Sanctions hit Russia asks India for parts of key sectors which are urgently required in Russian industries

[langda khan]

What?.....

Anyways, pass that joint you smoking along.

I haven't smoked for the last 14 years. Quit cold turkey in 2008.

 

[Genghis khan1]

I think Indians will do both, they will supply some stuff and will find excuse for other. At the same time will try to give explanations to west while giveaway concessions to US on strategic fronts.

 

[langda khan]

I think Indians will do both, they will supply some stuff and will find excuse for other. At the same time will try to give explanations to west while giveaway concessions to US on strategic fronts.

You need to understand that genuinely aside from government to government politics and global level high table strategy, 1.4 billion Indians want Russia to crush the US and NATO in Ukraine.

We don't care greatly about whether Ukraine gets crushed in the process. That ship sailed earlier this year a long time ago. Now it's about degrading the west to the point that world power equations tilt.

 

[Genghis khan1]

You need to understand that genuinely aside from government to government politics and global level high table strategy, 1.4 billion Indians want Russia to crush the US and NATO in Ukraine.

We don't care greatly about whether Ukraine gets crushed in the process. That ship sailed earlier this year a long time ago. Now it's about degrading the west to the point that world power equations tilt.

I know, Indian public and media is supporting Russia. They consider Russia a friend and US friend with Benefits, that just want to use Indians.

 

[langda khan]

I know, Indian public and media is supporting Russia. They consider Russia a friend and US friend with Benefits, that just want to use Indians.

The US under the democrats is nobody's friend. Least of all Europe's or themselves. Forget anyone else.

 

[Genghis khan1]

The US under the democrats is nobody's friend. Least of all Europe's or themselves. Forget anyone else.

Issue with democrats is that they want to play liberal nice guy of American politics to win minority votes, but US Deep State/ Establishment is neither liberal nor play nice in its adventures. So it’s gives a hypothetical outlook towards the world.

 

[langda khan]

Issue with democrats is that they want to play liberal nice guy of American politics to win minority votes, but US Deep State/ Establishment is neither liberal nor play nice in its adventures. So it’s gives a hypothetical outlook towards the world.

All the power plays around the Ukraine war are at the Democrat doorstep.

 

[Genghis khan1]

All the power plays around the Ukraine war are at the Democrat doorstep.

Biden is establishment puppet he was selected into office not elected .

 

[langda khan]

Biden is establishment puppet he was selected into office not ejected.

Yes but there is a Democrat establishment and a Republican one. India, Saudi, China and Russia were always okay playing with the Republican one.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Yes but there is a Democrat establishment and a Republican one. India, Saudi, China and Russia were always okay playing with the Republican one.

Deep state /establishment is above political parties.

 

[-=virus=-]

there is no evidence India was willing to send 17,000 troops to fight in Iraq

It was under consideration

AFTER THE WAR: OTHER FORCES; India Decides Not to Send Troops to Iraq Now (Published 2003)

India refuses to send peacekeeping troops to Iraq in spite of considerable pressure on Prime Min Atal Bihari Vajpayee to do so by Bush administration; administration was hoping that India would send full army division of 17,000 or more soldiers to serve in Kurdish region around Mosul; war in...

www.nytimes.com

 

[jamahir]

we didn't but send/deploy a single soldier.. posturing to gain leverage bhi ek cheez hoti hai, that we didn't bow down to US 'soft' pressure/enticement... its called statecraft.

India in 2003 was rule by the Hindutvadi party BJP which is also the fascist party ruling now. In 2003 that single Indian soldier wasn't deployed to Iraq in support of the USA-and-British-governments-led illegal, imperialist and genocidal invasion not because the Indian government suddenly developed humanity and "didn't bow down to US soft pressure / enticement" but because of wide protests in India against the BJP government's : (a). Lust to kill Muslims, even foreign ones ( though in Iraq there are Christians and others too ), (b). Unquenchable desire to be in perpetual service of Western governments, something that started with Marathas, Nairs and so on during British East India Company times in a combined fight against the radically progressive Muslim leader Tipu Sultan, (c). To help destroy Socialism - Iraq being governed by the Socialist Baath movement.

I am not at all casting the Indian army as a uniformly mercenary force in the service of Hindutvad, Capitalism, NATO and mindless nationalist tribalism and you will see me in a later paragraph cheering for retired Indian military officers who wrote letters to the country's president asking for immediate action against the Hindutvization of the Indian military.

