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The imposing orphanage looms on the edge of Islamabad, housing 250 poor boys from across Pakistan who receive tuition, board and meals, and daily instruction in Saudi-style Islam.

A plaque over the doors identifies the generous benefactor: the International Islamic Relief Organisation, a government-sponsored charity from Saudi Arabia that the US accuses of spreading extremism and funding al-Qaida.

America may be widely despised in Pakistan – a new poll gives it 12% approval, but there is far greater tolerance for Pakistan's regional ally, Saudi Arabia, in all its controversial manifestations.

Saudi influence is pervasive, from the soaring minarets of Islamabad's Faisal mosque – the largest in Asia – to the corridors of power, where Saudi officials enjoy privileged access. In the past decade Riyadh has subsidised Pakistan's oil supply, offered gilded exile to the opposition leader Nawaz Sharif, and even attempted to solve its extremist woes.

When trouble erupted at the hardline Red Mosque in Islamabad in 2007, the Saudi ambassador was drafted in to broker peace.

But Saudi money and influence have attracted hostile scrutiny from western countries, particularly the US. Worries centre on a flood of charity donations, mainly earmarked for education, some of which finds their way into weapons and military training.

A senior western official in Islamabad said the main worry was Saudi funding for Lashkar-e-Taiba, the Pakistani militant group responsible for the 2008 Mumbai attacks. Funding appeared to have stopped since the Mumbai attacks, he said, but the group continues to solicit private money from conservative Saudis under the guise of charitable donations.

The IIRO has also come under scrutiny. In 2009 the US secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, privately warned that US intelligence had discovered the IIRO and two other state-backed charities "continue to send money overseas and, at times, fund extremism overseas", according to diplomatic cables released through WikiLeaks.

Files from Guantánamo Bay published this year show at least six detainees had been employed by IIRO, which US officials described as a "tier one terrorist NGO".

The accusations are denied at the Islamabad orphanage. "Our only business is education", said one employee who declined to be named. "We educate young boys, send them back into society, where they perform well."

Saudi money has been flowing into Pakistan since the 1980s, when state and private donors funded an explosion of madrasas. Many come from the Ahle Hadith school of Islam, a strict version of the faith that is close to the Salafist faith taught in Saudi Arabia.

The amount or nature of donations is shrouded in secrecy, as most come through the undocumented hawala traders, although a western official estimated it at "tens of millions of dollars".

Saudi Arabia's defenders say they are being unfairly maligned as terrorists. "Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have had exemplary relations since the day our country was born," said Maulana Abdul Aziz Hanif, vice-president of the Ahle-Hadith community in Pakistan.

The faith was growing in popularity, Hanif added, with "thousands" of mosques across Pakistan – the Punjabi city of Gujranwala alone has 500. He denied ties with Lashkar-e-Taiba, which fights in the name of the faith. "We want nothing to do with them," he said.

Secular critics say Saudi money and influence have had a corrosive influence on Pakistani society, encouraging a tide of conservatism: more veiled women, Islamist televangelists, and public shows of piety than ever before.

"All this hardline Islam is traceable to Saudi Arabia," said Pervez Hoodbhoy, a physics professor and outspoken critic of what he terms "Saudisation".

He recently published a picture showing a group of female students at his university in the 1980s, all bare-headed. A picture taken recently shows a cluster of heavily veiled females.

Most Pakistanis are reluctant to criticise Saudi Arabia, home to Islam's holiest shrines.

And the WikiLeaks files also show the Saudis have stepped up cooperation with the US in flushing out militant financiers. Officials insist its charities are now strictly above board. The IIRO, for instance, played a prominent role in emergency relief for victims of last year's epic floods.

Still, some coincidences are striking. The Islamabad orphanage, set up in 2002, is not a madrasa – it follows the government curriculum. But its founding principal was Sultan Amir, a retired Pakistani intelligence officer known as the "father of the Taliban".

Amir quit the following year but continued to follow the students' progress. But last year he was kidnapped by the Pakistani Taliban after accompanying a British journalist into the tribal belt. A video of his execution surfaced early last January.

