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You didn't answer me

He is telling you indirectly that without USA then you would still live under the thumb of a certain Saddam Hussein Abd al-Majid al-Tikriti. As a person of Shia background you should be grateful for that.

What is the reason for your username and avatar if you are a atheist?
 
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He is telling you indirectly that without USA then you would still live under the thumb of a certain Saddam Hussein Abd al-Majid al-Tikriti. As a person of Shia background you should be grateful for that.

What is the reason for your username and avatar if you are a atheist?
I am not shia or muslim and I don't support the american invasion in our country
I am big fan of amr bin abd wudd al amri al qarashi there are no pictures for him so I chosen hamza the lions hunter as my avatar
 
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I am not shia or muslim and I don't support the american invasion in our country
I am big fan of amr bin abd wudd al amri al qarashi there are no pictures for him so I chosen hamza the lions hunter as my avatar

Fair enough.

How come? Do you belong to one of the many clans in Iraq that trace their ancestry to the noble and ancient Quraysh tribe?
 
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Both parties concerned in this issue are going to attend these talks. Iran was the nails in this issue, and nails should be clipped.
You seem to forget that Iran has a border with Syria, and anything that happens in Syria, concerns her indirectly, more so than KSA or Qatar who have no common borders with Syria. To keep Iran , who directly implicated in the conflict its an error that the whole region will pay dearly!

Speaking of Algeria's war against terror, I think this issue is diamatrically different from the Syrian issue. We did stand with you at a time you need us the most, and continuing.
In what way? The ones behind the belligerents are the same. Iran, most of the Arab worlds was directly involved , from KSA to Sudan to Lybia to Morocco, on top of the embargo imposed by France and the rest of the world. 500,000 between intellectuals and professionals were given a choice between the suitcase or death had fled the country under those threats..Same thing is happening to Syria...The only thing different is that Syria has two powers behind her, Russia and China, and no embargo.
A reminder; Start on page 59
http://acdemocracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/The_Terrorists_Internationale-J_Millard_Burr.pdf


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Mar 1, 1992 - Saudi Arabia's Government is beginning a quiet campaign to convince wealthy ... a photocopy of a $1 million dollar check written several years ago by aSaudi businessman, Youssef Jamil, and made out to Abassi Madani, ...

Saudi's financed the last attack on the Tiguentourine gas facility for a tune of $15millions..






French intelligence report says terrorist attack in Algeria was financed by Saudi Arabia

by Albert Bertold

[Dreuz.info, translated from French to English by the TX Desk]
A confidential document released by Russia Today and echoed by many Algerian sites reveals that the terrorist attack against the website of gas in Amenas followed by a bloody hostage seizure that took the lives of 37 hostages and 29 terrorists was sponsored by one of the great "friends" of France, Saudi Arabia.
The information came to Russia Today after an email account of Sidney Blumenthal on AOL, American journalist, former assistant and special adviser to President Bill Clinton, was hacked by a character named Guccifer (the letter G on the documents) and that he has sent emails, after having converted to image files which were published in the Russian media.
When questioned, Sidney Blumenthal neither confirmed nor denied that his email account was hacked; his son Max Blumenthal, also a journalist, told RT (Russia Today) that his father would not comment. According to RT, AOL has however admitted that the email account had been compromised.
APRIL 3, 2013

French intelligence report says terrorist attack in Algeria was financed by Saudi Arabia


by Albert Bertold

[Dreuz.info, translated from French to English by the TX Desk]
A confidential document released by Russia Today and echoed by many Algerian sites reveals that the terrorist attack against the website of gas in Amenas followed by a bloody hostage seizure that took the lives of 37 hostages and 29 terrorists was sponsored by one of the great "friends" of France, Saudi Arabia.
The information came to Russia Today after an email account of Sidney Blumenthal on AOL, American journalist, former assistant and special adviser to President Bill Clinton, was hacked by a character named Guccifer (the letter G on the documents) and that he has sent emails, after having converted to image files which were published in the Russian media.
When questioned, Sidney Blumenthal neither confirmed nor denied that his email account was hacked; his son Max Blumenthal, also a journalist, told RT (Russia Today) that his father would not comment. According to RT, AOL has however admitted that the email account had been compromised.
According to these emails, the French external intelligence DGSE revealed in a note that funds from "rich Saudi Sunnis" financed the terrorist group that carried out the attack at In-Amenas, and probably also on the Consulate of the United States in Benghazi that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three of his aides.
This funding was made possible thanks to the mediation of Libyan terrorist groups formally identified in the hacked DGSE documents which were inside Sidney Blumenthal's inbox, after which the funds were provided to Saudi contacts with Al Qaeda in the Maghreb (AQIM) residing in southern Europe. The funds were then passed to AQIM cells in Mauritania. With these funds, a Saudi Islamist group in Libya was able to organize the terrorist attack against the US Consulate in Benghazi through Mokhtar Belmokhtar.

