‘Saudi Arabia After Israeli Drone Deal’

[Faravahar]

let me understand this servel years back you didn,t have the technology to build sam system so you go to the russian.

after you receive the s300 .
suddenly you have the technology to build long range sam system
from where did you bring the technology.

not from mullah turban i suppose.

Forgetting the fact that the Iranian system was revealed before Iran even received the Russian airdefence. The Iranian system is completely different to the Russian version.
Iran has been developing air defence system for a decade now thus the long range SAM is nothing something Iran "suddenly" has the tech for. It called development. Something which your kind is obviously not familair with.

Here is a Janes international article on the Iranian system:

Iran unveils Bavar-373 long-range air-defence system
Jeremy Binnie, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
24 August 2016
Iran unveiled its locally developed Bavar-373 long-range air-defence system on 21 August, indicating it is continuing the programme even though it is now receiving S-300 systems from Russia.

President Rouhani stands beside the missile launcher from the Bavar-373. (president.ir)

The head of the Iranian air-defence command first announced the Bavar-373 was being developed in September 2011, a little over a year after Russia cancelled a contract to supply Iran with S-300 long-range air-defence systems. Russia reversed that decision in 2015 and delivered the first S-300 components earlier this year.

The announcement that Iran was working on its own long-range air-defence system prompted speculation that S-300-lookalike components seen in the 18 April 2010 Army Day parade may have been for the Bavar-373.

The Bavar-373 target-engagement radar. (president.ir)

That theory has now been categorically disproved as the Bavar-373 displayed on 21 August is clearly a unique Iranian system that appears to reflect extensive investment in its ability to develop phased array radars.

The system's missile launcher, target-acquisition radar, and target-engagement radar were all seen in a series of photographs released by President Hassan Rouhani's office showing him inspecting military technology developments made by the country.

Although the system's Sayyad-3 missile appears to have already been seen in the Army Day parade held earlier this year, this is the first time its launcher has been displayed.

It follows the trend set by the Sayyad-2, unveiled in November 2013, of using a canister with a square-cross section in the style of the US Patriot rather than the round ones seen on Russian long-range air-defence systems.

The launcher appeared to be mounted on a 10x10 Zoljanah heavy equipment transporter and had two missile canisters elevated to a nearly vertical position. The canisters appeared to be approximately 6.5 m in length, which would make the Sayyad-3 shorter than the 7.5 m-long 48N6 missile used with the S-300PMU2.

http://www.janes.com/article/63215/iran-unveils-bavar-373-long-range-air-defence-system

 

[Sargon of Akkad]

@Oscar @WebMaster @Horus @TaimiKhan @Jango @Jungibaaz and others

Do you recognize those users below, many of who are banned permanently?

@Resurrection5782 @dart25 @kouroshkourosh @YA-Mahdi @Best Land @Ghulam-Alazhar a @Mohsenam2 @MOHSENAM and the few others that I forgot.

You can scream all you want to. Moderators have been informed and the ban Al-Andalus got broke no rules whatsoever.

The moderation team see me as an valuable member and one of the few active Arab users and they are also aware of the ground realities.

let me understand this servel years back you didn,t have the technology to build sam system so you go to the russian.

after you receive the s300 .
suddenly you have the technology to build long range sam system
from where did you bring the technology.

not from mullah turban i suppose.

Reverse engineering with the help of foreigners. Nothing groundbreaking at all. KSA could do similar if they only had this option if this had been the policy for 3 decades +.

Besides nobody in the region can compete with the KSA/GCC on this front.

