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Saudi Arabia will build its first airplane (military & civilian) factory with (Antonov Ukraine)

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Summary:

- New factory will be making an improved version of the Antonov An-32 called AN-132, which is a twin-engined turboprop military transport vehicle, and acquiring full property and intellectual rights to the plane by SA.

- The deal includes training of Saudi engineers and technicians by Antonov.

- This new deal will create the necessary infrastructure and transfer essential know-how and technology of making large and military airplanes, in order to absorb higher technologies from U.S. corporations, specifically Pratt & Whitney and Honeywell.

- The AN-132 plane will be tested in Saudi airspace within 18 months.

- There's a high demand for the AN-32, especially in India.

- The new factory will be in Taif, near the new Taif int. Airport.

- When asked about Antanov and why was it selected for this deal. KACST's chief said that Antonov was one of the top 3 plane manufacturers in the world, along with Boeing and Airbus, and it was the only one that agreed to this level of Tot (transfer of technology) and corporation and that It also make the biggest airplanes.

- The full financial details of the deal was not disclosed and may "never be."
 
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If the factory is in Britain, that means no jobs for Ukrainians? So it's just An-32 rather than developing a bomber to bomb Yemen?
 
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If the factory is in Britain, that means no jobs for Ukrainians? So it's just An-32 rather than developing a bomber to bomb Yemen?
That would be a some fast track development, however after bombing of Jizan, rest assure Saudis will not wait for An-32.
 
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There's no mentioning of Britain, it was a mistranslation.

Development of the new aircraft would be exclusive to Saudi and Ukrainian nationals only.
New factory will be in Taif, Saudi Arabia.
 
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Can Ukraine's aviation giant airlift the nation's economy out of crisis?

The aircraft-maker Antonov is the closest thing Ukraine has to an industrial 'national champion' that might achieve worldwide success. But the hurdles it faces are many.

By Fred Weir, Correspondent SEPTEMBER 18, 2014
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Fred Weir/The Christian Science Monitor​

KIEV, UKRAINE — Dmytro Kiva has spent his life designing those gargantuan and ultra-rugged Antonov transport planes, the kind that always seem to get summoned when anyone in the world has a load that's too big, or too heavy for any other aircraft to haul.

Now the eagle-eyed, gray-haired president of the Antonov company has been handed a task that seems even more daunting than his fleet's heavy lifting. As ties with the company's traditional partner, Russia, go down the drain, he needs to take Antonov's sheaf of tried-and-true Soviet-era designs, plus some exciting new projects, and find new markets and investors for them in the West.

"We really need the West to turn its face to us. We understand that we urgently need to change the vector of our cooperation," Mr. Kiva says.

Antonov is the closest thing Ukraine has to an industrial "national champion" with international appeal that could help pull the entire country into the global economy. It not only has a venerable history, it also possesses a few cutting-edge, but largely untested designs that Kiva insists could find a solid niche in a crowded aviation market.

Most Western countries tend to favor their own producers, with tax subsidies, political support, and military contracts. And until recently Kiev-based Antonov, like most Ukrainian military manufacturers, had been somewhat joined-at-the-hip with the Russian defense complex, and therefore shunned in the West as an "eastern bloc" producer.

Hence, Kiva argues, if the West truly wants to pry Ukraine from Russia's embrace, it should give Antonov a political leg-up in its drive to find new markets. If a company like Antonov can't make it, he implies, what hope is there for Ukraine?

An-124 Ruslan, which was the USSR's answer to Lockheed's C-5 Galaxy. The Ruslan is still the world's biggest cargo plane. Its would-be successor, the humongous An-225 Mriya – only one of which exists – is so powerful that it can sling more than twice the maximum load of a C-5.

Today the company survives by renting out its fleet of transport planes, and selling as yet small numbers of its new mid-range, short-take-off-and-landing An-248 passenger plane, which it hopes could put it into competition with companies like Canada's Bombardier and Brazil's Embraer.

But some of its most promising projects have been derailed by the near state-of-war that now exists between Russia and Ukraine, and the Kiev government's order to halt all military cooperation with Russia. Earlier this year Antonov swallowed a $150 million loss by tearing up a contract to supply the Russian Air Force with a military version of its medium-range An-148, in protest over the annexation of Crimea.

Then there was the now-defunct joint venture with Russia to build a new military transport plane, the An-70, that could haul troops and armored vehicles over thousands of miles and land on grass airstrips. It had been hoped the project would create tens of thousands of jobs in both countries, and provide Russian and Ukrainian armed forces with world-class airlift capabilities.

That's a vanished dream now, but Antonov owns the design for the An-70, and Kiva hopes it can be improved and offered to Western air forces. "This plane is unique," he says.

The Ukrainian Air Force has lost several of its Soviet-era transport aircraft – including at least one Antonov – in the fighting against rebels in the east. But that hasn't triggered any new orders, says Kiva. "The Ukrainian army needs this plane too, but I fear our state can't afford to buy it now. Serious production would require serious investment."

is in production. And further fallout between the two countries could trigger Ukrainian sanctions on civilian aircraft.

"It doesn't profit either Russia or Ukraine to end this cooperation, but the logic of sanctions is in the driver's seat right now," says Nikolai Sungurovsky, a military expert with the independent Razumkov Center in Kiev. "This crisis was a wake up call. All these industries need to develop a new model of working, and start to reorient themselves on new markets in the West."

One thing that might help military companies like Antonov, he says, is Ukraine's recent decision to seek membership in NATO. "A lot of Western military buyers only deal with NATO arms producers. As we move away from Russia, and closer to NATO, they may take a new look at Ukrainian military products," Mr. Sungurovsky says.