According to the documents, Saudi funds were paid to Mokhtar Belmokhtar in early2013, just days before the attack at In Amenas, while the Algerian authorities andinternational community gave similar indication that the operation was planned a long time ago.
In another email that was also hacked, dated January 18 and addressed to "Hillary", we learn that President Abdelaziz Bouteflika was "surprised and confused by the attack at [In-Amenas]" because his government had "signed a secret agreement with Belmokhtar a year earlier". Under this agreement, "Belmokhtar would focus his operations on Mali, and occasionally, after consultation with external security, Algerian would attack Moroccan interests in Western Sahara, where are disputed territories with Algeria".
According to informants, the Algerian security services fear the attack of 17 January marks the return of civil war that lasted 20 years, and they gave the order to resolve the situation [of the hostages] with the greatest force. The fate of the hostages was a very secondary consideration in this decision.

A few days after the taking of hostages, Alain Chouet, former head of the DGSE, in an interview with Marianne talked about "the ambiguity of the Western powers vis-à-vis countries, financial support of these Islamist groups". He explained that "Qatar is in direct competition with Saudi Arabia in support of the Islamist groups. It is which makes the most money".

In light of the revelation of Russia Today, the conclusion of the former head of the DGSE sums up the inconsistency and dogmatic rigidity of Islamic politics in France:"We are appalled by the lack of democracy in Tunisia or elsewhere but nothing about Saudi Arabia or Qatar. The first problem is with us, we engage in conflict against Islamist groups funded in part by the countries whom we treat them as allies..."
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@Ceylal

Stop smoking all that Moroccan hashish.

Since when does Iran have a border with Syria? What are you talking about?:lol:

Anyway you are the same user talking about Berbers in Makkah and Syria, LOL. So not a surprising statement from you.:lol: Thanks for the laugh anyway.

Iran only borders one Arab country and that is Iraq. Syria is located nearly 2000 km away from Iran. Northern Saudi Arabia on the other hand is located less than 130 km from the Syrian border. Just the small northern strip of Jordan separates Syria and KSA.

Pay for what?:lol:

Iran has no business in Arab affairs. That's it. Very simple.
 
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You seem to forget that Iran has a border with Syria, and anything that happens in Syria, concerns her indirectly, more so than KSA or Qatar who have no common borders with Syria. To keep Iran , who directly implicated in the conflict its an error that the whole region will pay dearly!

:woot: Syria only shares boarders with 5 states. Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, and Israel. And I stay corrected, Iran is an un-welcomed, renegade, outcast, and infamous state, it has no seat among other nations in these talks. Let them smash their heads to the wall as much as they can take till they understand it.


In what way? The ones behind the belligerents are the same. Iran, most of the Arab worlds was directly involved , from KSA to Sudan to Lybia to Morocco, on top of the embargo imposed by France and the rest of the world. 500,000 between intellectuals and professionals were given a choice between the suitcase or death had fled the country under those threats..Same thing is happening to Syria...The only thing different is that Syria has two powers behind her, Russia and China, and no embargo.

I don't care about what other countries has done to you so far. I'm just saying we have been helping everybody, but you seem to buy some bunch of BS on an article which accused a Saudi official who isn't even assigned to counter terror with the Algerians. I believe that you and I spoke about that before over and over again. What is even more ridiculous to say is that the Saudis are backing Algerian MB while they're against them in Egypt.

