sad life of homeless people in America

onebyone · Mar 24, 2022

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Goritoes · Mar 24, 2022

Large chunk of Homeless people are drug addicts, or have some sort of criminal background and because of that they can not get jobs, and many of them just don't want to work at all, its not hard to find a 40 hour a week job with pay around 14-16$ an hour, and that can get you off the street and in a decent apartment.

FuturePAF · Mar 24, 2022

Goritoes said:
Large chunk of Homeless people are drug addicts, or have some sort of criminal background and because of that they can not get jobs, and many of them just don't want to work at all, its not hard to find a 40 hour a week job with pay around 14-16$ an hour, and that can get you off the street and in a decent apartment.

Even some people with clean records and a college education can’t get a decent enough job to support a family in a decent neighborhood. The housing supply is so limited and the cost of living is increasing to the point that unless you have a home already, getting into one (house or apartment) will trap you in a cycle of debt.

Even in less expensive cities, the jobs pay less, and so there is no escape from this vicious cycle. The only solution is a mix of more affordable housing construction and mass transit, and allowing oil and gas companies more access to pump more petrochemicals to lower prices at the pump.

Goritoes · Mar 24, 2022

FuturePAF said:
Even people with clean records and a college education can’t get a decent enough job to support a family in a decent neighborhood. The housing supply is so limited and the cost of living is increasing to the point that unless you have a home already, getting into one (house or apartment) will trap you in a cycle of debt.

Even in less expensive cities, the jobs pay less, and so there is no escape from this vicious cycle. The only solution is a mix of more affordable housing construction and mass transit, and allowing oil and gas companies more access to pump more petrochemicals to lower prices at the pump.

Well you are not wrong about the supporting a family doing odd jobs but I've met people who did it, my own uncle did it who came to US as student and worked 3 jobs to take care of his wife and 2 kids in Detroit. This thread is about homeless issue which is a biproduct of many other issues such as you mentioned, including drugs and Racism as well. But a lot of those people in Tents who are drug addicts can turn their lives around, yes its hard to survive in big cities but they can always move within the US, move to smaller cities with reasonable living cost. When there is a will there is way.

B.K.N said:
I used to think there are no poor angrez

Trust me, Gareeb aur no Gareeb, the story of Angrez is shinny and look amazing from outside, the more deeper you dig, or when they open up to you about their life and struggles you would wish that you would be a Gareeb in Pakistan. Our Gareeb is frustrated because of finances/drugs, their Gareeb suffers from bad parenting, rape, sexual abuse, drugs, racism etc

FuturePAF · Mar 24, 2022

Goritoes said:
Well you are not wrong about the supporting a family doing odd jobs but I've met people who did it, my own uncle did it who came to US as student and worked 3 jobs to take care of his wife and 2 kids in Detroit. This thread is about homeless issue which is a biproduct of many other issues such as you mentioned, including drugs and Racism as well. But a lot of those people in Tents who are drug addicts can turn their lives around, yes its hard to survive in big cities but they can always move within the US, move to smaller cities with reasonable living cost. When there is a will there is way.

Trust me, Gareeb aur no Gareeb, the story of Angrez is shinny and look amazing from outside, the more deeper you dig, or when they open up to you about their life and struggles you would wish that you would be a Gareeb in Pakistan. Our Gareeb is frustrated because of finances/drugs, their Gareeb suffers from bad parenting, rape, sexual abuse, drugs, racism etc

I thought the same thing, until I saw two things. It use to be reasonable for a person to work an average job and still manage to afford their own house within a reasonable amount of time. It was always a stretch, and you have to go without for many years as you are getting yourself on your feet, but housing was still more affordable decades ago.

