Saudi Arabia and Pakistan: America's Worst 'Allies'

[wiseone2]

The US helped him too until 9/11, we weren't alone in that.

Americans did not have anything to do with him after the US embassy bombings.
before that he was a freelancer propped up with his family wealth

 

[fitpOsitive]

Saudi Arabia and Pakistan: America's Worst 'Allies'

• 

With friends like Saudi Arabia, who needs enemies? Last week we learned that the Saudi government almost certainly played a role in the 9/11 terrorist attack and that our government kept that secret from the public for about fourteen years.

A brief history of the coverup is in order here. In 2002, a joint congressional committee investigated the intelligence failures that led to the attack. That committee found suspicious clues that pointed toward Saudi Arabia—an official “ally” of the United States known for exporting radical Wahhabi Islam across the world. In a 28-page summary, the committee detailed the connections between the 9/11 terrorists and agents of the Saudi government, including Prince Bandar bin Sultan, a friend of the Bush family. When the 9/11 Commission report was released in July 2004, the 28 pages were still classified and thus not included. Robert Mueller, then-FBI director, pushed hard for the findings to remain under wraps. For the next twelve years they sat in a secret vault in the basement of the US Capitol—until last week when they were finally released with some redactions.

The real hero in this sordid tale is former US Senator Bob Graham (D-Florida). Graham, who chaired the Senate side of the investigation, spent years advocating for the documents’ public release. Graham noted that as late as January 2016 the White House was dragging its heels.

Until the documents were declassified Graham was not able to speak about their contents, though he did promise a “real smoking gun.” He was right. In one FBI memorandum dated July 2, 2002, agents claimed to have found “incontrovertible evidence that there is support for these terrorists within the Saudi government.”

An employee of the Saudi Interior Ministry, Saleh al-Hussayen, happened to stay at the very same hotel as the American Airlines Flight 77 hijackers the night before the attack. When FBI agents interviewed al-Hussayen, he "feigned a seizure, prompting the agents to take him to a hospital, where the attending physicians found nothing wrong with him.” When they attempted to re-interview him, they found that he and his family had left the country.

Another suspicious character found lurking in the documents is Omar al-Bayoumi. According to the recently released 28 pages, the FBI received numerous tips from the Muslim community that al-Bayoumi is or was a Saudi intelligence officer. He is known to have called Saudi government institutions in the United States one hundred times in 2000, including three calls to the Saudi Embassy.

He appears to have had a “no-show” job with a Saudi contracting company associated with the Saudi Ministry of Defense. Though he rarely ever showed his face, he still collected a monthly salary.

In February 2000, when two of the 9/11 hijackers arrived on the West Coast to prepare for their missions, al-Bayoumi was living in California. Al-Bayoumi apparently met with the hijackers, Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, in a public place shortly after a meeting at the Saudi consulate. He reportedly threw a party for their arrival. The two men stayed at al-Bayoumi’s apartment for several days until they could find their own housing. Al-Bayoumi co-signed their lease. Not surprisingly, he left the country sometime in the summer of 2001.

In intelligence circles, there’s a word for al-Bayoumi: handler. The obvious conclusion is that al-Bayoumi was a Saudi agent whose job it was to coach at least two of the nineteen terrorists.

Another suspicious link connects al-Bayoumi indirectly to the Saudi royal family through his wife, Manal Bajad. Princess Haifa al-Faisal, wife of Prince Bandar, the Saudi ambassador to the US and friend of George W. Bush, sent a series of checks totaling $75,000 to Osama Basnan, a Saudi national living in San Diego. As a member of the fantastically wealthy Saudi royal family, she could have easily sent the money in one lump sum—but that would have raised red flags. The princess claimed that the money was intended to pay for Basnan’s wife’s thyroid treatment. Some of those checks were signed over and cashed by Manal Bajad, wife of Omar al-Bayoumi. The money went from the princess to Basnan to al-Bayoumi’s wife—and let’s not kid ourselves, was likely used to fund the 9/11 attacks. The route is a little circuitous but terror-financing usually is.

Saudi Arabia is clearly the worst ally we have.

But if Saudi Arabia is the worst, Pakistan must be a close second. After Navy SEALs raided Osama bin Laden’s hideout in May 2011, it became startlingly obvious that the Pakistanis had been his willing hosts for about nine years. For six of those years he was living in a compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, about a thousand yards from Pakistan’s prestigious military academy. His home was essentially “drone proof” because it fell under the air defense umbrella surrounding the academy.