Here is a counterterrorism study on the way KSA deals with terrorists including the ones in your country:

http://carnegieendowment.org/files/cp97_boucek_saudi_final.pdf


And here is the agreement we signed with you to fight terror:

Saudi Arabia and Algeria sign agreement on political cooperation


And here is the another study which shows how KSA is doing here and there against Al-Qaida:

http://www.saudiembassy.net/files/PDF/Reports/Counterterrorism.pdf

Speaking of the attack on Algeria's oil facilities, here is what a wake-up call had to say to Algeria regarding KSA:

Counter-Terrorism: The Wakeup Call In Algeria

Other Middle Eastern nations have taken more effective security measures and the effectiveness of those efforts has been tested. Saudi Arabia has detected several major attacks, while the terrorists were still planning and organizing. In one major attack that was not detected, attackers headed for the largest Saudi refinery were stopped at the gates. At Amenas the attackers not only got to the gates but quickly shot their way through


You might check out this counterterrorism study which laid out the pros and cons on how to fight terrorists in Algeria, KSA, and Indonesia:

http://www.nctv.nl/Images/wodc-repo...audi-arabia_tcm126-452607.pdf?cp=126&cs=60013

With that being said, I think it would be irresponsible for someone to make such claim like the Saudis were doing this and that. That's an insult to Algeria in first place not KSA.


Note:

Every document I link to back up my argument with were official ones, except the analytical wake-up call to Algeria



You seem to forget that Iran has a border with Syria, and anything that happens in Syria, concerns her indirectly, more so than KSA or Qatar who have no common borders with Syria. To keep Iran , who directly implicated in the conflict its an error that the whole region will pay dearly!


In what way? The ones behind the belligerents are the same. Iran, most of the Arab worlds was directly involved , from KSA to Sudan to Lybia to Morocco, on top of the embargo imposed by France and the rest of the world. 500,000 between intellectuals and professionals were given a choice between the suitcase or death had fled the country under those threats..Same thing is happening to Syria...The only thing different is that Syria has two powers behind her, Russia and China, and no embargo.
A reminder; Start on page 59
http://acdemocracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/The_Terrorists_Internationale-J_Millard_Burr.pdf


The New York Times - Breaking News, World News & MultimediaCOLLECTIONSARAB WORLD

Saudi's financed the last attack on the Tiguentourine gas facility for a tune of $15millions..





French intelligence report says terrorist attack in Algeria was financed by Saudi Arabia
by Albert Bertold
[Dreuz.info, translated from French to English by the TX Desk]
A confidential document released by Russia Today and echoed by many Algerian sites reveals that the terrorist attack against the website of gas in Amenas followed by a bloody hostage seizure that took the lives of 37 hostages and 29 terrorists was sponsored by one of the great "friends" of France, Saudi Arabia.
The information came to Russia Today after an email account of Sidney Blumenthal on AOL, American journalist, former assistant and special adviser to President Bill Clinton, was hacked by a character named Guccifer (the letter G on the documents) and that he has sent emails, after having converted to image files which were published in the Russian media.
When questioned, Sidney Blumenthal neither confirmed nor denied that his email account was hacked; his son Max Blumenthal, also a journalist, told RT (Russia Today) that his father would not comment. According to RT, AOL has however admitted that the email account had been compromised.
APRIL 3, 2013
French intelligence report says terrorist attack in Algeria was financed by Saudi Arabia
by Albert Bertold
[Dreuz.info, translated from French to English by the TX Desk]
A confidential document released by Russia Today and echoed by many Algerian sites reveals that the terrorist attack against the website of gas in Amenas followed by a bloody hostage seizure that took the lives of 37 hostages and 29 terrorists was sponsored by one of the great "friends" of France, Saudi Arabia.
The information came to Russia Today after an email account of Sidney Blumenthal on AOL, American journalist, former assistant and special adviser to President Bill Clinton, was hacked by a character named Guccifer (the letter G on the documents) and that he has sent emails, after having converted to image files which were published in the Russian media.
When questioned, Sidney Blumenthal neither confirmed nor denied that his email account was hacked; his son Max Blumenthal, also a journalist, told RT (Russia Today) that his father would not comment. According to RT, AOL has however admitted that the email account had been compromised.
According to these emails, the French external intelligence DGSE revealed in a note that funds from "rich Saudi Sunnis" financed the terrorist group that carried out the attack at In-Amenas, and probably also on the Consulate of the United States in Benghazi that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three of his aides.
This funding was made possible thanks to the mediation of Libyan terrorist groups formally identified in the hacked DGSE documents which were inside Sidney Blumenthal's inbox, after which the funds were provided to Saudi contacts with Al Qaeda in the Maghreb (AQIM) residing in southern Europe. The funds were then passed to AQIM cells in Mauritania. With these funds, a Saudi Islamist group in Libya was able to organize the terrorist attack against the US Consulate in Benghazi through Mokhtar Belmokhtar.