But I start with this : In 2003, 17,000 Indian army soldiers were ready in the barracks to go to Iraq at a moment's notice and help the USA-and-British-governments-led alliance murder Saddam, his supporters and the Iraqi people. Seven years prior, the then American government Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright, was asked in a TV interview :

We have heard that half a million [Iraqi] children have died. I mean, that is more children than died in Hiroshima," Stahl said. "And, you know, is the price worth it?

Her reply : "Worth it". So the Indian army commanders who would be working in Iraq under the command of the government militaries of USA, Britain, Australia, Poland and it is said Ukraine, these Indian army commanders and their subordinates would be murdering Iraqis for what exactly ? How had Iraq and Iraqis wronged India that the Indian army became ready to participate alongside the North Atlantic Terrorist Organization in war against Iraq ? Secondly, the Indian army commanders and their subordinates did not care for the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children that happened only because of the Western government invasion of Iraq in 1990 and the illegal sanctions after. It is easily understood that BJP government in 2003 would be very happy murdering Iraqis because of its dominant Muslim population and also Christians to go on the side, just like it wants to enable Hindutvadi genocide of two million Muslims at the earliest as declared in the Dharam Sansad in Haridwar last December, but why was Indian army participating in the 2003 Bush and B'liar genocidal war against the Iraqis, against humanity ? This is the result of USA military massively and ruthlessly bombarding Iraq with depleted uranium bullets and shells :

During 2004, the US military carried out two massive military sieges of the city of Fallujah, using large quantities of DU ammunition, as well as white phosphorous.

“After bombardment, the targeted population will often remain in the ruins of their contaminated homes, or in buildings where metal exposure will continue,” Dr Savabieasfahani told Al Jazeera.

“Our research in Fallujah indicated that the majority of families returned to their bombarded homes and lived there, or otherwise rebuilt on top of the contaminated rubble of their old homes. When possible, they also used building materials that were salvaged from the bombarded sites. Such common practices will contribute to the public’s continuous exposure to toxic metals years after the bombardment of their area has ended.”

She pointed out how large quantities of DU bullets, as well as other munitions, were released into the Iraqi environment.

“Between 2002 and 2005, the US armed forces expended six billion bullets – according to the figures of the US General Accounting Office,” she added.

According to Dr Savabieasfahani, metal contaminants in war zones originate from bombs and bullets, as well as from other explosive devices. Metals, most importantly lead, uranium, and mercury, are used in the manufacture of munitions, and all of these contribute to birth defects, immunological disorders, and other illnesses.

Whichever Indian army commanders easily agreed to BJP government's command to deploy to Iraq, would they want their children to suffer like the child above ? But what should one say of the Indian army which supported the Hindutvadi terrorist, Colonel Shrikant Purohit, who was involved in the Malegaon bombing of 2008 which killed 37 Muslims and injured 100+ ? The indian army stood by him during the trial in his own words :

In all his interaction Purohit had only one thing to say that he was grateful of Indian Army. “It has never been in the tradition or ethos of the army to let anybody down. Army has given me everything, my unit, colleagues stood by me. Never even once I felt that I was out of army,” Purohit said. “Army is the only institution in the country only which is not shaken by the ripples of what is happening in the society,” Purohit added.

This terrorist was released by Modi government in 2017 just like it released on this year's India's Independence Day the 11 Hindutvadis who gangraped a pregnant Bilkis Bano in 2002 in Gujarat and smashed the head of her 3-year-old daughter on a rock and killed 13 more members of her family when the family was escaping from the Gujarat anti-Muslim pogrom. And this is from online magazine The Caravan :

He is alleged to have trained the terror suspects in bomb assembly, and supplied RDX from army stocks. Later that month, the ATS arrested a conspirator named Dayanand Pandey. Then the arrests suddenly came to a halt; Hemant Karkare, the celebrated chief of the Mumbai ATS, who was heading the investigation, was shot dead on 26 November during the terrorist attacks in Mumbai.

How was Col Purohit able to get RDX explosives from Indian army stocks and continue training the Hindutvadi terrorists in that conspiracy despite being a military officer and on top of that he being in military intelligence ? From the same source :

When he learned of Joshi’s death, Aseemanand, looking for information about the killing, dialled the telephone number of a Military Intelligence officer he had met at a meeting of the militant RSS offshoot Abhinav Bharat, in Nasik—Lt Col Shrikant Purohit.