Saudi Arabian charity in Pakistan offers education - or is it extremism? | World news | The Guardian
 
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Okay first of all lets clear this charity thing once and for all>

1- The problem is not the Saudi government the problem is in the people who are in between the people who take the money from A and give it to C instead of B.
2-So bare headed women is a bad sign?? I am all for freedom of choice for women regarding how much they want to cover but saying women now are covering themselves up = a step backwards?
3-mardasas= schools in arabic. I read an intersting article written I do not remember where that said "It has been found that Saudi money is used to build Madrasas instead of schools in Pakistan" I laughed so hard at this sentence.
4-I give money to charity organizations all the time believing that my money will go to help feed poor muslims across the world and I believe that I will get the ajer for my intentions in this but what the organization does with the money I give to it is impossible for me to know and it is even hard for the government to know exactly to. But making sure the money gets from point A to B instead of C is very important in KSA now. Since before it was seen that it was impossible that those pious religious men would use the money for evil.
 
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Okay first of all lets clear this charity thing once and for all>

1- The problem is not the Saudi government the problem is in the people who are in between the people who take the money from A and give it to C instead of B.
2-So bare headed women is a bad sign?? I am all for freedom of choice for women regarding how much they want to cover but saying women now are covering themselves up = a step backwards?
3-mardasas= schools in arabic. I read an intersting article written I do not remember where that said "It has been found that Saudi money is used to build Madrasas instead of schools in Pakistan" I laughed so hard at this sentence.
4-I give money to charity organizations all the time believing that my money will go to help feed poor muslims across the world and I believe that I will get the ajer for my intentions in this but what the organization does with the money I give to it is impossible for me to know and it is even hard for the government to know exactly to. But making sure the money gets from point A to B instead of C is very important in KSA now. Since before it was seen that it was impossible that those pious religious men would use the money for evil.

It's well known you guys fund Wahabism look at the Mosques in Europe Most Saudi funded, it's a breeding ground for Radicalism, I can't go to any Mosques here in the USA because the FBI spy's on them, they think Saudi Arabia funds Shariah with the Muslim brotherhood what a Stupid conspiracy.... but people tend to believe so I just pray at home. :usflag:
 
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The Saudi government itself overlooks a number of mosques in Pakistan through its consulate where the clerics are known for inciting hatred, violence and general backward ideas. Recently, after Taseers assassination, an Imam of a mosque in DHA praised Qadri and referred to Sherry Rahman as a Non-Muslim for trying to amend the blasphemy law. This made the listeners angry who reported him to the police, this wasn't the first time he was reported, his views are of the extremist persuasion and people have verbally stood against him in the mosque.

These mosques are a part of this network which is used to disperse hate filled literature and incite violence, all this is overlooked of course because of the Saudi involvement.

A report published in Daily Times on Sunday stated that Sultan Masjid was being run under the supervision of Saudi Arabia’s military attache.

SHO Amjad said that they were looking into who governed the mosque’s affairs. Chishti said, “If it turns out that he is an employee of the Saudi consulate and has diplomatic immunity, the police will file an FIR based on the law for foreigners.”

Amjad also denied that hate literature was being circulated outside mosques in the area.

In an interview with The Express Tribune in December, former president Pervez Musharraf recalled how a DG Inter-Services Intelligence was exiting Sultan Masjid and had caught a young boy distributing hate literature outside while the police was simply looking the other way.

Sultan Masjid imam accused of inciting hatred against Sherry Rehman – The Express Tribune

Its high time that the government and the people of this nation realize the damage caused to it by certain "brotherly" nations. Such outside interference and support to extremists is detrimental to the state and these issues must be solved, if Saudi is funding terrorists and hard liners, they must be stopped before it is too late.

After all they would not want another country to support anti-state elements in their own backyard.
 
