Saudi Arabia confirms that it will deploy troops to Syria

[Madali]

Look, I'm not saying you're insulting Pakistan. I'm not even saying that Pakistan is better in all ways. I'm not saying that Pakistan is less violent. I'm not saying that Pakistan is more wealthy or more advanced.

I'm giving Pakistan as a comparison in ONE very specific respect: Pakistan treats ALL Muslims whether Sunni or Shia as equals. Iran does NOT.

The whole notion of a 'school' or madhab in Islam is that the Muslims may differ in fiqh issues but they agree on the aqeedah. Thus one Muslim may pray this way and the other another way. One Muslim may think this is perfectly acceptable, but the other may regard it as Makrooh. Even in Sunni families you may find that the father follows one madhab while the son or daughter follows another. Nobody treats anyone any differently except according to what the person asks for.

Iran does not treat Sunnis as if they belong to another madhab; it treats them as if they belong to another religion.

Madhab's differ on practice; they don't require that a person has a particular set of beliefs. Iran demands that Muslims have an additional set of beliefs. If all it asked was that a Muslim agree to uphold the rule of law, that would be acceptable. It asks much more in terms of a Muslim's personal religious belief.

Look at the two of your statements that I just highlighted above.

Pakistan has has made Islam the 'official' religion; it hasn't made a particular madhab as a qualification.



I think that's the military plan. A two-pronged military assault. Classic hammer and anvil.

If you want to discuss this furthur, may i respectfully ask you to make a thread in the Iranian forum so we dont derail the main topic?

Pakistan's case is different than iran. Iran has applied a system which works for the society. Thats why we have had a fairly stable country with very little internal secterian conflicts. Even othet minorities (jews, christians, and zorastarians ) have rights. The only minority that has very little rights are bahaeis, which i personally dont agree with the governments policies. Unfortunately, bahaees are viewed negatively by the islamic society in iran (both sunnis and shias). Inshallah this will improve on the future.

Brother, i am very sensitive when people try to fuel secterianism in iran. Western powers have always tried to create conflict in iran, one day they use sunnis as an excuse, one day its iranian arabs, or azaris, or baluchis, or kurds, but we honestly dont have such problems in our country. There are minor problems but our leaders are sensitive to these issues because they have seen how other regional countries break apart because of such differences.

Hopefully, if i have not changed your mind, you will at least honor us with rethinking your perception about my country a bit.

 

[libertycall]

If you want to discuss this furthur, may i respectfully ask you to make a thread in the Iranian forum so we dont derail the main topic?

Pakistan's case is different than iran. Iran has applied a system which works for the society. Thats why we have had a fairly stable country with very little internal secterian conflicts. Even othet minorities (jews, christians, and zorastarians ) have rights. The only minority that has very little rights are bahaeis, which i personally dont agree with the governments policies. Unfortunately, bahaees are viewed negatively by the islamic society in iran (both sunnis and shias). Inshallah this will improve on the future.

Brother, i am very sensitive when people try to fuel secterianism in iran. Western powers have always tried to create conflict in iran, one day they use sunnis as an excuse, one day its iranian arabs, or azaris, or baluchis, or kurds, but we honestly dont have such problems in our country. There are minor problems but our leaders are sensitive to these issues because they have seen how other regional countries break apart because of such differences.

Hopefully, if i have not changed your mind, you will at least honor us with rethinking your perception about my country a bit.

I don't dislike Iranians. I oppose killing or conquering people on account of their religious beliefs. I don't even particularly concern myself with preaching or converting others. If the majority of Pakistan tomorrow decided to become Shia, I would not be concerned, so long as they did not alter the existing rights of other religious groups.

I'm only concerned with religious matters to the extent that they have political consequences. If that consequence is that Pakistani Shia want amendments to laws so that they can inherit or marry in accordance with their beliefs, I have no objection. I would only object if those laws were imposed on non-Shia.

Regarding the interference by foreign powers in Iran, we live and accept the concept of international rights and obligations. This isn't something un-Islamic, the Prophet pbuh himself stated that if other nations were willing to draw up a peace charter, that he would sign it. If the community of nations asks Iran not to persecute or discriminate against minority groups, then I agree with it, if they insist upon control of Iranian territory or resources then I oppose it. This is basic anti-colonialism.

I'm not a Salafi. I find some of their endless arguments regarding petty issues to be tiresome. I tolerate it because people have different natures, and I don't believe that states should silence debate.

All the states in the region face exactly the same issues. The only real answer is to open borders to the free movement of goods, trade, and services. That can only happen once states and people are convinced that state backing for a particular religious affiliation (Salafism in Saudi, Ithna Asharism in Iran) doesn't mean a future invasion and occupation. Iran has a major problem in this regard, which is that unlike Saudi Arabia it has a large population and army. Even if Saudi Arabia propagates Salafism, nobody in Pakistan seriously believes that tomorrow Saudi Arabia will be landing an army in Karachi to occupy Islamabad lol

Anyway I agree the religious discussion has dragged this whole thread far away from its original topic. Thanks for the understanding previous post.