Further proof of Pakistani government complicity can be found in the fact that government census takers apparently skipped the bin Laden residence. Could census takers have been warned to leave that house alone?

The Pakistani regime’s actions after the raid are also incriminating. Just days after bin Laden’s death, Pakistan claimed that it had had the compound “under sharp focus” since its supposed construction in 2003. How sharp could their focus have been if bin Laden had continued to live there for years? It also claimed to have once searched the compound in hopes of finding an al Qaeda fugitive but came up empty-handed. It didn’t take long for that story to fall apart. According to satellite imagery the compound did not exist until 2005. It seems that someone in the government spun a hasty lie without realizing that the details could be verified.

Pakistan’s treatment of Dr. Shakil Afridi, a physician who assisted the CIA in confirming bin Laden’s presence in Abbottabad, has been unconscionable. Rather than giving him a medal, as he deserves, they gave him a trial at which he was deprived of legal counsel. After the cursory guilty verdict they tossed him in prison for what will probably be the remainder of his life. Top Pakistani officials called it “payback” for the bin Laden raid. Dr. Afridi was originally sentenced to 33 years in prison though that sentence was later overturned. He remains in prison on an unrelated murder charge that certainly seems contrived.

Osama bin Laden’s sojourn in Abbottabad was likely not the first time that he benefitted from Pakistani protection. After the 1998 bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the United States launched seventy cruise missiles, at a cost of about $1 million each, against al-Qaeda camps in Afghanistan. The strike amounted to a costly failure because most of the bad guys, including Osama bin Laden, split the scene. A cloud of suspicion has hung over Pakistan’s intelligence service—the ISI—ever since. A very plausible theory is that the US gave the Pakistanis a heads up to expect cruise missiles passing over en route to Afghanistan and then someone within the ISI tipped off bin Laden.

New York Times reporter Carlotta Gall, who spent twelve years covering Afghanistan and Pakistan, claims to have inside sources that confirm the plot to save bin Laden’s neck. “In 2009, Bin Laden reportedly traveled to Pakistan’s tribal areas to meet with the militant leader Qari Saifullah Akhtar,” wrote Gall in 2014. “Informally referred to as the ‘father of jihad,’ Akhtar is considered one of the ISI’s most valuable assets. According to a Pakistani intelligence source …he is credited with…moving Bin Laden out of harm’s way just minutes before American missile strikes on his camp in 1998. After the Sept. 11 attacks, he was detained several times in Pakistan. Yet he was never prosecuted and was quietly released each time by the ISI.”

Those are our “friends”—the Pakistanis. They’re as crooked as a corkscrew, though perhaps not as crooked as the Saudis. We really have to learn how to choose better company. Our alliances with these two countries have done us great harm. Have we learned anything?

Thank you sir, we still remember Jonathan Pollard.

 

[wiseone2]

Thank you sir, we still remember Jonathan Pollard.

to be fair Americans have not released him

 

[HAIDER]

Saudi Arabia and Pakistan: America's Worst 'Allies'

• 

With friends like Saudi Arabia, who needs enemies? Last week we learned that the Saudi government almost certainly played a role in the 9/11 terrorist attack and that our government kept that secret from the public for about fourteen years.

A brief history of the coverup is in order here. In 2002, a joint congressional committee investigated the intelligence failures that led to the attack. That committee found suspicious clues that pointed toward Saudi Arabia—an official “ally” of the United States known for exporting radical Wahhabi Islam across the world. In a 28-page summary, the committee detailed the connections between the 9/11 terrorists and agents of the Saudi government, including Prince Bandar bin Sultan, a friend of the Bush family. When the 9/11 Commission report was released in July 2004, the 28 pages were still classified and thus not included. Robert Mueller, then-FBI director, pushed hard for the findings to remain under wraps. For the next twelve years they sat in a secret vault in the basement of the US Capitol—until last week when they were finally released with some redactions.

The real hero in this sordid tale is former US Senator Bob Graham (D-Florida). Graham, who chaired the Senate side of the investigation, spent years advocating for the documents’ public release. Graham noted that as late as January 2016 the White House was dragging its heels.

Until the documents were declassified Graham was not able to speak about their contents, though he did promise a “real smoking gun.” He was right. In one FBI memorandum dated July 2, 2002, agents claimed to have found “incontrovertible evidence that there is support for these terrorists within the Saudi government.”

An employee of the Saudi Interior Ministry, Saleh al-Hussayen, happened to stay at the very same hotel as the American Airlines Flight 77 hijackers the night before the attack. When FBI agents interviewed al-Hussayen, he "feigned a seizure, prompting the agents to take him to a hospital, where the attending physicians found nothing wrong with him.” When they attempted to re-interview him, they found that he and his family had left the country.