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Saudi Arabia is the foremost supporter and promoter of extremist ideology not just in Pakistan but really through out the world - In Pakistan funds collected from ordinary Saudis go to support the TTP among a host of radical sectarian organization -- Some have said that most Saudis are not aware that the funds they contribute from a genuine sense of brotherly and religious obligations go to arm the TTP and sectarian outfits that daily machine gun and bomb the armed forces and ordinary citizens of Pakistan - and while I will concede this may be the case that the ordinary people do not know, let me add that for the last 30 years the Wahabi and the Rouhanian e Islam of Iran have been fighting their war of "truth" on Pakistani soil - and it must end and the Saudi government cannot hide and claim that it is not involved in the funding and promotion of this war, the princes and the Wahabi are one and the same.
 
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The recent attacks on the Saudi consulate and their workers were allegedly carried out by Iranian proxies, another "brotherly" nation which has a history of supporting sectarian groups in Pakistan like Saudi.

This was "revenge" for certain attacks by Saudi sponsored groups that occured in Pakistan.

Now all this nonsense has been going on for decades and this has only hurt Pakistan while others flourished.

I feel its high time to payback in full.
 
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Naqvi stresses national unity

CHINIOT - Millat-e-Jafaria Pakistan leader Syed Sajid Ali Naqvi appealed to the nation to unit on a single platform for stability and integration of Pakistan, criticising loadshading of electricity and gas and shortage of patrol.

He also said that the government had failed to quell terrorism while addressing a press conference in Kulia Ahele Bait. He said, “Our county is passing through critical circumstances. Suicide attacks have killed thousands of innocent people. America is the biggest terrorist in the world. She was killing dozens innocent citizens almost everyday by drone attacks. She is planning to control nuclear assets of the country.”
He also addressed a congregation of at Khatme Nubuwat Chowk.

Divisional president Syed Muhammad Raza Shahd, Kulia Ahle Bait Qazi Ghulam Principal Murtaza, Mauala Kalabe Hussain Shia Ulema Council District President Syed Ali Imran were also present.
 
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Forigne Charities should be going to Pakistani Government and from there they should be given to Universities and Schools - no charity should be allowed directly
 
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Forigne Charities should be going to Pakistani Government and from there they should be given to Universities and Schools - no charity should be allowed directly

Do you trust the government that "all" of the charity will go through??
 
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I cannot say how true it is, but taking money from whosoever, is followed by undue influence...
 
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It's well known you guys fund Wahabism look at the Mosques in Europe Most Saudi funded, it's a breeding ground for Radicalism, I can't go to any Mosques here in the USA because the FBI spy's on them, they think Saudi Arabia funds Shariah with the Muslim brotherhood what a Stupid conspiracy.... but people tend to believe so I just pray at home. :usflag:
Shariah is the LAW of Islam every Muslims should fund for it

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I cannot say how true it is, but taking money from whosoever, is followed by undue influence...
A Muslim should help other Muslims if we all follow Islam their will be issue influence
 
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Saudis certainly have helped Pakistan a lot through aid but all that effort wasted because they exported Wahabism with that aid which in my opinion had a far worse impact on society of Pakistan then the good affect of that aid.In any case, it's our own fault.
 
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Shariah is the LAW of Islam every Muslims should fund for it

---------- Post added at 09:08 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:07 AM ----------


A Muslim should help other Muslims if we all follow Islam their will be issue influence
So I take it Wahabism is the only Sharia or can we also import Sharia from Iran i.e Shia Version of Shria???I am confused!As far as your last line tell that to arabs my friend they will put you in your place just for being a third class muslim.
 
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☪☪☪☪;1913515 said:
So I take it Wahabism is the only Sharia or can we also import Sharia from Iran i.e Shia Version of Shria???I am confused!As far as your last line tell that to arabs my friend they will put you in your place just for being a third class muslim.
Sir Islam is Islam and their is not a lost of difference between shariah there are only some issues in which Sects have difference but not all of them and Sir Shariah is the LAW of Islam it prohibits many things which are going on in today's time and also allow many things things it is the LAW of ALLAH which has to be implemented
 
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