And then in August 2017 he was released from Taloja jail later infamous for housing intellectuals / progressives and he reported back to the same army intelligence unit where he worked before his arrest. The army took him back willingly. He was provided security upon his release :

Asked about the escort provided to Purohit after he came out of the jail, the sources said he was given the protection considering possible security threat to him.

So the person who killed 37 people and injured 100+, most being Muslims, is not only supported by the Indian army during his trial but also taken back into his old army intelligence unit after his release that was enabled by BJP and Modi, and then provided security to him when he is the murderer and terrorist !

And why is the army not doing anything about the open calls by Hindutvadis especially since December 2021 in successive Dharam Sansads to genocide two million Muslims at the earliest followed by genocides of Christians and Communists ? The Indian army has vast resources, part of the Indian military which is among the two largest importer of armaments in the world. If these resources can be deployed to keep forces in Kashmir then they can also be deployed to bring secularism and progressiveness in India. The army cannot hide under the umbrella of "We are not a political organization" while around them the country burns down with genocides.

And then decades before this, the Indian army participating alongside NATO in the NATO invasion of DPRK ( North Korea ) in the Korea War of 1950-53. Bhakts / Indian nationalists will excuse away this participation saying the Indian army soldiers were a medical unit. However, military medical units are trained in arms so this Indian army medical unit would have been helping NATO kill the North Koreans and the Chinese and Soviets who were supporting North Korea. Secondly, this Indian army medical unit would have been treating the wounds of the North Atlantic Terrorist Organization which had invaded North Korea / DPRK. This is as much Indian army declaring war on DPRK / North Korea. For what ? Was it because DPRK sought to implement Communism and was a welfare-based and reorganized society while India has been an extremely Capitalist and irrational society since 3000 years ago when Hindus came into India from Iran and created a codified system of castes, extremest misogyny, extremest Capitalism and feudalism ? I am not saying I hate Hindus as human existences, I have Hindu friends whether on PDF or offline and this makes me opposite to Muslim members like @hussain0216 who constantly talk about "He Hindu, kill him".

The Indian army of course has and has had humane people who questioned various policies of the top brass and who had to unwillingly participate in many wrong things in service. Whether this be those 150 retired military officers including service chiefs who wrote a joint letter to the country's president in 2019 and complained about the assimilation of India's military into Hindutvadi forces through such things as Yogi Adityanath calling the military as "Modi ji ki sena" ( Mr. Modi's military ), or retired army colonel Ashok Kumar Singh who supported actress Richa Chaddha who had tweeted "Galwan says Hi" as reply for a bombastic, jingoist statement by a very senior army commander about readiness to invade Pakistan at the command of the government. Col. Ashok said :

Galwan controversy on tweet by @RichaChadha I don't think she mocked sacrifice of soldiers ..she was rather targeting a political statement given by a serving General to benefit BJP in elections. When Army gets politicised then be ready for criticism and mocking too..," he said.

So I condemn the wrong history and current of the Indian military but also acknowledge that it had and maybe has good people who reject the notion that the Indian military cannot be criticized, that it is one more untouchable and holy addition to the pantheon of 330 million Hindu gods and goddesses.

zara padosion ki haalat to dekho, our cousins to the west lept right into the "war on terror".. still reaping rewards to this day..

Musharraf raided Lal Masjid with commitment. Waiting for an Indian army general to raid offices of Bajrang Dal, Sri Ram Sena, Hindu Janajagruti Samiti, Vishwa Hindu Parishad etc.

welcome back, btw.. itna emotionally caught up mat hua kro is forum ke discussionon me

What to do, I am a serious person, whether in posting female admiration imagery or preaching World Communism.

Russia has taken 2 provinces in addition to the 3 seized in 2014. The Russian army has been battered badly. They have taken a hit to their reputation. They have broken their brotherly bonds with some Ukranians.

You have rightly used the words "with some Ukrainians" because Russian army never had brotherly bonds with UkroNazis and Ukrainian nationalists, both categories one and the same really. Some months ago, before my self-exile, I had posted an article about the unspeakable atrocities inflicted by Ukrainian nationalists on Polish people during World War 2 and the article spoke about the Ukrainian nationalists continuing their evil to the 2014 events and to the beginning of the Russian operation. These are evil people, who did the same to Poles, to Russian soldiers and to non-Nazi Ukrainian dissenters what the Hindutvadis in Gujarat state in India did to the Muslims there in 2002 and for which the then chief minister of Gujarat, Narendra Modi, was banned from entered USA until 2014 when he became the prime minister. My posting of the article about Ukrainian nationalists was removed and I warned.