Another suspicious character found lurking in the documents is Omar al-Bayoumi. According to the recently released 28 pages, the FBI received numerous tips from the Muslim community that al-Bayoumi is or was a Saudi intelligence officer. He is known to have called Saudi government institutions in the United States one hundred times in 2000, including three calls to the Saudi Embassy.

He appears to have had a “no-show” job with a Saudi contracting company associated with the Saudi Ministry of Defense. Though he rarely ever showed his face, he still collected a monthly salary.

In February 2000, when two of the 9/11 hijackers arrived on the West Coast to prepare for their missions, al-Bayoumi was living in California. Al-Bayoumi apparently met with the hijackers, Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, in a public place shortly after a meeting at the Saudi consulate. He reportedly threw a party for their arrival. The two men stayed at al-Bayoumi’s apartment for several days until they could find their own housing. Al-Bayoumi co-signed their lease. Not surprisingly, he left the country sometime in the summer of 2001.

In intelligence circles, there’s a word for al-Bayoumi: handler. The obvious conclusion is that al-Bayoumi was a Saudi agent whose job it was to coach at least two of the nineteen terrorists.

Another suspicious link connects al-Bayoumi indirectly to the Saudi royal family through his wife, Manal Bajad. Princess Haifa al-Faisal, wife of Prince Bandar, the Saudi ambassador to the US and friend of George W. Bush, sent a series of checks totaling $75,000 to Osama Basnan, a Saudi national living in San Diego. As a member of the fantastically wealthy Saudi royal family, she could have easily sent the money in one lump sum—but that would have raised red flags. The princess claimed that the money was intended to pay for Basnan’s wife’s thyroid treatment. Some of those checks were signed over and cashed by Manal Bajad, wife of Omar al-Bayoumi. The money went from the princess to Basnan to al-Bayoumi’s wife—and let’s not kid ourselves, was likely used to fund the 9/11 attacks. The route is a little circuitous but terror-financing usually is.

Saudi Arabia is clearly the worst ally we have.

But if Saudi Arabia is the worst, Pakistan must be a close second. After Navy SEALs raided Osama bin Laden’s hideout in May 2011, it became startlingly obvious that the Pakistanis had been his willing hosts for about nine years. For six of those years he was living in a compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, about a thousand yards from Pakistan’s prestigious military academy. His home was essentially “drone proof” because it fell under the air defense umbrella surrounding the academy.

Further proof of Pakistani government complicity can be found in the fact that government census takers apparently skipped the bin Laden residence. Could census takers have been warned to leave that house alone?

The Pakistani regime’s actions after the raid are also incriminating. Just days after bin Laden’s death, Pakistan claimed that it had had the compound “under sharp focus” since its supposed construction in 2003. How sharp could their focus have been if bin Laden had continued to live there for years? It also claimed to have once searched the compound in hopes of finding an al Qaeda fugitive but came up empty-handed. It didn’t take long for that story to fall apart. According to satellite imagery the compound did not exist until 2005. It seems that someone in the government spun a hasty lie without realizing that the details could be verified.

Pakistan’s treatment of Dr. Shakil Afridi, a physician who assisted the CIA in confirming bin Laden’s presence in Abbottabad, has been unconscionable. Rather than giving him a medal, as he deserves, they gave him a trial at which he was deprived of legal counsel. After the cursory guilty verdict they tossed him in prison for what will probably be the remainder of his life. Top Pakistani officials called it “payback” for the bin Laden raid. Dr. Afridi was originally sentenced to 33 years in prison though that sentence was later overturned. He remains in prison on an unrelated murder charge that certainly seems contrived.

Osama bin Laden’s sojourn in Abbottabad was likely not the first time that he benefitted from Pakistani protection. After the 1998 bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the United States launched seventy cruise missiles, at a cost of about $1 million each, against al-Qaeda camps in Afghanistan. The strike amounted to a costly failure because most of the bad guys, including Osama bin Laden, split the scene. A cloud of suspicion has hung over Pakistan’s intelligence service—the ISI—ever since. A very plausible theory is that the US gave the Pakistanis a heads up to expect cruise missiles passing over en route to Afghanistan and then someone within the ISI tipped off bin Laden.