According to the documents, Saudi funds were paid to Mokhtar Belmokhtar in early2013, just days before the attack at In Amenas, while the Algerian authorities andinternational community gave similar indication that the operation was planned a long time ago.
In another email that was also hacked, dated January 18 and addressed to "Hillary", we learn that President Abdelaziz Bouteflika was "surprised and confused by the attack at [In-Amenas]" because his government had "signed a secret agreement with Belmokhtar a year earlier". Under this agreement, "Belmokhtar would focus his operations on Mali, and occasionally, after consultation with external security, Algerian would attack Moroccan interests in Western Sahara, where are disputed territories with Algeria".
According to informants, the Algerian security services fear the attack of 17 January marks the return of civil war that lasted 20 years, and they gave the order to resolve the situation [of the hostages] with the greatest force. The fate of the hostages was a very secondary consideration in this decision.

A few days after the taking of hostages, Alain Chouet, former head of the DGSE, in an interview with Marianne talked about "the ambiguity of the Western powers vis-à-vis countries, financial support of these Islamist groups". He explained that "Qatar is in direct competition with Saudi Arabia in support of the Islamist groups. It is which makes the most money".

In light of the revelation of Russia Today, the conclusion of the former head of the DGSE sums up the inconsistency and dogmatic rigidity of Islamic politics in France:"We are appalled by the lack of democracy in Tunisia or elsewhere but nothing about Saudi Arabia or Qatar. The first problem is with us, we engage in conflict against Islamist groups funded in part by the countries whom we treat them as allies..."
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Since when does Iran have a border with Syria? What are you talking about?:lol:[/quote]
Since the fall of Saddam and a shia government (rightfully) installed in Irak. The nothern Iraq is not controlled by the Iraqi central government..The border might not have changed on the map, it is geopolitically altered.
The kif, if you don't know it by now is shipped to you...Its consumption in Algeria is relatively low comparing to KSA.

Anyway you are the same user talking about Berbers in Makkah and Syria, LOL. So not a surprising statement from you.:lol: Thanks for the laugh anyway.
Like I told you many time in the past , you have a comprehension blockage. I have never said they were berbers in the Arab Peninsula or in in Syria. What I said is Berber settlers in the Hijjaz have donnated their land for the the expansion of the holly sight in Mecca and Madina. And if KSA has a land recording system like every country that command respect , it can be easily checked.
For Syria, they were a lot of Algerians that followed Emir Abdelkader there. Indeed we have blood ties with the Syrian people! Anything else paper tiger wahabi?

Iran only borders one Arab country and that is Iraq. Syria is located nearly 2000 km away from Iran. Northern Saudi Arabia on the other hand is located less than 130 km from the Syrian border. Just the small northern strip of Jordan separates Syria and KSA.

2000 miles away? and nothern KSA to Syrian border 78 miles?



Iran has no business in Arab affairs. That's it. Very simple.

Not everything is about Arabs..Iran is a regional power, she need room to stretch their legs and Syria and Iraq is her guarded territory. She more right to get involved in Syria than KSA or Qatar have.
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Geneva 2: The dialogue of the deaf

By Sara Daniel

It was one of the most anticipated of the interventions first day of the Geneva Peace Conference 2 , which opened in Montreux Wednesday, January 22. The speech of Foreign Minister Walid al-Moallem Syrian followed the introductory speech of the Secretary General of the UN Ban Ki-moon and the heads of the U.S. and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry . It comes, as expected, to inaugurate the dialogue of the deaf, which promises to be the international conference.

The conference provided a forum for chief of the Syrian diplomacy, which has not only cleared of any responsibility in the killings that bloody Syria, but accused the countries present at Montreux, to be the executioners

It is unfortunate for me and for the Syrian people as representatives of States, sitting here in this, while they have Syrian blood on their hands, their respective countries exported terrorism, "he said.

