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Saudi Arabia Wants to Buy 72 Rafale Multirole Fighter

the 72 optional were not happening a while ago when they order 84 f15-sa and upgrade kits for the "s" variant they already have.
i have not been told by my sources of such a deal, my guess..... its a hoax

The follow on Typhoon order was cancelled because of this.

A delicate negotiation to sell UK-built fighter jets to Saudi Arabia could be at risk after the Saudi ambassador attacked Britain for cancelling a prison contract over criticism of Riyadh’s human rights record.

In a rare public intervention, Prince Mohammed bin Nawaf bin Abdulaziz said that “if the extensive trade links between the two countries are going to be subordinate to certain political ideologies, then this vital commercial exchange is going to be at risk”.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f8085f00-7bd8-11e5-93c6-bba4b4b36134.html#axzz3wJXwsuTA

 
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The follow on Typhoon order was cancelled because of this.

A delicate negotiation to sell UK-built fighter jets to Saudi Arabia could be at risk after the Saudi ambassador attacked Britain for cancelling a prison contract over criticism of Riyadh’s human rights record.

In a rare public intervention, Prince Mohammed bin Nawaf bin Abdulaziz said that “if the extensive trade links between the two countries are going to be subordinate to certain political ideologies, then this vital commercial exchange is going to be at risk”.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f8085f00-7bd8-11e5-93c6-bba4b4b36134.html#axzz3wJXwsuTA
that link was very recent, the saudis orderd 84 f15's a while ago. which would have been when they would have taken the option back then. but its not to late, the tranch 3b may be ordered by the raf and this can be exported, along with the 36 tranch 3a they (saudi arabia) have ordered.
 
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that link was very recent, the saudis orderd 84 f15's a while ago. which would have been when they would have taken the option back then. but its not to late, the tranch 3b may be ordered by the raf and this can be exported, along with the 36 tranch 3a they (saudi arabia) have ordered.

I don't see that happening anymore. It wasn't wise of the British gov to cancel that prison deal. But don't take my word for it. Here check this out courtesy of the Daily Telegraph.

Defence giant BAE Systems is unlikely to sell more Typhoon jets to Saudia Arabia because of political tensions with the UK, according to Credit Suisse.

The impact of not landing a deal to sell more to the supersonic fighters has resulted in the broker downgrading the FTSE 100 business from “outperform” to “neutral” and cutting its target price from 590p to 460p.
Credit Suisse had expected Saudi Arabia to order a further 48 Typhoons to add to the fleet of 72 jets it bought in 2007 from the Eurofighter consortium, of which BAE is part.

However, analysts at the bank now think that strained relations between London and Riyadh mean a further order could be delayed or the Saudis could buy a different aircraft altogether.

The tension comes after the Downing Street cancelled a £5.9m deal to provide Ministry of Justice expertise to the Saudi prison service after ex-pat British pensioner Karl Andree was sentenced to 350 lashes for making home-made wine.

Saudi Amabassador to London Mohammed bin Nawaf bin Abdulaziz used a column in the Telegraph to warn the relationship between the two countries was in danger, saying: “If the extensive trade links between the two countries are going to be subordinate to certain political ideologies, then this vital commercial exchange is going to be at risk. We want this relationship to continue but we will not be lectured to by anyone.”

The analysts at Credit Suisse also cited reports of the sudden cancellation of a trip by British MPs and officials to Saudi Arabia as further evidence of weakening ties.

Credit Suisse had modelled its forecasts for BAE on the Saudis ordering more Eurofighters in late 2015 and Ian King, BAE chief executive, spelled out the importance of more Typhoon orders as his company assembled the jets at its base in Warton, Lancashire.

Speaking at the time of the company’s interim results in July, he said: “We have always said the second half of this year was important to Typhoon. Without more orders we will have to look at slowing down production [to keep the Typhoon line running], which could mean additional cost. We want to have continuous production.”

Noting that the “first driver of a major defence export is political will”, analysts Olivier Brochet and Ashlee Ramanathan said: “This puts at risk the order of an additional batch of 48 Typhoons by Saudi Arabia (and potentially a smaller order by its close ally Bahrain).

"BAE Systems has conditioned its 2015 earnings growth guidance to the conclusion of a combat aircraft deal. This situation makes it difficult for the group to achieve its target.”

They also warned that Saudi Arabia could buy F-15 fighters (pictured above) from the US or Rafales from France as a result, which would “imply a major shift in Saudi Arabia's defence position”.

Calculating the impact of failing to secure the order, Credit Suisse cut its operating profit forecast for BAE by 3pc to 4pc for each year through to 2018. It also slashed expectations for 2019 and 2020 by 11pc.