New York Times reporter Carlotta Gall, who spent twelve years covering Afghanistan and Pakistan, claims to have inside sources that confirm the plot to save bin Laden’s neck. “In 2009, Bin Laden reportedly traveled to Pakistan’s tribal areas to meet with the militant leader Qari Saifullah Akhtar,” wrote Gall in 2014. “Informally referred to as the ‘father of jihad,’ Akhtar is considered one of the ISI’s most valuable assets. According to a Pakistani intelligence source …he is credited with…moving Bin Laden out of harm’s way just minutes before American missile strikes on his camp in 1998. After the Sept. 11 attacks, he was detained several times in Pakistan. Yet he was never prosecuted and was quietly released each time by the ISI.”

Those are our “friends”—the Pakistanis. They’re as crooked as a corkscrew, though perhaps not as crooked as the Saudis. We really have to learn how to choose better company. Our alliances with these two countries have done us great harm. Have we learned anything?

Wonder why Bander disappear from seen all of sudden .

 

[Hamza913]

Americans did not have anything to do with him after the US embassy bombings.
before that he was a freelancer propped up with his family wealth

They still helped him prior to 9/11, remember the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan?

 

[SSGcommandoPAK]

After sacrificing our economy , dignity and 70k people on the war on terror we get labeled as the worst allies ? Saudi Arabia we can understand but Pakistan has been used by the US like anything since 1950s .It used our land to keep an eye on the USSR in the early days , used our resources , bases , roads etc , then ordered us to fight the soviet war along the afghans and left us when the war was over , Embargoed us during all wars knowing that all our equipment is American and we might need spares on the other hand India had full support from Russia . Then again used us after 9/11 bombed our tribal areas like hell . Attacked our men at Salalah post and at different occasions , Ruined our Polio campaign . After all these hardships and problems what did we get peanut like aid ? which didn't even cover up our expenses of the war. After all this they still prefer the Indians more than the Pakistanis and then blame us of playing double games . The thread should be renamed to the US , Pakistan's worst ally .

The "" Baba jee ka thullu"" dialogue is made for us I think because that's what we get for fighting America's war for such a long time along with some slogans like DO MORE ! DO MORE !



My question is that the US does not sell Hi tech stuff to Pakistan because we are too close to China but India is also close to Russia , The american tech bought by India can also end up in Russian hands , after knowing all this why does the US offer everything to India ?

 

[Thorough Pro]

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia also think the same. Its two against the one and according to western democratic rules, we win.

Saudi Arabia and Pakistan: America's Worst 'Allies'

 

[ebrahym]

Saudi Arabia and Pakistan: America's Worst 'Allies'

• 

With friends like Saudi Arabia, who needs enemies? Last week we learned that the Saudi government almost certainly played a role in the 9/11 terrorist attack and that our government kept that secret from the public for about fourteen years.

A brief history of the coverup is in order here. In 2002, a joint congressional committee investigated the intelligence failures that led to the attack. That committee found suspicious clues that pointed toward Saudi Arabia—an official “ally” of the United States known for exporting radical Wahhabi Islam across the world. In a 28-page summary, the committee detailed the connections between the 9/11 terrorists and agents of the Saudi government, including Prince Bandar bin Sultan, a friend of the Bush family. When the 9/11 Commission report was released in July 2004, the 28 pages were still classified and thus not included. Robert Mueller, then-FBI director, pushed hard for the findings to remain under wraps. For the next twelve years they sat in a secret vault in the basement of the US Capitol—until last week when they were finally released with some redactions.

The real hero in this sordid tale is former US Senator Bob Graham (D-Florida). Graham, who chaired the Senate side of the investigation, spent years advocating for the documents’ public release. Graham noted that as late as January 2016 the White House was dragging its heels.

Until the documents were declassified Graham was not able to speak about their contents, though he did promise a “real smoking gun.” He was right. In one FBI memorandum dated July 2, 2002, agents claimed to have found “incontrovertible evidence that there is support for these terrorists within the Saudi government.”

An employee of the Saudi Interior Ministry, Saleh al-Hussayen, happened to stay at the very same hotel as the American Airlines Flight 77 hijackers the night before the attack. When FBI agents interviewed al-Hussayen, he "feigned a seizure, prompting the agents to take him to a hospital, where the attending physicians found nothing wrong with him.” When they attempted to re-interview him, they found that he and his family had left the country.

Another suspicious character found lurking in the documents is Omar al-Bayoumi. According to the recently released 28 pages, the FBI received numerous tips from the Muslim community that al-Bayoumi is or was a Saudi intelligence officer. He is known to have called Saudi government institutions in the United States one hundred times in 2000, including three calls to the Saudi Embassy.