So no brotherly bonds of the Russian army with Ukrainian nationalists. Would have been disappointing if there were bonds.

there is no evidence India was willing to send 17,000 troops to fight in Iraq

Complete BS

I existed in India in 2003 and know this directly. However, you could have simply googled and found this among other articles :

By John Kifner

• July 15, 2003

In a sharp blow to America's postwar plans in Iraq, India refused today to send peacekeeping troops there.
The Bush administration had hoped that India would send a full army division of 17,000 or more soldiers to serve in the Kurdish region around Mosul, and exerted considerable pressure on Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee to do so.

That would have made the Indian contingent second in numbers only to the American in the occupation force and given a more international texture to a group that consists overwhelmingly of American and British troops. It would also have permitted the Pentagon either to send some troops home or to redeploy them to more volatile Sunni Muslim areas in the center of Iraq.

Pentagon officials said that the possible troop contributions by India had not been included in the tally released by Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld last week, when he told Congress that 19 nations had forces supporting the Iraq effort and 19 more had promised troops.


About 19,000 foreign troops already are in Iraq, Pentagon officials said today, a number that is expected to rise to at least 30,000 by October. Discussions continue with almost a dozen other nations, officials said.

The State Department's spokesman, Richard A. Boucher, said today that Secretary of State Colin L. Powell had discussed India's decision with the United States ambassador, Robert Blackwill, but declined to say whether the United States was disappointed by the move.

''It is a decision that each country needs to make on its own, depending on its interests and its concerns about the situation in Iraq,'' Mr. Boucher said. ''I think you're aware that we're in discussions with a long list of countries about participation in the stabilization of Iraq, and we welcome those who have made those decisions to participate.''

The Indians' vote not to send troops was taken today by the cabinet's committee on security, after several months of uncertainty and debate.

''Our longer-term national interest, our concern for the people of Iraq, our long-standing ties with the gulf region as a whole, as well as our growing dialogue and strengthened ties with the U.S., have been key elements in this consideration,'' India's foreign minister, Yashwant Sinha, said in a brief statement to journalists after the meeting.

The war in Iraq is extremely unpopular here.
Even as American troops were approaching Baghdad in early April, Parliament overwhelmingly passed a resolution condemning the war as unjust and calling on the United States to withdraw. Media reports spoke of antiwar demonstrations in hundreds of cities and towns. A poll in the current weekly newsmagazine Outlook showed 69 percent of respondents opposed to sending troops to Iraq; other polls have put the figure as high as 87 percent.

The politics loomed larger with elections coming this fall for five state legislatures, four of them in the Hindi-speaking heartland that is controlled by the opposition Congress Party. These elections are expected to set the tone for national elections in September 2004.

''Public opinion is sharply critical of the war,'' said Praful Bidwai, a prominent journalist. ''It just doesn't make sense for Indian soldiers to be basically used as cannon fodder when the U.S. is getting bogged down and taking casualties.''

The Americans had pressed hard to get India to send the troops. When the deputy prime minister, Lal Krishna Advani, visited Washington this spring, he was greeted by Vice President Dick Cheney; Secretary Rumsfeld; the national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, and even President Bush.

Foreign Secretary Kanwal Sibal received similar treatment, meeting with Ms. Rice and the deputy defense secretary, Paul D. Wolfowitz. The Pentagon dispatched a team here to help plan the Indian deployment.

Some in the Indian government argued for the deployment, contending that a closer relationship with the only superpower would strengthen India's international position -- particularly in relation to rival Pakistan, which has tied itself to Washington in the war on terrorism. Some also suggested that India could get a lucrative slice of postwar reconstruction contracts.

A retired general, Satish Nambier, argued in an essay in Outlook that sending a force to Iraq would, in ''considerations of realpolitik,'' give India a chance to be a major player on the world scene. Still, he hastened to begin the essay by underscoring his ''total opposition to the unilateral'' American operations in Iraq.

Writing in the same magazine, a columnist, Prem Shankar Jha, expressed a more prevailing view, suggesting that the situation in Iraq was changing for the worse.