Background
Saudi Arabia is a non-nuclear weapon state and signatory of the NPT.[1] During the Iran-Iraq War of the 1980’s, Iran and Iraq used ballistic missiles for terror attacks against each other’s urban areas and attacks on non-combatant nations in the Persian Gulf increased.[2] Saudi Arabia began pursuing missile defense capability when Iraq fired Scud ballistic missiles missiles against the coalition military targets stationed in the Kingdom. On January 17, 1991, an Iraqi Scud was intercepted by a US Patriot missile defense system in Saudi Arabia. This event marked the first anti-ballistic missile fired in combat during the Gulf War. [3] By enhancing its security architecture through missile defense, Saudi Arabia seeks to consolidate its place as a regional leader, protect its homeland, and safeguard its regional allies to further cooperation in the Arabian Gulf.[4]

In 1991, Saudi Arabia became the first Middle East customer of the Patriot missile system and maintains the largest missile defense force in the Middle East. Saudi Arabia’s ballistic missile defense capability is designed to defend against its primary adversary: Iran.

Capabilities

• Patriot PAC-2
• Patriot PAC-3
• MIM-23 Hawk

In the 1980’s, Saudi Arabia purchased two variations of the Hawk medium-range air defense system. The Hawk’s surface-to-air systems supported limited anti-ballistic missile capability which pressed Saudi Arabia to purchase the Patriot system in 1991.

With the acquisition of the Patriot system, Saudi Arabia’s air-defense net expanded. In addition to the Hawk SAM systems, Saudi Arabia possessed the advanced longer range Patriot SAM system PAC-2. In 2014, Saudi Arabia upgraded a portion of their PAC-2 systems to the latest PAC-3 upgrade. Authorized by the United States Department of Defense, the $1.7 billion Raytheon contract included ground-system hardware and support equipment upgrades.[5] The upgraded PAC-3 system can destroy more targets with a direct hit and is more effective intercepting fast-moving ballistic missiles.[6]

Current Developments
After the May 2015 Camp David Summit, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, the UAE, Oman, Bahrain, and the United States have renewed their commitment to an integrated regional missile defense system which includes radar, early warning, and surface-to-air missile (SAM) sites.[7] Growing regional tensions endangers the security structure within individual GCC states because conflict threatens critical infrastructure, border protection, and aviation security. Iran’s ascendancy to power and its ability to project influence in Iraq, Syria, and Yemen is a primary regional factor that elicits states’ fear [8] Mistrust inhibited previous efforts to build a regional defense system, however, fear has driven joint-GCC military cooperation which is evident through the union’s pursuit for an integrated defense system.[9]

Saudi Arabia and the UAE lead GCC efforts towards a U.S.- supplied and integrated missile shield because they are the only countries in the region that operate the same systems as the United States. [10] At the May 2015 Camp David Summit, Saudi Arabia expressed the GCC’s need for new ground-based networks and computer terminals to foster integration.[11] The United States government has expressed its dedication to enhancing Saudi Arabia’s defense mechanisms in order to defend and deter growing threats such as Iran. In the FY2015, the United States and Saudi Arabia plan to discuss the potential Foreign Military Sale of a THAAD missile system.[12]

Saudi Arabia also engaged in extensive negotiations with the United States to upgrade the Royal Saudi Navy’s Eastern Fleet through the Saudi Naval Expansion Program II (SNEP II). Despite negotiating the the SNEP II program for over seven years, there have been signs of potential movement for the Foreign Military Sales case. In December 2014, Lockheed Martin appropriated $93.8 million for the future integration of MK-41 Vertical Launch Systems (VLS) onto Saudi Arabia’s Naval fleet. VLS integration requires installation on either U.S. guided missile cruisers and destroyers or Aegis Ashore ballistic missile defense installations.[13] This appropriation hints at a prospective Saudi purchase of US ships because Saudi Arabia’s Al Riydah-class frigates are incompatible with the MK-41 systems.

http://missiledefenseadvocacy.org/intl-cooperation/saudi-arabia/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Saudi_Strategic_Missile_Force

 

[Sargon of Akkad]

Prove it. We got the first S-300 3 months before we had fully unveiled the Bavar-373. And even years before that individual components of the Bavar-373 (radars, missiles, TELs) had been unveiled separately.