He appears to have had a “no-show” job with a Saudi contracting company associated with the Saudi Ministry of Defense. Though he rarely ever showed his face, he still collected a monthly salary.

In February 2000, when two of the 9/11 hijackers arrived on the West Coast to prepare for their missions, al-Bayoumi was living in California. Al-Bayoumi apparently met with the hijackers, Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, in a public place shortly after a meeting at the Saudi consulate. He reportedly threw a party for their arrival. The two men stayed at al-Bayoumi’s apartment for several days until they could find their own housing. Al-Bayoumi co-signed their lease. Not surprisingly, he left the country sometime in the summer of 2001.

In intelligence circles, there’s a word for al-Bayoumi: handler. The obvious conclusion is that al-Bayoumi was a Saudi agent whose job it was to coach at least two of the nineteen terrorists.

Another suspicious link connects al-Bayoumi indirectly to the Saudi royal family through his wife, Manal Bajad. Princess Haifa al-Faisal, wife of Prince Bandar, the Saudi ambassador to the US and friend of George W. Bush, sent a series of checks totaling $75,000 to Osama Basnan, a Saudi national living in San Diego. As a member of the fantastically wealthy Saudi royal family, she could have easily sent the money in one lump sum—but that would have raised red flags. The princess claimed that the money was intended to pay for Basnan’s wife’s thyroid treatment. Some of those checks were signed over and cashed by Manal Bajad, wife of Omar al-Bayoumi. The money went from the princess to Basnan to al-Bayoumi’s wife—and let’s not kid ourselves, was likely used to fund the 9/11 attacks. The route is a little circuitous but terror-financing usually is.

Saudi Arabia is clearly the worst ally we have.

But if Saudi Arabia is the worst, Pakistan must be a close second. After Navy SEALs raided Osama bin Laden’s hideout in May 2011, it became startlingly obvious that the Pakistanis had been his willing hosts for about nine years. For six of those years he was living in a compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, about a thousand yards from Pakistan’s prestigious military academy. His home was essentially “drone proof” because it fell under the air defense umbrella surrounding the academy.

Further proof of Pakistani government complicity can be found in the fact that government census takers apparently skipped the bin Laden residence. Could census takers have been warned to leave that house alone?

The Pakistani regime’s actions after the raid are also incriminating. Just days after bin Laden’s death, Pakistan claimed that it had had the compound “under sharp focus” since its supposed construction in 2003. How sharp could their focus have been if bin Laden had continued to live there for years? It also claimed to have once searched the compound in hopes of finding an al Qaeda fugitive but came up empty-handed. It didn’t take long for that story to fall apart. According to satellite imagery the compound did not exist until 2005. It seems that someone in the government spun a hasty lie without realizing that the details could be verified.

Pakistan’s treatment of Dr. Shakil Afridi, a physician who assisted the CIA in confirming bin Laden’s presence in Abbottabad, has been unconscionable. Rather than giving him a medal, as he deserves, they gave him a trial at which he was deprived of legal counsel. After the cursory guilty verdict they tossed him in prison for what will probably be the remainder of his life. Top Pakistani officials called it “payback” for the bin Laden raid. Dr. Afridi was originally sentenced to 33 years in prison though that sentence was later overturned. He remains in prison on an unrelated murder charge that certainly seems contrived.

Osama bin Laden’s sojourn in Abbottabad was likely not the first time that he benefitted from Pakistani protection. After the 1998 bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the United States launched seventy cruise missiles, at a cost of about $1 million each, against al-Qaeda camps in Afghanistan. The strike amounted to a costly failure because most of the bad guys, including Osama bin Laden, split the scene. A cloud of suspicion has hung over Pakistan’s intelligence service—the ISI—ever since. A very plausible theory is that the US gave the Pakistanis a heads up to expect cruise missiles passing over en route to Afghanistan and then someone within the ISI tipped off bin Laden.

New York Times reporter Carlotta Gall, who spent twelve years covering Afghanistan and Pakistan, claims to have inside sources that confirm the plot to save bin Laden’s neck. “In 2009, Bin Laden reportedly traveled to Pakistan’s tribal areas to meet with the militant leader Qari Saifullah Akhtar,” wrote Gall in 2014. “Informally referred to as the ‘father of jihad,’ Akhtar is considered one of the ISI’s most valuable assets. According to a Pakistani intelligence source …he is credited with…moving Bin Laden out of harm’s way just minutes before American missile strikes on his camp in 1998. After the Sept. 11 attacks, he was detained several times in Pakistan. Yet he was never prosecuted and was quietly released each time by the ISI.”