Price-to-Income Ratios are Nearing Historic Highs

The typical sale price of an existing single-family home in 2017 was 4.2 times greater than the median household income, according to our latest State

www.jchs.harvard.edu

Secondly, The jobs that are available in smaller cities don’t pay nearly as much to make the Price-to-income ratio work because a lot of people have moved to these cities since at least the 2008 housing crisis and developers have caught on. Case in point, Idaho housing use to be very affordable but transplants from California and other parts of the country have made that area a lot less affordable for locals (that have to manage with their same wages)

Yes, homelessness is a multi-faceted problem, and part of it is substance abuse and mental health issues. But part of it is less then affordable housing stock within a reasonable distance from work. Work from home alleviated that for some time for a section of the population but also devastated the tax basis of many cities. That is why ubiquitous and affordable mass transit is my suggestion. In a similar manner to the Tokyo train network, layers of mass transit can help bridge large cities where there are many jobs and suburban areas where housing is more affordable. For example, once the California HSR is built (when ever that actually happens) it can bridge the gap between the Central Valley and the high wage / job rich areas of SF and LA. It’s a model that has worked for the NY area with Long Island Railroad, NJ transit and Metro North.

But back to homelessness. There has to be more resources to help the mentally ill and substance abusers, but also intermediate housing (linked to a job) for those that successfully complete these programs so they don’t relapse back into these old habits. There needs to be a realistic promise of a stable home so homeless people have a tangible goal to aim for.

But I agree that this housing should not be located in the core of cities, but in less expensive areas, so the homeless are not incentivized to become too comfortable in that intermediate housing. They need to earn their way back into the central city, so that it is fair to taxpayers paying for social services and working class people trying to earn enough to pay rent or a mortgage in the central parts of cities.

jamahir · Mar 24, 2022

@Bravo6ix, do you now see the "great" American flag at the end of the Hollywood vid ? This is the flag of the same country whose government spent 700+ billion dollars as the military budget for just 2020-21, a military that is not defensive but is an invasions-oriented one. This was the same government who did not use those hundreds of billions and human and material resources to build free, high-quality neighborhoods for the many homeless and instead invaded a progressive society like the Libyan Jamahiriya which provided free housing. As said Gaddafi in 2011 when America and its NATO and GCC allies started bombing Libya :

Then I helped my brothers and sisters from Africa with money for the African Union, did all I could to help people understand the concept of real democracy, where people’s committees ran our country.

But that was never enough, as some told me. Even people who had 10-room homes, new suits and furniture, were never satisfied. As selfish as they were they wanted more, and they told Americans and other visitors, they needed ‘democracy’, and ‘freedom’, never realising it was a cut-throat system, where the biggest dog eats the rest.

They were enchanted with those words, never realising that in America, there was no free medicine, no free hospitals, no free housing, no free education and no free food, except when people had to beg or go to long lines to get soup.

BTW, in North Korea too the government arranges for free housing.

@VCheng, will you feel guilty driving past these people sleeping on the footpath in the sun or in plastic tents, in your shiny personal car ( that you would have purchased on loan ) ?

Goritoes said:
Large chunk of Homeless people are drug addicts, or have some sort of criminal background and because of that they can not get jobs, and many of them just don't want to work at all, its not hard to find a 40 hour a week job with pay around 14-16$ an hour, and that can get you off the street and in a decent apartment.

You are the same person who did not voice outrage against the American government when it refused to pay for the treatment of your sister who was seriously ill. You paid for the treatment from your pocket when it should have been the government to take care of such a basic human right. What if you sister had died because you were unable to come up with the money ? Would you have blamed the government or blamed yourself ? You are also the same person who instead of demanding that the American government provide bus service to your place you were asking the forum about which new car to buy. Your new car's price will feed some of these homeless people for more than a year. Some of these homeless people may become aggressive but that is the effect of living for long on the street and having daily big and small deprivations. You should be empathetic to them instead of being dismissive. How do you know that you won't be in their situation in a year given the precarious nature of your country's socio-economic system ?

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jamahir · Mar 24, 2022

Goritoes said:
Well you are not wrong about the supporting a family doing odd jobs but I've met people who did it, my own uncle did it who came to US as student and worked 3 jobs to take care of his wife and 2 kids in Detroit.

