GW nuclear, 9 GW wind, 3 GW waste-to-energy and 1 GW geothermal."

Read more: China, Saudi Arabia to cooperate on renewable energy development: pv-magazine

 

[SipahSalar]

The desalination process that produces potable water from brackish seawater is not such an expensive process for a country like KSA. You have the aquifers too which are huge underwater reservoirs.
KSA is the world's largest producer of desalinated water. Desalination of mainly seawater is necessary for KSA and dozens of other countries in the world.

But it's not cheap. Even for a rich nation like KSA. I read an excellent article about 5 years ago on KSA's energy problems. It mentioned that about 20% of its electricity is spent on desalination plants. And most of the energy is being generated using fossil fuels. When the oil reserves will run out, KSA will be in for a unprecedented catastrophe.
KSA needs to do two things, try to get water resources by means other than desalination. Desalination is an extremely energy demanding process, and is not worth it
Secondly, they need to look for other ways to manufacture energy. I guess as you mentioned they are already looking at other ways, like solar and nuclear. But i think it's too little too late. Instead they need to find other ways to get water to their people. Maybe from Turkey?

 

[al-Hasani]

But it's not cheap. Even for a rich nation like KSA. I read an excellent article about 5 years ago on KSA's energy problems. It mentioned that about 20% of its electricity is spent on desalination plants. And most of the energy is being generated using fossil fuels. When the oil reserves will run out, KSA will be in for a unprecedented catastrophe.
KSA needs to do two things, try to get water resources by means other than desalination. Desalination is an extremely energy demanding process, and is not worth it
Secondly, they need to look for other ways to manufacture energy. I guess as you mentioned they are already looking at other ways, like solar and nuclear. But i think it's too little too late. Instead they need to find other ways to get water to their people. Maybe from Turkey?

Your article was speaking nonsense then. There will not be any "catastrophe either". Those issues have been closely discussed for decades now.

KSA has been blessed with everything in terms of renewable energy and natural resources. All it takes is to use those resources wisely and plan ahead which is being done now.

Desalination is not a major problem for KSA. Last month KSA initiated the biggest solar powered desalination plant in the world in Khafji.

 

[Donatello]

You funded it, we built it. Now we are invincible, thanks to you

Let's get the facts straight, Saudi funding was minimum. It was Gadafi who did most of the work. He made sure Pakistan got the uranium supply from Niger and Cash from Libya.

 

[Skywalker]

Personally Saudi Arabia is the most reasonable, rational, and far thinking of the Islamic countries. They are the ones that should have had nukes instead of pakistan.

And you are?

What?

I am telling you that if anyone dares to attack Makkah and Madinah there will be a very, very powerful reaction and response from the 1.7 billion big Muslim world. KSA alone and the GCC can defend themselves against any regional power/opponent/enemy state on their own.

USA, China, Russia etc. have no reason to attack KSA. Let alone Makkah and Madinah of all places in KSA.

In short nobody will attack Makkah and Madinah. They don't dare to do so.

KSA will go nuclear and that is also inevitable. If it has not already de facto.

Have you forgotten the prophecy that both these cities will be destroyed before doomsday, and Damascus was given more importance than Meccan and madinah around the end of times.

 

[al-Hasani]

Let's get the facts straight, Saudi funding was minimum. It was Gadafi who did most of the work. He made sure Pakistan got the uranium supply from Niger and Cash from Libya.

Are you sure that it was "minimal". KSA' financial and political support is widely well-known. Especially when you got sanctioned by the international community.

Anyway this does not matter as KSA will have nuclear energy/power and 16 nuclear power plants ready by the 2030's.

Nuclear Power in Saudi Arabia

And you are?


Have you forgotten the prophecy that both these cities will be destroyed before doomsday, and Damascus was given more importance than Meccan and madinah around the end of times.

Which prophecy? Makkah and Madinah have and will always be the most holy sites in Islam. Anyway this has nothing to do with the topic discussed.

 

[Skywalker]

Your article was speaking nonsense then. There will not be any "catastrophe either". Those issues have been closely discussed for decades now.

KSA has been blessed with everything in terms of renewable energy and natural resources. All it takes is to use those resources wisely and plan ahead which is being done now.