Those are our “friends”—the Pakistanis. They’re as crooked as a corkscrew, though perhaps not as crooked as the Saudis. We really have to learn how to choose better company. Our alliances with these two countries have done us great harm. Have we learned anything?

can you people not see the author is talking in the best interest of his country which is not objectable ............. i would like the author to comment US-Israel relations as well ...... have Israelis been angels to US ? did they not bombed theri soldiers and blamed it on anti-zionists

 

[niaz]

Honourable dani958,

There is no link in this article, hence difficult to know who wrote it. Since you declare that you are an Israeli, I must presume that it has been written by an American.

There are all kinds of opinions & vested interest lobbies working in the US. US Media in particular is controlled by the Jewish lobby; therefore even if an artcicle is published in very influential newspaper such as the Washington Post, I would always take it with a pinch of salt.

9/11 Commissions Report link is:

http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report.pdf


At least I could not find any direct link of Saudi State with the 9/11 terrorists. Your article has presumed that 28 pages were still classified because the text describes link with Saudi State. That and mere presence of a Saudi official in the same hotel as proof of Saudi involvement is a dangerous assumption and shows a highly biased view. It is ironic that Nazi Germany propaganda tactics against the Jews using false rumours is now being practiced by the Zionist media against the Muslims. How the history repeats itself!

The Alqaida has been formally blamed for the 9/11 attacks. But who created Osama bin Laden?

The 9/11 report on page 55 describes the rise on Bin Laden & Al-Qaida. It all started with the US sponsored war against the Soviets in Afghanistan. OBL was himself trained in Afghanistan with active help from the CIA and the State Dep’t funding. Fighters returning from Afghanistan even caused trouble in Algeria. Would you blame the US gov’t for the 9/11 attacks?

US supported Iraq & the Arabs against Iran even though war was initiated by Saddam. US was actively involved in destabilising secularist Nasser Egypt & Baathist Syria because these regimes were anti-Israeli. US has backed numerous Israeli invasions of Lebanon and a prosperous Libya under secularist Qaddafi has been bombed to oblivion leaving open field for the Dae’sh movement. Very recently in order to help Israel by stopping Iranian arms flow to Hezbollah of Lebanon; US poured arms to support anti- Assad Sunni forces, the same arms ended up with the ISIS.

Who do you think was really responsible for Pakistan’s tilt towards Wahhabism? It was the bigot Zia-ul Haq whose regime was strongly supported by the US because US needed him to train jihadists for the Afghan war. Talibans are direct result of the Afghan war sponsored by the US.

US foreign policy has been consistently extremely short sighted and guided by the strong Zionist lobby and the fear of Communism. Basically, it is the United States inconsistent policies that have created the Al-Qaida /ISIS demon which now they must confront.

There is little doubt that there many immensely wealthy Saudi citizens donate their Zakat (2.5% of their annual income) to the Islamic Charities which eventually ends with the terrorist organizations fighting the US. House of Saud needs the US support to remain in power and to compete with the Shia Iran for the leadership of the Islamic world. Why would they deliberately support killing 4000 innocent US citizens?

I am not saying that Saudi & Pakistani regimes are completely blameless; nevertheless it is about time that US ‘Think Tanks’ seriously examine cause & effect relationship of their policies during the last 50 years before blaming others for their troubles.

But then all it was only 80 years ago that the US Courts tried a school teacher for teaching Darwinian Theory and with the Klu Klux Klan mentality Donald Trump wining the Presidential nomination; it is highly unlikely.

 

[CriticalThinker02]

I'll let Pervez Musharraf himself answer this question regarding OBL's supposedly hiding in a compound in Abbottabad.

 

[Sinnerman108]

Taking the middle east out,

Name a single largest cash based customer of American products.

America received every dollar back along with profit that it paid to purchase oil.

As for Pakistan, that Americans achieved in terms of USSR's demise could never have been remotely possible if without our help.

Should be a lot more thankful.

 

[salarsikander]

pakistan dalliance with bin laden pre-dates any American involvement with Afghanistan

Proof ? Seems like you are hell bent of getting banned once again

 

[wiseone2]

After sacrificing our economy , dignity and 70k people on the war on terror we get labeled as the worst allies ? Saudi Arabia we can understand but Pakistan has been used by the US like anything since 1950s .It used our land to keep an eye on the USSR in the early days , used our resources , bases , roads etc , then ordered us to fight the soviet war along the afghans and left us when the war was over , Embargoed us during all wars knowing that all our equipment is American and we might need spares on the other hand India had full support from Russia . Then again used us after 9/11 bombed our tribal areas like hell . Attacked our men at Salalah post and at different occasions , Ruined our Polio campaign . After all these hardships and problems what did we get peanut like aid ? which didn't even cover up our expenses of the war. After all this they still prefer the Indians more than the Pakistanis and then blame us of playing double games . The thread should be renamed to the US , Pakistan's worst ally .