Why should someone become so desperate so as to do three jobs ? How can you see it as something to be put in a celebratory way on PDF ? If the political and socio-economic system of a country imposes such deprivations on a citizen then that government is a criminal government and has to be overthrown.

@F-22Raptor, stop worrying about Ukraine and start speaking about the ills in your country.

Goritoes · Mar 24, 2022

jamahir said:
You are the same person who did not voice outrage against the American government when it refused to pay for the treatment of your sister who was seriously ill. You paid for the treatment from your pocket when it should have been the government to take care of such a basic human right. What if you sister had died because you were unable to come up with the money ?

I just am unable to decide whether to laugh or feel bad for you, you do remember me mentioning that my sister had SLE Lupus and she had her treatment but you forget that my sister is not American neither I am, we are still Pakistani and so am I. So US Govt owe me nothing and as for my well being my employer has given me a decent medical insurance which takes around 100$ week for a extensive coverage including major diseases like Cancer, and short/long term disabilities.

jamahir said:
You are also the same person who instead of demanding that the American government provide bus service to your place you were asking the forum about which new car to buy.

Again, the US is a huge country and I live in the middle of nowhere, @KAL-EL had a decent Idea where I am so trust me even if US govt try to stretch a bus route there It won't just work.

jamahir said:
You should be empathetic to them instead of being dismissive. How do you know that you won't be in their situation in a year given the precarious nature of your country's socio-economic system ?

I do have sympathy towards them but as I said addicts and criminal background does create hurdles for people to get back on their feet, there are many other factors which bring a person on the street, you would not believe that one sister of my Father in Law, who lives on the street but her dad is a millionaire. I am confident that I will not be a addict or even get into financial restrain that will bring me out on the street, I can easily work full time jobs with 20-25$ an hour which will get me a apartment in any decent American city, I am moving to St. Petersburg next Month and plan to get a 2Bed 2Bath Apartment which will mostly likely cost around 1200-1500$ a month, but with me and my wife working with life lived on budget and sensible decision making I can live a comfortable life making Halal Income.

jamahir said:
Why should someone become so desperate so as to do three jobs ?

Well maybe to pay his fees, bills and support a family back home ? plus if you want to get a degree from a decent school you need to pay top dollar.

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SipahSalar · Mar 24, 2022

Which country do the homeless have a happy life in?

Black Vigo · Mar 24, 2022

jamahir said:
@Bravo6ix, do you now see the "great" American flag at the end of the Hollywood vid ? This is the flag of the same country whose government spent 700+ billion dollars as the military budget for just 2020-21, a military that is not defensive but is an invasions-oriented one. This was the same government who did not use those hundreds of billions and human and material resources to build free, high-quality neighborhoods for the many homeless and instead invaded a progressive society like the Libyan Jamahiriya which provided free housing. As said Gaddafi in 2011 when America and its NATO and GCC allies started bombing Libya :

BTW, in North Korea too the government arranges for free housing.

@VCheng, will you feel guilty driving past these people sleeping on the footpath in the sun or in plastic tents, in your shiny personal car ( that you would have purchased on loan ) ?

You are the same person who did not voice outrage against the American government when it refused to pay for the treatment of your sister who was seriously ill. You paid for the treatment from your pocket when it should have been the government to take care of such a basic human right. What if you sister had died because you were unable to come up with the money ? Would you have blamed the government or blamed yourself ? You are also the same person who instead of demanding that the American government provide bus service to your place you were asking the forum about which new car to buy. Your new car's price will feed some of these homeless people for more than a year. Some of these homeless people may become aggressive but that is the effect of living for long on the street and having daily big and small deprivations. You should be empathetic to them instead of being dismissive. How do you know that you won't be in their situation in a year given the precarious nature of your country's socio-economic system ?

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@Joe Shearer @Bilal9 @DrJekyll @Goenitz @Vapnope @N.Siddiqui @Zibago