Desalination is not a major problem for KSA. Last month KSA initiated the biggest solar powered desalination plant in the world in Khafji.

Yes it is blessed with everything available on the face of the earth, but your nation lack one most important thing, the respect for poor Muslims brotherens

Are you sure that it was "minimal". KSA' financial and political support is widely well-known. Especially when you got sanctioned by the international community.

Anyway this does not matter as KSA will have nuclear energy/power and 16 nuclear power plants ready by the 2030's.

Nuclear Power in Saudi Arabia



Which prophecy? Makkah and Madinah have and will always be the most holy sites in Islam. Anyway this has nothing to do with the topic discussed.

i am talking about your views of macca and madinah will never be destroyed, they are as holy for me as they might be for any other Muslim but...anyways good luck on your ambitions.

 

[Donatello]

Are you sure that it was "minimal". KSA' financial and political support is widely well-known. Especially when you got sanctioned by the international community.

Anyway this does not matter as KSA will have nuclear energy/power and 16 nuclear power plants ready by the 2030's.

We are talking about Nuclear weapons, not Civilian Nuclear technology, which Pakistan had access to by 1960s anyway.

Most of the technical know how and equipment came from the west. Funding from Libya and other sources, some speculate even from China. Saudia Arabia provided funds, but not the majority of it.

 

[al-Hasani]

Yes it is blessed with everything available on the face of the earth, but your nation lack one most important thing, the respect for poor Muslims brotherens

i am talking about your views of macca and madinah will never be destroyed, they are as holy for me as they might be for any other Muslim but...anyways good luck on your ambitions.

That's your theory based on the same 3-4 youtube videos and a few episodes of a few retards out of a native population of almost 30 million nowadays. Or stories from long ago.

I never said that Makkah and Madinah will never be destroyed. That's up to Allah (swt) to decide. What I wrote is that I see it as highly unlikely that anyone would dare to attack those two cities nor do I see a point of doing that.

Thank you.

We are talking about Nuclear weapons, not Civilian Nuclear technology, which Pakistan had access to by 1960s anyway.

Most of the technical know how and equipment came from the west. Funding from Libya and other sources, some speculate even from China. Saudia Arabia provided funds, but not the majority of it.

I never said anything about that. I just wrote, which is widely well-known, that KSA supported Pakistan to obtain nuclear weapons and while the country was sanctioned by the international society. Gaddafi played a role as well as you wrote. China were definitely involved just like they are involved in the Saudi Arabian nuclear sector and renewable energy area. Both KSA and Pakistan have close and warm ties with China.

Anyway we are slightly off-topic.

 

[SipahSalar]

Are you sure that it was "minimal". KSA' financial and political support is widely well-known. Especially when you got sanctioned by the international community.

Vast majority of the funding came from Libya, but yes KSA also poured in a lot of money. Here's a documentary from 1980 by BBC on our Nuclear Program,

More important support from KSA came after we got sanctioned. About $2 billion per year in oil supply.

 

[Donatello]

That's your theory based on the same 3-4 youtube videos and a few episodes of a few retards out of a native population of almost 30 million nowadays. Or stories from long ago.

I never said that Makkah and Madinah will never be destroyed. That's up to Allah (swt) to decide. What I wrote is that I see it as highly unlikely that anyone would dare to attack those two cities nor do I see a point of doing that.

Thank you.



I never said anything about that. I just wrote, which is widely well-known, that KSA supported Pakistan to obtain nuclear weapons and while the country was sanctioned by the international society. Gaddafi played a role as well as you wrote. China were definitely involved just like they are involved in the Saudi Arabian nuclear sector and renewable energy area. Both KSA and Pakistan have close and warm ties with China.

Anyway we are slightly off-topic.

Well, to cut it short, Sanctions came in 1991. Most of the work was done by then. The bomb was ready well before 1998, they needed an excuse to go ahead, which India gladly provided.

 

[Tshering22]

Good choice. Nuclear energy is cleaner and more long term in nature compared to fossil fuel.

Additionally, Saudi Arabia has vast territory that can be blanketed in advanced solar energy panels. The merit is that Saudi can even be 90% reliant on solar power due to its location near the equator and with bright sunlight.

It is easy to think that with proper thought, your country will have no shortage of energy.