My question is that the US does not sell Hi tech stuff to Pakistan because we are too close to China but India is also close to Russia , The american tech bought by India can also end up in Russian hands , after knowing all this why does the US offer everything to India ?

India has no record of transfering Western military technology to Russia

Pakistan joined the CENTO and SEATO. You should have read the charter before you joined. At least your foreign minister should have.

As far as 9/11 and Afghanistan goes if ISI had not backed the Taliban nothing would have happened. I have nothing against the ISI for backing the Taliban. It seems utter incompetence to allow some Saudi dude to be using Afghan soil to launch terror attacks around the world.

Ruining your polio campaign ?? Just because the CIA used one doctor to spy on Bin laden you should not make all doctors spies.

Proof ? Seems like you are hell bent of getting banned once again

Use some logic dude. Pakistan supports the Taliban. The Taliban shelters someone who supposedly goes around bombing US embassies in East Africa and attacks USS Cole.

They still helped him prior to 9/11, remember the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan?

There is no proof any CIA aid went to Bin Laden during the Afghan war of the 1980s. Pakistani army decided what got American aid and who didn't

 

[Irfan Baloch]

wanting to hurt America is one thing. sheltering characters like Bin laden is another thing

sheltering in a shithole? had he not been allowed to escape from Tora bora then this farse would have ended within a year.

India has no record of transfering Western military technology to Russia

yea it does even worse. it bribes Americans to steal secrets ..where certain technology is kept off limits from it
US contractor pleads guilty to sending military data to India

http://www.dawn.com/news/1173532

seems like that thieving is a national hobby..

US jury fines Tata Consultancy Services $940m for healthcare software ‘theft’

http://www.americanbazaaronline.com...erdict-stealing-epic-systems-corp-s-software/

 

[T-123456]

Saudi Arabia and Pakistan: America's Worst 'Allies'

• 

With friends like Saudi Arabia, who needs enemies? Last week we learned that the Saudi government almost certainly played a role in the 9/11 terrorist attack and that our government kept that secret from the public for about fourteen years.

A brief history of the coverup is in order here. In 2002, a joint congressional committee investigated the intelligence failures that led to the attack. That committee found suspicious clues that pointed toward Saudi Arabia—an official “ally” of the United States known for exporting radical Wahhabi Islam across the world. In a 28-page summary, the committee detailed the connections between the 9/11 terrorists and agents of the Saudi government, including Prince Bandar bin Sultan, a friend of the Bush family. When the 9/11 Commission report was released in July 2004, the 28 pages were still classified and thus not included. Robert Mueller, then-FBI director, pushed hard for the findings to remain under wraps. For the next twelve years they sat in a secret vault in the basement of the US Capitol—until last week when they were finally released with some redactions.

The real hero in this sordid tale is former US Senator Bob Graham (D-Florida). Graham, who chaired the Senate side of the investigation, spent years advocating for the documents’ public release. Graham noted that as late as January 2016 the White House was dragging its heels.

Until the documents were declassified Graham was not able to speak about their contents, though he did promise a “real smoking gun.” He was right. In one FBI memorandum dated July 2, 2002, agents claimed to have found “incontrovertible evidence that there is support for these terrorists within the Saudi government.”

An employee of the Saudi Interior Ministry, Saleh al-Hussayen, happened to stay at the very same hotel as the American Airlines Flight 77 hijackers the night before the attack. When FBI agents interviewed al-Hussayen, he "feigned a seizure, prompting the agents to take him to a hospital, where the attending physicians found nothing wrong with him.” When they attempted to re-interview him, they found that he and his family had left the country.

Another suspicious character found lurking in the documents is Omar al-Bayoumi. According to the recently released 28 pages, the FBI received numerous tips from the Muslim community that al-Bayoumi is or was a Saudi intelligence officer. He is known to have called Saudi government institutions in the United States one hundred times in 2000, including three calls to the Saudi Embassy.

He appears to have had a “no-show” job with a Saudi contracting company associated with the Saudi Ministry of Defense. Though he rarely ever showed his face, he still collected a monthly salary.

