SAUDI ARABIA REPORTEDLY INTERESTED IN THE JF-17 THUNDER

[Divergent]

Those days are gone. The A-10 is getting less and less relevant in a modern CAS environment.
The newer pods can do all the I.D that required the A-10 pilots eyeball back in 1975.

Really Oscar, really?

 

[SQ8]

Really Oscar, really?

Yes really. What was the asset that was able to provide best station time and massive firepower to US troops on day 1 in Afghanistan?

 

[Basel]

It not abt just large payload and good loiter time. F-15 is not suit for low attitude, slow speed CAS that need to ID, target and destroy mobile ground target.

A-10 and Su-25 large payload and slow speed at low attitude makes them idea for CAS role.

They can add CBU-105 & Brimstones to make F-15S a very deadly CAS aircraft.

 

[Divergent]

Yes really. What was the asset that was able to provide best station time and massive firepower to US troops on day 1 in Afghanistan?

 

[SQ8]

Pretty display pics not maketh the person. Just attract perverts.

And oh, for the thread. It was the B-52

 

[Divergent]

Pretty display pics not maketh the person. Just attract perverts.

And oh, for the thread. It was the B-52

It's changed and I so knew that but thought I'd let you have your glory

 

[Beast]

They can add CBU-105 & Brimstones to make F-15S a very deadly CAS aircraft.

Listen, CAS is not just about having large payload and having fancy weapon dangling around the plane. CAS needs to crucially coordinate especially with ground troops to provide fire power to destroy the enemy nearby. If you fly too fast. You will fly pass your target and need to make another dangerous U-turn , not only waste time but making yourselves more prone to enemy counter fire. What's more during Vietnam war. The F-4 perform badly in CAS role in Vietnam as they could not acquire the real target and end up bombing friendly forces.

They could not fly low enough to make the correct ID and enemy targets are no stationery but mobile. F-15S is most useful only in bombing stationery target and is far from useful as a CAS in engaging mobile enemy. You can add all the fanciful weapon but it's still ill suit as CAS.

 

[Hell hound]

Listen, CAS is not just about having large payload and having fancy weapon dangling around the plane. CAS needs to crucially coordinate especially with ground troops to provide fire power to destroy the enemy nearby. If you fly too fast. You will fly pass your target and need to make another dangerous U-turn , not only waste time but making yourselves more prone to enemy counter fire. What's more during Vietnam war. The F-4 perform badly in CAS role in Vietnam as they could not acquire the real target and end up bombing friendly forces.

They could not fly low enough to make the correct ID and enemy targets are no stationery but mobile. F-15S is most useful only in bombing stationery target and is far from useful as a CAS in engaging mobile enemy. You can add all the fanciful weapon but it's still ill suit as CAS.

that is why u have targeting pods.to identify and lock the moving target for more than 25 km away

 

[Beast]

that is why u have targeting pods.to identify and lock the moving target for more than 25 km away

Yes, technology improve thing and make things better. But in some situation when these technology failed or your target pod jam/blind by enemy countermeasures. What do you do?

You will still need to go back to old school method of manually fly low, fly slow , ID , lock on and rid your enemy with guns or fire. This is something F-15 is never suit for.

 

[Basel]

Listen, CAS is not just about having large payload and having fancy weapon dangling around the plane. CAS needs to crucially coordinate especially with ground troops to provide fire power to destroy the enemy nearby. If you fly too fast. You will fly pass your target and need to make another dangerous U-turn , not only waste time but making yourselves more prone to enemy counter fire. What's more during Vietnam war. The F-4 perform badly in CAS role in Vietnam as they could not acquire the real target and end up bombing friendly forces.

They could not fly low enough to make the correct ID and enemy targets are no stationery but mobile. F-15S is most useful only in bombing stationery target and is far from useful as a CAS in engaging mobile enemy. You can add all the fanciful weapon but it's still ill suit as CAS.

Dear, it's 21st century and A-10 & Su-25 type specialist CAS planes are not required by majority of countries, in good hands F-15S / SA will be very good CAS aircraft, give it to PAF against India in any future conflict and they will prove its capabilities in CAS too.

 

[Beast]

Dear, it's 21st century and A-10 & Su-25 type specialist CAS planes are not required by majority of countries, in good hands F-15S / SA will be very good CAS aircraft, give it to PAF against India in any future conflict and they will prove its capabilities in CAS too.

Read above my reply.

 

[Hell hound]

when these technology failed or your target pod jam/blind by enemy countermeasures. What do you do?

you abort the god damn mission and live to fight another day because these incidents increase the risk by many folds.
flying low and slow for long period as CAS in today's battlefield is too dangerous. modern sams and manpads will make the mince meat out of you in moments.

 

[Incog_nito]

But many analyst now suggest that Pakistan is out of the game with Middle East countries and the relationships are not good too.

 

[Windjammer]

Land Platforms
Royal Saudi Air Force JF-17: Poor fit or hedge against the future
Reed Foster, Perth, Australia - IHS Jane's International Defence Review
10 January 2017


Key Points

• Saudi Arabia currently operates a mix of Western multirole aircraft
• The acquisition of the JF-17 is also likely for economic and political reasons

On a visit to Pakistan in November 2016, commander of the Royal Saudi Air Force (RSAF) Major General Muhammad bin Saleh al-Utaibi stated that Saudi Arabia was interested in acquiring a significant number of JF-17 Thunder multirole fighter aircraft in addition to other training and support platforms.

At first glance, the procurement of JF-17 fighters would appear incongruent with Saudi Arabia's overt preference for highly capable Western-manufactured aircraft. Its current combat air inventory comprises F-15 Eagle variants, Eurofighter Typhoons and Tornado IDS aircraft, while deliveries have recently commenced for 152 newbuild and remanufactured F-15SA strike platforms.




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[CriticalThought]

Listen, CAS is not just about having large payload and having fancy weapon dangling around the plane. CAS needs to crucially coordinate especially with ground troops to provide fire power to destroy the enemy nearby. If you fly too fast. You will fly pass your target and need to make another dangerous U-turn , not only waste time but making yourselves more prone to enemy counter fire. What's more during Vietnam war. The F-4 perform badly in CAS role in Vietnam as they could not acquire the real target and end up bombing friendly forces.

They could not fly low enough to make the correct ID and enemy targets are no stationery but mobile. F-15S is most useful only in bombing stationery target and is far from useful as a CAS in engaging mobile enemy. You can add all the fanciful weapon but it's still ill suit as CAS.

Yes, technology improve thing and make things better. But in some situation when these technology failed or your target pod jam/blind by enemy countermeasures. What do you do?

You will still need to go back to old school method of manually fly low, fly slow , ID , lock on and rid your enemy with guns or fire. This is something F-15 is never suit for.

Completely agree. For CAS of army units, I expect drones and helis to fulfil the role of CAS rather than any bomber or fighter/bomber type aircraft. These may be used for surgical strikes behind enemy lines against hardened targets of high value, but modern technologies provide much better platforms for CAS.