Aiming in particular Saudi Arabia, Qatar and France: "They used their petrodollars to buy weapons, to use mercenaries, and flood international media with lies," continued Moallem.

What can we learn from this speech which exceeded 7 minutes allotted to all participants?



1The spectrum of regional contagion
First, Walid al-Moallem, in a messianic prophecy predicted that the Syrian conflict will result in its fall the entire region, including Turkey. This prophecy is intended to warn the Americans, who have already stopped supplying military equipment to the opposition and the regime of which it expects to make an additional pressure on its allies in the Gulf so they stop funding groups jihadists.

On the ground, the army of Bashar al-Assad was careful not to bombard bastions small groups linked to al-Qaeda, as the region of Rakka where fundamentalists are engaged in a war without merci that has already left hundreds dead in recent weeks. While the fundamentalists took over Fallujah in Iraq and carried attacks neighborhoods of Hezbollah in Beirut , Moallem raises the specter of fundamentalism, haunting Americans and the West. "The neighbor's house will not burn unless your house is burning," said the minister, warning neighboring countries of Syria.


2Syria will fight to the end
The minister warned the other hand that " Syria , independent state will do everything in its power to continue to defend itself as it sees fit, regardless of the statements and positions of some countries. This is a Syrian decision. " This does not bode well for peace negotiations or even cease the fire should be limited unofficial goal of the conference in Montreux.

3Faced with opposition, the choice of provocation
Finally, the Syrian minister said all the evil he thought of the opposition - divided, together with Israel, "a traitor can not speak for the Syrian people."After this preamble, the opposition, who came backwards in Switzerland, she still accept to participate in these discussions with representatives of the regime were to begin Friday in Geneva ? Nothing is less certain. With this speech, it is very far in any case the beginnings of a rapprochement between the various parties to the establishment of a transitional government ...

Sara Daniel - Le Nouvel Observateur


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Geneva II..dead from the get go!
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Sur le web : Genève II: un "jour d'espoir" pour la Syrie, selon Ban

Without Iran presence,this can be summarized the best by this caricature..
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the man of the day..
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Conference of Geneva

Here is Davos,
Montreux, below!
 
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ing the ones in your country:

http://carnegieendowment.org/files/cp97_boucek_saudi_final.pdf


And here is the agreement we signed with you to fight terror:

Saudi Arabia and Algeria sign agreement on political cooperation


And here is the another study which shows how KSA is doing here and there against Al-Qaida:

http://www.saudiembassy.net/files/PDF/Reports/Counterterrorism.pdf

Speaking of the attack on Algeria's oil facilities, here is what a wake-up call had to say to Algeria regarding KSA:

Counter-Terrorism: The Wakeup Call In Algeria

Yzd, in fact the contribution of the Saudis to the Algerian radicals was cut drastically after the visit of Algerian President Zeroual to KSA, but it doesn't mean it stopped. KSA, Qatari and Egyptian banks continues to this day to funnel fund to djihadists, thru complicated schemes. And the funds for Tiguentourin's attack was Saudi.




You might check out this counterterrorism study which laid out the pros and cons on how to fight terrorists in Algeria, KSA, and Indonesia:

http://www.nctv.nl/Images/wodc-repo...audi-arabia_tcm126-452607.pdf?cp=126&cs=60013

With that being said, I think it would be irresponsible for someone to make such claim like the Saudis were doing this and that. That's an insult to Algeria in first place not KSA.


Note:

Every document I link to back up my argument with were official ones, except the analytical wake-up call to Algeria

Thank you for the links, I will certainly do.
 
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That's an insane assumption to adopt my friend.

You may refer to the references and examine the truth yourself.

Yzd, in fact the contribution of the Saudis to the Algerian radicals was cut drastically after the visit of Algerian President Zeroual to KSA, but it doesn't mean it stopped. KSA, Qatari and Egyptian banks continues to this day to funnel fund to djihadists, thru complicated schemes. And the funds for Tiguentourin's attack was Saudi.

Thank you for the links, I will certainly do.
 
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The Saudis, as faithful guardians of the Two Mosques, well understand the deviousness of their cross-Gulf neighbors. The Saudis know full well that Iranian participation in a peace conference that tries to bring an end to violence in Syria would be absurd.
 
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