In February 2000, when two of the 9/11 hijackers arrived on the West Coast to prepare for their missions, al-Bayoumi was living in California. Al-Bayoumi apparently met with the hijackers, Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, in a public place shortly after a meeting at the Saudi consulate. He reportedly threw a party for their arrival. The two men stayed at al-Bayoumi’s apartment for several days until they could find their own housing. Al-Bayoumi co-signed their lease. Not surprisingly, he left the country sometime in the summer of 2001.

In intelligence circles, there’s a word for al-Bayoumi: handler. The obvious conclusion is that al-Bayoumi was a Saudi agent whose job it was to coach at least two of the nineteen terrorists.

Another suspicious link connects al-Bayoumi indirectly to the Saudi royal family through his wife, Manal Bajad. Princess Haifa al-Faisal, wife of Prince Bandar, the Saudi ambassador to the US and friend of George W. Bush, sent a series of checks totaling $75,000 to Osama Basnan, a Saudi national living in San Diego. As a member of the fantastically wealthy Saudi royal family, she could have easily sent the money in one lump sum—but that would have raised red flags. The princess claimed that the money was intended to pay for Basnan’s wife’s thyroid treatment. Some of those checks were signed over and cashed by Manal Bajad, wife of Omar al-Bayoumi. The money went from the princess to Basnan to al-Bayoumi’s wife—and let’s not kid ourselves, was likely used to fund the 9/11 attacks. The route is a little circuitous but terror-financing usually is.

Saudi Arabia is clearly the worst ally we have.

But if Saudi Arabia is the worst, Pakistan must be a close second. After Navy SEALs raided Osama bin Laden’s hideout in May 2011, it became startlingly obvious that the Pakistanis had been his willing hosts for about nine years. For six of those years he was living in a compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, about a thousand yards from Pakistan’s prestigious military academy. His home was essentially “drone proof” because it fell under the air defense umbrella surrounding the academy.

Further proof of Pakistani government complicity can be found in the fact that government census takers apparently skipped the bin Laden residence. Could census takers have been warned to leave that house alone?

The Pakistani regime’s actions after the raid are also incriminating. Just days after bin Laden’s death, Pakistan claimed that it had had the compound “under sharp focus” since its supposed construction in 2003. How sharp could their focus have been if bin Laden had continued to live there for years? It also claimed to have once searched the compound in hopes of finding an al Qaeda fugitive but came up empty-handed. It didn’t take long for that story to fall apart. According to satellite imagery the compound did not exist until 2005. It seems that someone in the government spun a hasty lie without realizing that the details could be verified.

Pakistan’s treatment of Dr. Shakil Afridi, a physician who assisted the CIA in confirming bin Laden’s presence in Abbottabad, has been unconscionable. Rather than giving him a medal, as he deserves, they gave him a trial at which he was deprived of legal counsel. After the cursory guilty verdict they tossed him in prison for what will probably be the remainder of his life. Top Pakistani officials called it “payback” for the bin Laden raid. Dr. Afridi was originally sentenced to 33 years in prison though that sentence was later overturned. He remains in prison on an unrelated murder charge that certainly seems contrived.

Osama bin Laden’s sojourn in Abbottabad was likely not the first time that he benefitted from Pakistani protection. After the 1998 bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the United States launched seventy cruise missiles, at a cost of about $1 million each, against al-Qaeda camps in Afghanistan. The strike amounted to a costly failure because most of the bad guys, including Osama bin Laden, split the scene. A cloud of suspicion has hung over Pakistan’s intelligence service—the ISI—ever since. A very plausible theory is that the US gave the Pakistanis a heads up to expect cruise missiles passing over en route to Afghanistan and then someone within the ISI tipped off bin Laden.

New York Times reporter Carlotta Gall, who spent twelve years covering Afghanistan and Pakistan, claims to have inside sources that confirm the plot to save bin Laden’s neck. “In 2009, Bin Laden reportedly traveled to Pakistan’s tribal areas to meet with the militant leader Qari Saifullah Akhtar,” wrote Gall in 2014. “Informally referred to as the ‘father of jihad,’ Akhtar is considered one of the ISI’s most valuable assets. According to a Pakistani intelligence source …he is credited with…moving Bin Laden out of harm’s way just minutes before American missile strikes on his camp in 1998. After the Sept. 11 attacks, he was detained several times in Pakistan. Yet he was never prosecuted and was quietly released each time by the ISI.”

Those are our “friends”—the Pakistanis. They’re as crooked as a corkscrew, though perhaps not as crooked as the Saudis. We really have to learn how to choose better company. Our alliances with these two countries have done us great harm. Have we learned anything?

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