BAE downgraded on doubts over Typhoon orders from Saudia Arabia - Telegraph
 
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I don't see that happening anymore. It wasn't wise of the British gov to cancel that prison deal. But don't take my word for it. Here check this out courtesy of the Daily Telegraph.

Defence giant BAE Systems is unlikely to sell more Typhoon jets to Saudia Arabia because of political tensions with the UK, according to Credit Suisse.

The impact of not landing a deal to sell more to the supersonic fighters has resulted in the broker downgrading the FTSE 100 business from “outperform” to “neutral” and cutting its target price from 590p to 460p.
Credit Suisse had expected Saudi Arabia to order a further 48 Typhoons to add to the fleet of 72 jets it bought in 2007 from the Eurofighter consortium, of which BAE is part.

However, analysts at the bank now think that strained relations between London and Riyadh mean a further order could be delayed or the Saudis could buy a different aircraft altogether.

The tension comes after the Downing Street cancelled a £5.9m deal to provide Ministry of Justice expertise to the Saudi prison service after ex-pat British pensioner Karl Andree was sentenced to 350 lashes for making home-made wine.

Saudi Amabassador to London Mohammed bin Nawaf bin Abdulaziz used a column in the Telegraph to warn the relationship between the two countries was in danger, saying: “If the extensive trade links between the two countries are going to be subordinate to certain political ideologies, then this vital commercial exchange is going to be at risk. We want this relationship to continue but we will not be lectured to by anyone.”

The analysts at Credit Suisse also cited reports of the sudden cancellation of a trip by British MPs and officials to Saudi Arabia as further evidence of weakening ties.

Credit Suisse had modelled its forecasts for BAE on the Saudis ordering more Eurofighters in late 2015 and Ian King, BAE chief executive, spelled out the importance of more Typhoon orders as his company assembled the jets at its base in Warton, Lancashire.

Speaking at the time of the company’s interim results in July, he said: “We have always said the second half of this year was important to Typhoon. Without more orders we will have to look at slowing down production [to keep the Typhoon line running], which could mean additional cost. We want to have continuous production.”

Noting that the “first driver of a major defence export is political will”, analysts Olivier Brochet and Ashlee Ramanathan said: “This puts at risk the order of an additional batch of 48 Typhoons by Saudi Arabia (and potentially a smaller order by its close ally Bahrain).

"BAE Systems has conditioned its 2015 earnings growth guidance to the conclusion of a combat aircraft deal. This situation makes it difficult for the group to achieve its target.”

They also warned that Saudi Arabia could buy F-15 fighters (pictured above) from the US or Rafales from France as a result, which would “imply a major shift in Saudi Arabia's defence position”.

Calculating the impact of failing to secure the order, Credit Suisse cut its operating profit forecast for BAE by 3pc to 4pc for each year through to 2018. It also slashed expectations for 2019 and 2020 by 11pc.

BAE downgraded on doubts over Typhoon orders from Saudia Arabia - Telegraph
i know the saudis are not buying more eft's kuwait is buying 28 as an agreement has been reaced and all it needs is aproving from parliment
 
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i know the saudis are not buying more eft's kuwait is buying 28 as an agreement has been reaced and all it needs is aproving from parliment

Let's wait and see if the Kuwaiti deal goes through the parliament now, after the Saudi fiasco.
 
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That day is not so far WHEN THEY WANT TO BUY F-22............... give us F-22 or we will stop supplying oil to USA. :devil:
 
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That day is not so far WHEN THEY WANT TO BUY F-22............... give us F-22 or we will stop supplying oil to USA. :devil:

They only buy, if the would just invest on to build their own Plane, they would be more successful.
 
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They only buy, if the would just invest on to build their own Plane, they would be more successful.
yes you are right but the question is do they have the capability? do they want to build there own jet? do they have brain? i don,t know may be the ans is yes or may be not. but i know one think "They know how to wast money"........:coffee:
 
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That day is not so far WHEN THEY WANT TO BUY F-22............... give us F-22 or we will stop supplying oil to USA. :devil:
Fat chance, as it is no longer produced and US will not hand down any from their own limited number (195: 8 test and 187 operational aircraft)

Produced F-22: 1996–2011

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It doesnt make sense when they have the Eurofighter Typhoon.

It does in one context :
c) Bargaining chip, to help drive down the cost of the additional purchase of Typhoons
d) Some other (non-military) reason e.g. to please France.

C- from Penguin above is the most likely reason. Check @nangyale 's answer in top post of this page.
Threatening to buy from a competitor is quite a common occurrence in the multi-billion deals' market.