On top of that, the B-373 is nothing like any other missile system in service.

http://www.janes.com/article/63215/iran-unveils-bavar-373-long-range-air-defence-system VVV

"The announcement that Iran was working on its own long-range air-defence system prompted speculation that S-300-lookalike components seen in the 18 April 2010 Army Day parade may have been for the Bavar-373.

That theory has now been categorically disproved as the Bavar-373 displayed on 21 August is clearly a unique Iranian system that appears to reflect extensive investment in its ability to develop phased array radars."



Lol...

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Iran's S-300 is better in every way.

And we have the Bavar-373, which has longer range and better radars. It is due to be tested on a ballistic missile in months, so we'll see the performance of its missiles then as well.

Your own ballistic missile defence have a maximum target speed of 1600-2200 m/s.

Iran's Sejjil 2 missile has a terminal velocity of Mach 13, which works out as over 4400 m/s.

Bye bye Patriot

Nobody is impressed with Mullah propaganda which is infamous for making up empty claims. If what you say is true KSA/GCC would have improved their missile defense systems ages ago. Anyway missiles are not going to win you any wars. Missiles or no missiles you cannot win any conventional war against KSA. No party can however Mullah fanboys here seem to live in a parallel world.

A country that less than 25 years ago could not built anything (lacking behind countries such as Syria and Iraq) is suddenly an indigenous superpowa (LOL) despite all those fancy claims never having been proved on an actual battlefield. Unlike the missile defense system of KSA that proved their worth as late as yesterday.

Where would you be without outside help, reverse engineering etc.? Basically stop trying to act like some kind of industrial powerhouse. I see no other group of people acting like that here this frequently. It is laughable. It surprises me that you guys cannot see this.

Anyway I do not care the slightest about your missiles. This thread is about KSA and Israel. Nothing to do with Iran. I am not interested. Stop trying to get my attention and crying.

Anyway good luck in your errands of becoming an unbeatable Mullah-led hegemon in the Iranian Plateau.

Instead of all this empty talk why don't you attack KSA and the GCC? Yeah, back to reality on PDF.

Anyway I am not interested in your answer so you don't have to quote my post. You are a undisputed Superpowa and industrial Mullah powerhouse. We get it. Everyone else is LIGHTYEARS behind you. Such is your grandeur. In fact you are able to conquer KSA for the first time in less than 1 hour. Not only that but the entire Arab world from Morocco to Oman and from Syria to Comoros.

 

[SQ8]

I believe the thread is about a Saudi Israeli deal (as if strong backdoor channels did not exist between them anyway).
Please keep the usual phallus measuring contest between you Arabs and Persians out of it.

 

[Sargon of Akkad]

I believe the thread is about a Saudi Israeli deal (as if strong backdoor channels did not exist between them anyway).
Please keep the usual phallus measuring contest between you Arabs and Persians out of it.

Please tell that to the Iranian users here who have a very annoying tendency of mentioning Iran in every Arab-related topic. I understand that they are obsessed about Arab affairs from nature or at least due to the current political climate but they even managed to turn this thread that has nothing to do with Iran (the news is very dubious if not outright false) into a discussion about their "unprecedented" achievements. This thread is in need of some cleaning and I would much rather prefer a serious discussion to take place between the few remaining Arab users here and the small Israeli community and of course any other user who has something interesting/useful to say about this topic.

Anyway a solution could be to allow non-defense news related to the Arab world to be posted on the Arab section of PDF. I mean divide it into two parts. Defense and non-defense. Turkish users have voiced similar wishes as far as their own section goes.

There is after all already a World News section where news from all the world can be posted and is posted.

This would also ensure less trolling as trolling is less frequent on "country forums" and this section, which is without a moderator, would also be dead and buried. For the betterment of us all here IMO.

Users from country x venturing into forum about country y have already a lesser tendency to troll today due to the simple fact of them entering "foreign territory" so to say. Users with the sole intention of trolling will naturally have a hard time in such an environment. Instead it would likely force people to have somewhat cordial or at least informative discussions instead.

If I ran a forum of this nature I would seriously consider such an idea. At least for a certain time period to test if things would improve, which I am personally convinced that they would. If not things could always return to the current status quo.