''To send troops now -- without knowing what they will be called on to do, how long they will have to stay, and when and how their task will be completed -- would be to push many of them to a pointless death,'' he wrote. ''Iraq has not been liberated, but invaded and occupied. The Iraqis know it, resent it and are preparing to resist it. If India sends its troops to Iraq now, it will be as part of an occupation force. Stabilization will mean oppression.''
Some within the ruling Hindu nationalist coalition were strongly opposed, including the defense minister, George Fernandes, and other military and security officials.

Two left-leaning former prime ministers, Indar K. Gujral and V. K. Singh, issued a statement against deployment of Indian forces to Iraq.

''We believe irreparable damage will be done to India's reputation and good name if Indian troops were sent to prop up the occupation of Iraq,'' they said. ''Above all, it will be unwise and unfair to our army to send them on a mission to risk their lives where no national interest is at stake.''

The government statement said that ''careful thought'' had been given to the matter and that India ''remains ready to respond to the urgent needs of the Iraqi people for stability, security, political progress and economic reconstruction,'' adding that India was planning with Jordan to set up a hospital in Najaf as a ''concrete gesture of our support to the Iraqi people.''

The statement added that ''were there to be an explicit U.N. mandate for the purpose, the Government of India could consider the deployment of our troops in Iraq.''

A correction was made on July 17, 2003: An article yesterday about India's decision against sending 17,000 troops to Iraq as requested by the United States misspelled the name of an Indian general who recently wrote that troops in Iraq would increase India's international influence. He is Satish Nambiar, not Nambier.

The article also misstated the name of a former prime minister who issued a statement opposing Indian troops for Iraq. He is V. P. Singh, not V. K. Singh.

So almost all in the BJP government were very willing to send the Indian army to Iraq, and Indian army commanders also were willing as were the Hindutvadi former military officers like Satish Nambiar and political analysts who sat in "think tanks" but the people and opposition parties rejected the deployment because of which those 17,000 Indian army soldiers did not go to Iraq to fight against Iraqis.

You need to understand that genuinely aside from government to government politics and global level high table strategy, 1.4 billion Indians want Russia to crush the US and NATO in Ukraine.

Not really. Many in that 1.4 billion Indian population support the UkroNazis and nationalists. These will be right-wingers among Hindus who are ever in service of NATO, and right-wingers among Muslims who see Russia as the successor to the ebeel Communist USSR, and both reasons are true of right-wing Indian Christians.

In March this year, a few days after the Ukraine operation began, one of the "Godi Media" Hindutvadi propaganda and society destruction TV channels, Republic TV, had its notorious celebrity anchor Arnab Goswami declaring in a panel talk show the same words that Zelensky spoke and the White House spoke. But on the panel was a senior expert from Lisbon, Portugal whose name i don't remember now but what i know is that he was an academic and businessman during USSR times who did business with USSR. Go through this page to watch a short clip on how he first schooled Arnab on Arnab's perpetual bullying of his talk show guests and then the Lisbon expert told Arnab that he was talking the tongue of Zelensky and White House and that Russia is in war with NATO and should Russia win it is India as well as China that will benefit so Arnab by opposing Russia was going against the benefit of his own country, India. The article also shows the reactions of sensible Indians to this episode.

It was under consideration

AFTER THE WAR: OTHER FORCES; India Decides Not to Send Troops to Iraq Now (Published 2003)

India refuses to send peacekeeping troops to Iraq in spite of considerable pressure on Prime Min Atal Bihari Vajpayee to do so by Bush administration; administration was hoping that India would send full army division of 17,000 or more soldiers to serve in Kurdish region around Mosul; war in...

www.nytimes.com

Not "under consideration" but a decided thing with those 17,000 soldiers waiting in the barracks ready to go but it was the people and the opposition parties who forced the government to cancel the deployment.

 

[Baburfromsarmarkand]

Soviets were always there for India. India should help out. Plus Americans are no ones friends.

 

[langda khan]

India in 2003 was rule by the Hindutvadi party BJP which is also the fascist party ruling now. In 2003 that single Indian soldier wasn't deployed to Iraq in support of the USA-and-British-governments-led illegal, imperialist and genocidal invasion not because the Indian government suddenly developed humanity and "didn't bow down to US soft pressure / enticement" but because of wide protests in India against the BJP government's : (a). Lust to kill Muslims, even foreign ones ( though in Iraq there are Christians and others too ), (b). Unquenchable desire to be in perpetual service of Western governments, something that started with Marathas, Nairs and so on during British East India Company times in a combined fight against the radically progressive Muslim leader Tipu Sultan, (c). To help destroy Socialism - Iraq being governed by the Socialist Baath movement.