Refitting a company
Critics say Antonov, a state-owned company, is old-style industrial behemoth that needs sweeping reforms. So far the Ukrainian government has talked about supporting Antonov through its painful transition, but not ponied up much cash. Experts say foreign buyers would be reluctant to buy a plane like the An-70 if the country's own air force isn't using it. And Western governments also want to steer business to their own manufacturers, rather than a struggling Ukrainian competitor.

Kiva says there are plans to transform Antonov into a Western-style corporation, and maybe even launch an IPO in London. "We hope we can raise the value of our company, and attract new investment," he says.

But he shrugs, and admits that none of that is on the company's short-term agenda. "Frankly speaking, as long as this war goes on everything will remain up in the air. No one wants to invest in an unstable state. What we need is peace."

Can Ukraine's aviation giant airlift the nation's economy out of crisis? - CSMonitor.com

There's no mentioning of Britain, it was a mistranslation.

Development of the new aircraft would be exclusive to Saudi and Ukrainian nationals only.
New factory will be in Taif, Saudi Arabia.

Some people are just "amazing" if you understand what I mean here.:lol:

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Summary:

- New factory will be making an improved version of the Antonov An-32 called AN-132, which is a twin-engined turboprop military transport vehicle, and acquiring full property and intellectual rights to the plane by SA.

- The deal includes training of Saudi engineers and technicians by Antonov.

- This new deal will create the necessary infrastructure and transfer essential know-how and technology of making large and military airplanes, in order to absorb higher technologies from U.S. corporations, specifically Pratt & Whitney and Honeywell.

- The AN-132 plane will be tested in Saudi airspace within 18 months.

- There's a high demand for the AN-32, especially in India.

- The new factory will be in Taif, near the new Taif int. Airport.

- When asked about Antanov and why was it selected for this deal. KACST's chief said that Antonov was one of the top 3 plane manufacturers in the world, along with Boeing and Airbus, and it was the only one that agreed to this level of Tot (transfer of technology) and corporation and that It also make the biggest airplanes.

- The full financial details of the deal was not disclosed and may "never be."

:cheers:

P.S: Ukrainian women are hot as hell. Time to "import" more Slavs like in the "good old days". Joking aside.:lol:
 
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You did not get the joke. I was obviously not serious at all.

Thank you Horus. Can we expect increased KSA/GCC/Arab cooperation with Pakistan on the aviation and military front?

Are "our "leaders sleeping?

Certainly. KSA is following the same path Pakistan followed to build our aviation industry. While our resources are limited, that is not true for KSA. Cooperation with Anantov is a leap forward which will only pan out with the passage of time. These air lifters can be used for dozens of applications which makes them truly multi purpose platforms.
 
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I wasn't expecting this kind of Joke on Public forum...

Well, my intention was not to "harm" anyone and the moderators are free to delete that part of my post and give me an infraction if they deem that sentence to be against the rules. Honestly I am surprised by your comment because I have seen much worse comments just today on this section and others. My post was an obvious joke anyway. Should be obvious for everyone. I even wrote JOKING ASIDE and attached a smiley.

Certainly. KSA is following the same path Pakistan followed to build our aviation industry. While our resources are limited, that is not true for KSA. Cooperation with Anantov is a leap forward which will only pan out with the passage of time. These air lifters can be used for dozens of applications which makes them truly multi purpose platforms.

Yes, indeed. What you forget here is that while Pakistan might not be the richest country out there for now but the potential is very big and you got manpower which is not something that you can buy with money. For instance your population is 100 times bigger than UAE (native population). Money can't buy that. Also you have a significant industrial base.

That's what I keep saying to the non-GCC Arab states with large populations who give up in advance. A big population is a very big asset on the long run. In fact only second to water IMO.

The Muslim world and especially KSA/GCC/Arab world and Pakistan should cooperate much more on such fronts. I don't understand why this is not happening more?

Shame on those idiotic leaders of ours.
 
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Well, my intention was not to "harm" anyone and the moderators are free to delete that part of my post and give me an infraction if they deem that sentence to be against the rules. Honestly I am surprised by your comment because I have seen much worse comments just today on this section and others. My post was an obvious joke anyway. Should be obvious for everyone. I even wrote JOKING ASIDE and attached a smiley.



Yes, indeed. What you forget here is that while Pakistan might not be the richest country out there for now but the potential is very big and you got manpower which is not something that you can buy with money. For instance your population is 100 times bigger than UAE (native population). Money can't buy that. Also you have a significant industrial base.

That's what I keep saying to the non-GCC Arab states with large populations who give up in advance. A big population is a very big asset on the long run. In fact only second to water IMO.

The Muslim world and especially KSA/GCC/Arab world and Pakistan should cooperate much more on such fronts. I don't understand why this is not happening more?

Shame on those idiotic leaders of ours.

Lack of vision that is. With GCC's money and Pakistan's manpower, we could've created a gigantic military industry that would rival Russia and France's.
 
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Lack of vision that is. With GCC's money and Pakistan's manpower, we could've created a gigantic military industry that would rival Russia and France's.

How can we (the common man and woman) spread the word to our idiotic leaders so they will be able to see the obvious potential and need for cooperation that would benefit all parties?
 
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How can we (the common man and woman) spread the word to our idiotic leaders so they will be able to see the obvious potential and need for cooperation that would benefit all parties?

By forming groups and talking to powerful people. I don't think there is any issue with Pakistan not willing to work with GCC on military technology areas, its the other way around.
 
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