It should not be a hard process technically. Just a thought I got.

What do you think about this idea @Oscar and @WebMaster ? Please take this into consideration at least as serious threads on this section often turn into a troll feast. This is not why we are here.

I have posted Arab non-defense related threads/news on the Arab section simply because I knew beforehand that there would be a high risk of trolling/off-topic posts if I posted them on this forum however doing such a thing is not allowed. It should not be like this. Many Arab users have left PDF in the past few years and I can bet that few are attracted to join in such a current environment. If this was solved you would likely receive a greater traffic and a more vibrant forum. Many, many users (of all backgrounds and from various countries) that once posted here (good users) have left and I do not believe that it is a coincidence that all of them left.

I know that you guys don't have endless resources but this simple suggestion should not add any additional burden but rather limit the current one.

My two cents.

I believe the thread is about a Saudi Israeli deal (as if strong backdoor channels did not exist between them anyway).
Please keep the usual phallus measuring contest between you Arabs and Persians out of it.

 

[The SC]

I believe the thread is about a Saudi Israeli deal (as if strong backdoor channels did not exist between them anyway).
Please keep the usual phallus measuring contest between you Arabs and Persians out of it.

Not only that, KSA started asking for ToT in any military deal, that is where the 25% increase in price comes from, not from a delivery schedule as stated in the article.. I guess..

 

[Bubblegum Crisis]

its metter if we cant trust our friend saudis that our weapons will not get into hostile hands if so we can do alot of deals we have alot of toys to offer you

Really ? ^ ^


It would just be honest ‘sometimes’ when we discuss with you. But for that we can not count on you.


Why is Israel so afraid of the Arab Peace Initiative? (The Times Of Israel - June 18, 2013)



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[dani958]

Not only that, KSA started asking for ToT in any military deal, that is where the 25% increase in price comes from, not from a delivery schedule as stated in the article.. I guess..

israel will not give heron tp tot to no one

 

[The SC]

israel will not give heron tp tot to no one

They will shoot it downm over Syria and get the ToT for free..

 

[19887]

They will shoot it downm over Syria and get the ToT for free..

hahahahaha so funnyy hahahahahahahaha

 

[HAIDER]

‘Saudi Arabia After Israeli Drone Deal’

22 October 2016


MEP: A report by the Arabic-language IsraelinArabic website cited yesterday’s remarks by a senior Israeli journalist, Yossi Melman, televised by Israel’s Channel 10 network, says that Saudi Arabia is seeking a 400 million-dollar deal for buying unmanned aircrafts from Israel.

According to the report Melman said during his Tuesday’s televised interview that the initial talks about the matter was held between Anwar Eshki and top Israeli officials including the director general of Israel’s Defense Ministry, Udi Adam, during his (Eshki’s) trip to Israel on June.

Melman revealingly spoke of some challenges facing the negotiations of Saudi Arabia and Israeli Defense Ministry and the Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI). According to the political analyst, the Saudi officials called for acceleration in the delivery of drones of Harop and Eitan types. The Israeli officials convinced the Saudi side that realization of the demand would increase the cost of the contract for Saudi Arabia by 25 percent, Melman said.

So far, several countries including India and Germany purchased Israeli unmanned aircrafts. If Saudi- Israeli deal goes as planned, the Arab country will be the most recent country buying this sophisticated military weaponry from Israel.
http://middleeastpress.com/english/saudi-arabia-after-israeli-drone-deal/

If Turkey buy Isreali equipment then why not Saudi Arabia. Its cheap and good buy it.

 

[dani958]

If Turkey buy Isreali equipment then why not Saudi Arabia. Its cheap and good buy it.

israel not cheap

 

[19887]

israel not cheap

You should write "israeli weapons are not cheap"

 

[dani958]

You should wrote "israeli weapons are not cheap"

whatever

gcc is the best market for arms they dont negotiate so much dont want to make the wepaons in there country and dont want tot