I am not at all casting the Indian army as a uniformly mercenary force in the service of Hindutvad, Capitalism, NATO and mindless nationalist tribalism and you will see me in a later paragraph cheering for retired Indian military officers who wrote letters to the country's president asking for immediate action against the Hindutvization of the Indian military.

But I start with this : In 2003, 17,000 Indian army soldiers were ready in the barracks to go to Iraq at a moment's notice and help the USA-and-British-governments-led alliance murder Saddam, his supporters and the Iraqi people. Seven years prior, the then American government Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright, was asked in a TV interview :

Her reply : "Worth it". So the Indian army commanders who would be working in Iraq under the command of the government militaries of USA, Britain, Australia, Poland and it is said Ukraine, these Indian army commanders and their subordinates would be murdering Iraqis for what exactly ? How had Iraq and Iraqis wronged India that the Indian army became ready to participate alongside the North Atlantic Terrorist Organization in war against Iraq ? Secondly, the Indian army commanders and their subordinates did not care for the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children that happened only because of the Western government invasion of Iraq in 1990 and the illegal sanctions after. It is easily understood that BJP government in 2003 would be very happy murdering Iraqis because of its dominant Muslim population and also Christians to go on the side, just like it wants to enable Hindutvadi genocide of two million Muslims at the earliest as declared in the Dharam Sansad in Haridwar last December, but why was Indian army participating in the 2003 Bush and B'liar genocidal war against the Iraqis, against humanity ? This is the result of USA military massively and ruthlessly bombarding Iraq with depleted uranium bullets and shells :

Whichever Indian army commanders easily agreed to BJP government's command to deploy to Iraq, would they want their children to suffer like the child above ? But what should one say of the Indian army which supported the Hindutvadi terrorist, Colonel Shrikant Purohit, who was involved in the Malegaon bombing of 2008 which killed 37 Muslims and injured 100+ ? The indian army stood by him during the trial in his own words :

This terrorist was released by Modi government in 2017 just like it released on this year's India's Independence Day the 11 Hindutvadis who gangraped a pregnant Bilkis Bano in 2002 in Gujarat and smashed the head of her 3-year-old daughter on a rock and killed 13 more members of her family when the family was escaping from the Gujarat anti-Muslim pogrom. And this is from online magazine The Caravan :

How was Col Purohit able to get RDX explosives from Indian army stocks and continue training the Hindutvadi terrorists in that conspiracy despite being a military officer and on top of that he being in military intelligence ? From the same source :

And then in August 2017 he was released from Taloja jail later infamous for housing intellectuals / progressives and he reported back to the same army intelligence unit where he worked before his arrest. The army took him back willingly. He was provided security upon his release :

So the person who killed 37 people and injured 100+, most being Muslims, is not only supported by the Indian army during his trial but also taken back into his old army intelligence unit after his release that was enabled by BJP and Modi, and then provided security to him when he is the murderer and terrorist !

And why is the army not doing anything about the open calls by Hindutvadis especially since December 2021 in successive Dharam Sansads to genocide two million Muslims at the earliest followed by genocides of Christians and Communists ? The Indian army has vast resources, part of the Indian military which is among the two largest importer of armaments in the world. If these resources can be deployed to keep forces in Kashmir then they can also be deployed to bring secularism and progressiveness in India. The army cannot hide under the umbrella of "We are not a political organization" while around them the country burns down with genocides.

And then decades before this, the Indian army participating alongside NATO in the NATO invasion of DPRK ( North Korea ) in the Korea War of 1950-53. Bhakts / Indian nationalists will excuse away this participation saying the Indian army soldiers were a medical unit. However, military medical units are trained in arms so this Indian army medical unit would have been helping NATO kill the North Koreans and the Chinese and Soviets who were supporting North Korea. Secondly, this Indian army medical unit would have been treating the wounds of the North Atlantic Terrorist Organization which had invaded North Korea / DPRK. This is as much Indian army declaring war on DPRK / North Korea. For what ? Was it because DPRK sought to implement Communism and was a welfare-based and reorganized society while India has been an extremely Capitalist and irrational society since 3000 years ago when Hindus came into India from Iran and created a codified system of castes, extremest misogyny, extremest Capitalism and feudalism ? I am not saying I hate Hindus as human existences, I have Hindu friends whether on PDF or offline and this makes me opposite to Muslim members like @hussain0216 who constantly talk about "He Hindu, kill him".

