Saudi Arabia Puts Textron's Scorpion Light Attack Jet Through Its Paces

[Maxpane]

congrats to saudis brothers

 

[Saif al-Arab]

No need to go on the attack, Mr.Saud. Irfan was merely stating that your country wouldn't attack Israel as both are US allies and have overlapping interests, highlighted by the fact that strong diplomatic backchannels almost certainly exist:
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-C...n-Prince-make-a-covert-visit-to-Israel-504777

Also, the only reason Arab states have done anything against Israel in the past was due to conflicts between them and Israel, whereas Pakistan and Turkey have not been in the same position. Anyway, many Pakistani pilots aided the Arab air forces during the Six-Day War.

It's highly doubtful that even in a diplomatic solution, Israel will cease their occupation of Palestine. Mohammad bin Salman is only trying to appease the US and the Israelis so they can support him in becoming king.

"Mr. Saud". What is that supposed to mean Mr. Indian Gujariti (using your silly logic)? Can't you read my username? I am a Hijazi Hashemite.

Where is the attack? I merely stated some well-known facts that nobody has been able to counter for a very good reason.

No, KSA would not attack Israel (by default the US and the West) as the leadership of KSA are not idiots. They have different priorities such as improving KSA and the people on all fronts, cultivating closer ties with our Arab brothers and sisters and countless of other more useful and realistic aims.

KSA is probably having some kind of dialogue which most if not all countries have with Israel and there is nothing wrong with that. However those dialogues are most likely sporadic and related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict mostly. My personal opinion is that the diplomatic boycott of Israel is a silly thing overall as it has amounted to nothing or at least very little. If Jordan, Egypt and Turkey and other Muslim nations (Azerbaijan) can have official ties with Israel, I see no reason why KSA should not do so as well. That does not mean that KSA agrees with what Israel is doing vis-a-vis Palestine it just means that the reality has been recognized after all those decades.
I value dialogue and I believe that engaging with enemies or entities that you disagree with strongly is better than not engaging at all.

Which is why Pakistan and India engage all the time but this is hidden from both publics.

Really? Some breaking news right there. Wars start due to conflicts. Who would have thought? I thought that countries started wars with other countries randomly because they have nothing more useful to do.

As far as I am aware there were 15 Pakistani pilots in total in 1967 and 1973 combined. All of them volunteered personally. However their sacrifice and decision to do so is deeply respected.

MbS does not have to please anybody. KSA is a sufficiently strong and influential country and with strong bonds to other powers (whether European, China (main trade partner) or now Russia, that this is just wishful thinking.

In fact it was just the opposite. Bin Nayef was the most pro-US choice (previous Crown Prince before June of this year) and the one the Americans lobbied for.

I am sure that the Americans love seeing China being the biggest trading partner of KSA and KSA-Russian ties growing and growing and reaching unprecedented heights and depth. You are not following news I see, like other compatriots of yours in this thread.

Just this week alone (in fact 2 days ago) Saudi Arabian and Russian businessmen signed billion big deals and Russia declared that they were ready to help built a few of the 17 nuclear reactors that KSA is planning to built in the next 10-15 years.

 

[BATMAN]

congrats to saudis brothers

You sir... are trying to rub salt on bleeding butts and probably cheer leader of Saudi Arabia.

You should know that we must sever ties with Saudi Arabia, because lately Iran has been found guilty of anti Pakistan acts. You may agree or not with this logic but we should blame Saudi Arabia any way at any cost.

Brother do you really think that a few uniformed Pakistani (in reality nobody knows about their real identity, this is the internet after all) users on some internet forum are so influential that they can sever ties and relations between traditional allies and partners? It's wishful thinking.

Brother, I believe nothing moves without Allah's will and if he will we remain brothers.
We learn lessons from where ever we go, and what I learned from Saudis during my brief stay was 'in every trouble/ calamity they thank Allah' of course, I'm not alone in finding this but it was sure quite thought provoking learning for me, specially when I reflect back.

 

[SabzShaheen]

"Mr. Saud". What is that supposed to mean Mr. Indian Gujariti (using your silly logic)? Can't you read my username? I am a Hijazi Hashemite.

By "Mr.Saud", I was referring to your nationality. Sorry that I rustled your jimmies over family lineage. And using my "silly logic" wouldn't mean I'm Mr.Indian Gujarati either since you thought I was referring to your lineage.

No, KSA would not attack Israel (by default the US and the West) as the leadership of KSA are not idiots. They have different priorities such as improving KSA and the people on all fronts, cultivating closer ties with our Arab brothers and sisters and countless of other more useful and realistic aims.

KSA is probably having some kind of dialogue which most if not all countries have with Israel and there is nothing wrong with that. However those dialogues are most likely sporadic and related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict mostly. My personal opinion is that the diplomatic boycott of Israel is a silly thing overall as it has amounted to nothing or at least very little. If Jordan, Egypt and Turkey and other Muslim nations (Azerbaijan) can have official ties with Israel, I see no reason why KSA should not do so as well. That does not mean that KSA agrees with what Israel is doing vis-a-vis Palestine it just means that the reality has been recognized after all those decades.
I value dialogue and I believe that engaging with enemies or entities that you disagree with strongly is better than not engaging at all.

Which is why Pakistan and India engage all the time but this is hidden from both publics.

As far as I am aware there were 15 Pakistani pilots in total in 1967 and 1973 combined. All of them volunteered personally. However their sacrifice and decision to do so is deeply respected.

Good points you make here. I'm unsure about a diplomatic solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict but if relations between Israel and the entire Muslim world are to be normalised then the Arab nations should take the initiative which what you said indicates. I know some Muslim countries have already done so but the normalisation of ties between the Arab world and Israel would end the de facto position of other Muslim countries to not recognise Israel.

I am sure that the Americans love seeing China being the biggest trading partner of KSA and KSA-Russian ties growing and growing and reaching unprecedented heights and depth. You are not following news I see, like other compatriots of yours in this thread.

Just this week alone (in fact 2 days ago) Saudi Arabian and Russian businessmen signed billion big deals and Russia declared that they were ready to help built a few of the 17 nuclear reactors that KSA is planning to built in the next 10-15 years.

I don't have time nor interest to follow the developments in Saudi Arabia in great detail and really only focus on Pakistan and even then not in amazing detail but I am aware of the growth in Saudi-Russian ties.

You should know that we must sever ties with Saudi Arabia, because lately Iran has been found guilty of anti Pakistan acts. You may agree or not with this logic but we should blame Saudi Arabia any way at any cost.

I don't think I've heard that one before but the more I think about it the more it makes sense. I prefer Saudi Arabia to Iran by quite a bit but it may be best for Pakistan to clench its teeth and do what's (seemingly) necessary.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I lectured you only in your dreams... and even if I reply to your propaganda, driven by your sectarian bias, I'm well within my right.
You can complain about my lecture to your sectarian brothers in GHQ of IRG.


Only this sentence have hurt so many sectarian behinds.... waooooo

lol you made me laugh
take it easy.

Says a guy who abandoned his land to the Hindus and then sought sanctuary amongst the Sindhi. People who give up their land and run away from Hindus have no right to lecture me.

supper uncool and uncalled for comment.

please refrain in future

 

[Indus Pakistan]

supper uncool and uncalled for comment.

please refrain in future

I know but this guy is always "needling" me and I thought okay have this one then.

 

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