But there is a dimension to D ( still from above ) that I'm surprised our astute avian friend missed. :eek:
If a coalition of friendly countries ( say the re-formed Arab League's QRF ) expects common operations,
it makes sense to have a common platform ... especially one that can do network-centric based capa-
bilities enhancement?


So, it's an improbable buy nonetheless for all the reasons mentioned through this thread by all but not
such an illogical as to be impossible.

Great year all, Tay.
 
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It does in one context :


C- from Penguin above is the most likely reason. Check @nangyale 's answer in top post of this page.
Threatening to buy from a competitor is quite a common occurrence in the multi-billion deals' market.

But there is a dimension to D ( still from above ) that I'm surprised our astute avian friend missed. :eek:
If a coalition of friendly countries ( say the re-formed Arab League's QRF ) expects common operations,
it makes sense to have a common platform ... especially one that can do network-centric based capa-
bilities enhancement?


So, it's an improbable buy nonetheless for all the reasons mentioned through this thread by all but not
such an illogical as to be impossible.

Great year all, Tay.
C could be right if its used as a bargaining chip,which would mean,there wont be a deal for the Rafale,''Wants to buy'' could mean anything but, actually buying it,or am i wrong?
D How is that going to work when it takes years of training for the pilots and all the maintenance,technical service,spareparts etc?
And another point,how can the Rafale be ''cheaper''(both seem equal platforms) then the Typhoon when ''we know'' how costly French systems/platforms are?
 
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or am i wrong?
D How is that going to work when it takes years of training for the pilots and all the maintenance,technical service,spareparts etc?
And another point,how can the Rafale be ''cheaper''(both seem equal platforms) then the Typhoon when ''we know'' how costly French systems/platforms are?

Nope, you got it : that's a reason why Rafale is mentioned but not one to buy it at all.

Yes, all training of either the Egyptian or Qatari personnels are included in the deals.
Do remember however that maintenance on high tech birds requires more knowledge
& skills but less time to master if you have the required level. If there are enough up-
to-date young pilots and grease monkeys, it won't be a problem. In any case, the ad-
justment variable is the Armée de l'Air, both for production and training, and recent if
belated modernization deals for the M2000 fleet clear just enough breathing room for
it. The industrial part in particular is imaginary : more orders to fill is why they exist!
They'll crank up the chains' output with a smile!


We know nothing of the sort! Armaments with high tech onboard are often costlier in
France, yes but that mostly stems from doing all the R&D and Production in house for
strategic reasons. The Rafale as a product is not more expensive than a Typhoon.
So MICAs and Hammers being expensive, fine! But how could a Meteor or Scalp cost
more since they're the same product no matter which platform they adorn? Where is
the guarantee that an RBE2 and a Captor have a price difference, both sourced in the
same European foundries and both developed independently from the US MIC?
And of course, if the buyer has the same autonomy concerns as we do back home ...
well, the extra dollars/Euros won't seem extravagant then?


Good day mate, Tay.
 
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Nope, you got it : that's a reason why Rafale is mentioned but not one to buy it at all.

Yes, all training of either the Egyptian or Qatari personnels are included in the deals.
Do remember however that maintenance on his tech birds requires more knowledge
& skills but less time to master if you have the required level. If there are enough up
to date young pilots and grease monkeys, it won't be a problem. In any case, the ad-
justment variable is the Armée de l'Air, both for production and training, and recent if
belated modernization deals for the M2000 fleet clear just enough breathing room for
it. The industrial part in particular is imaginary : more orders to fill is why they exist!
They'll crank up the chains' output with a smile!


We know nothing of the sort! Armaments with high tech onboard are often costlier in
France, yes but that mostly stems from doing all the R&D and Production in house for
strategic reasons. The Rafale as a product is not more expensive than a Typhoon.
So MICAs and Hammers being expensive, fine! But how could a Meteor or Scalp cost
more since they're the same product no matter which platform they adorn? Where is
the guarantee that an RBE2 and a Captor have a price difference, both sourced in the
same European foundries and both developed independently from the US MIC?
And of course, if the buyer has the same autonomy concerns as we do back home ...
well, the extra dollars/Euros won't seem extravagant then?


Good day mate, Tay.
:tup: Good day Tay.
 
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why is it to want to recieve things as gifts? dont you feel a bit embarrased that your country is asking for thing for free. hypothetically. have you not been told you should work for somthing not beg for it.

Why do you have a problem ,Saudia and Pakistan are brotherly states we train there army and commandos we also Give them military tech like Al-khalid tanks and trainer aircraft , we have helped them in conflicts and wars ,we are not begging for anything you wont understand you just want to give negative comments about Pakistan always
 
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