The Indian army of course has and has had humane people who questioned various policies of the top brass and who had to unwillingly participate in many wrong things in service. Whether this be those 150 retired military officers including service chiefs who wrote a joint letter to the country's president in 2019 and complained about the assimilation of India's military into Hindutvadi forces through such things as Yogi Adityanath calling the military as "Modi ji ki sena" ( Mr. Modi's military ), or retired army colonel Ashok Kumar Singh who supported actress Richa Chaddha who had tweeted "Galwan says Hi" as reply for a bombastic, jingoist statement by a very senior army commander about readiness to invade Pakistan at the command of the government. Col. Ashok said :


So I condemn the wrong history and current of the Indian military but also acknowledge that it had and maybe has good people who reject the notion that the Indian military cannot be criticized, that it is one more untouchable and holy addition to the pantheon of 330 million Hindu gods and goddesses.



Musharraf raided Lal Masjid with commitment. Waiting for an Indian army general to raid offices of Bajrang Dal, Sri Ram Sena, Hindu Janajagruti Samiti, Vishwa Hindu Parishad etc.



What to do, I am a serious person, whether in posting female admiration imagery or preaching World Communism.



You have rightly used the words "with some Ukrainians" because Russian army never had brotherly bonds with UkroNazis and Ukrainian nationalists, both categories one and the same really. Some months ago, before my self-exile, I had posted an article about the unspeakable atrocities inflicted by Ukrainian nationalists on Polish people during World War 2 and the article spoke about the Ukrainian nationalists continuing their evil to the 2014 events and to the beginning of the Russian operation. These are evil people, who did the same to Poles, to Russian soldiers and to non-Nazi Ukrainian dissenters what the Hindutvadis in Gujarat state in India did to the Muslims there in 2002 and for which the then chief minister of Gujarat, Narendra Modi, was banned from entered USA until 2014 when he became the prime minister. My posting of the article about Ukrainian nationalists was removed and I warned.

So no brotherly bonds of the Russian army with Ukrainian nationalists. Would have been disappointing if there were bonds.





I existed in India in 2003 and know this directly. However, you could have simply googled and found this among other articles :

So almost all in the BJP government were very willing to send the Indian army to Iraq, and Indian army commanders also were willing as were the Hindutvadi former military officers like Satish Nambiar and political analysts who sat in "think tanks" but the people and opposition parties rejected the deployment because of which those 17,000 Indian army soldiers did not go to Iraq to fight against Iraqis.



Not really. Many in that 1.4 billion Indian population support the UkroNazis and nationalists. These will be right-wingers among Hindus who are ever in service of NATO, and right-wingers among Muslims who see Russia as the successor to the ebeel Communist USSR, and both reasons are true of right-wing Indian Christians.

In March this year, a few days after the Ukraine operation began, one of the "Godi Media" Hindutvadi propaganda and society destruction TV channels, Republic TV, had its notorious celebrity anchor Arnab Goswami declaring in a panel talk show the same words that Zelensky spoke and the White House spoke. But on the panel was a senior expert from Lisbon, Portugal whose name i don't remember now but what i know is that he was an academic and businessman during USSR times who did business with USSR. Go through this page to watch a short clip on how he first schooled Arnab on Arnab's perpetual bullying of his talk show guests and then the Lisbon expert told Arnab that he was talking the tongue of Zelensky and White House and that Russia is in war with NATO and should Russia win it is India as well as China that will benefit so Arnab by opposing Russia was going against the benefit of his own country, India. The article also shows the reactions of sensible Indians to this episode.



Not "under consideration" but a decided thing with those 17,000 soldiers waiting in the barracks ready to go but it was the people and the opposition parties who forced the government to cancel the deployment.

I take no responsibility for miscellaneous turds in India. My statement was largely generic. Do you have to write such walls of text? This is social media. Not your JNU jhola useless masters thesis on my money. Please be brief and incisive. You will get more relevant responses that way.

P.S. I haven't understood Arnab's sudden hostility towards Russia nor News 18 India. Probably linked to western money strings. Or sanctions.

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

Complete BS

there is no evidence India was willing to send 17,000 troops to fight in Iraq

@jamahir is correct.

Indian Deputy PM promised to send Indian troops but the promise was withdrawn by Indian PM at that time.

Soviets were always there for India. India should help out. Plus Americans are no ones friends.

Modi and sanghis are US lackeys.