SAC - FC-31 Grey Falcon Stealth aircraft for PAF : Updates & Debate

[ChineseToTheBone]

These are also those Pakistani who think they are PAF general who said JF-17 is a waste of money and know defending it and these old people think are the master of the forum

Can you explain what you are referring to here exactly? It was my assumption that improved avionics for Block 3 of the JF-17 will make it a relatively even match against the F-16.

 

[his5850]

Can you explain what you are referring to here exactly? It was my assumption that improved avionics for Block 3 of the JF-17 will make it a relatively even match against the F-16.

em not saying it i think is it is a great plane for PAF block 3 will be even better em saying MastanKhan in one post said we should have went for J-10 and JF-17 is waste of money

 

[ChineseToTheBone]

If the later variants of the JF-17 and the upcoming J-31 do end up sharing the same engine in the future, then it would be an even clearer sign the original choice was the correct one.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Hi,

When we tell you guys that a conventional aircraft would mature in 8-10-12 years and the 5th gen maybe around 10-20 years for a first time aircraft---then you need to show your intellect to learn and understand how it works---.

There is such rash of these thoughtless posts from young pakistanis---.

These are also those Pakistani who think they are PAF general who said JF-17 is a waste of money and know defending it and these old people think are the master of the forum

Em saying Block update of FC-31 like JF-17 buy it in not TOT agreement that will put Indian investment down the drain is that too much thought to get through your old skull we will have advantage over SU-30 and Rafale IF you put your money in 2 year after 5 year you will have FC-31 which will 7 year in total which will also give it time to be more mature

You both are correct in your own way but one does not have defense expertise and cant speak good english. The other is quite arrogant and bossy.
So guys chill out relax and dont heat things up. Cheers

 

[MastanKhan]

There are also those Pakistani who think they are PAF general by the way they said JF-17 is a waste of money and know defending it and these old people think are the master of the forum

Em saying Block update of FC-31 like JF-17 buy it in like TOT agreement as we did with JF-17 that will put Indian investment down the drain is that too much thought to get through your old skull we will have advantage over SU-30 and Rafale IF you put your money in 2 year and after that in 5 year you will have FC-31 which will give us 7 year in total which will also give it time to be more mature

Hi,

Youg man---write in english----so we can understand what you are saying---. Write with a calm head---so you express yourself better in a clear manner.

When you respond angry---you lose focus and cohesion.

try one more time and write a bit clearer to what you want to say.

 

[Advocate Pakistan]

So guys, no J-31??

 

[Cyberian]

So guys, no J-31??

Wait for the start of the Rafales' delivery to India first.

 

[DarX]

So guys, no J-31??

Sir the PAF will fully evaluate the J-31 before making any decision. It is only in the prototype stage and the design is still being updated. But the most important issue is that China still lacks indigenous engines for the plane and the RD-93s are just not good enough.

So it still has a long way to go, and when it does become available, the PAF will test before committing to it. I was actually quite convinced that Pakistan would go for the Z-10, but although it tested the platform rigorously, I've heard that we have now started negotiations with Turkey for T-129 Atak. This shows that Pakistan makes independent decisions and the J-31 will be accepted only if it meets the mark.

Wait for the start of the Rafales' delivery to India first.

I'm pretty sure the PAF is making its own planes independently of the IAF's procurement decisions. In fact, rather than waiting for the Rafale deliveries, this might've sped up the PAF's own plans for choosing a high performance platform.

 

[salman-1]

As far as Atak 129 decision had already been taken and 40 machines are on order and half may be more would be assembled in kaamra complex.
J-31 is due to come in PAF for sure either we have to install Rd-93ma or RD-33mk. Most probably Rd-33mk as it's rate at 98kn or 22000lbs of thrust with4000 hrs of engine life. Engine choice of Pakistan and China could be different as China might use Ws-13e even if it's service life span is shorter like Al-31 or Ws-10, because it's there home made product.
The second prototype of J-31 is made with some Pakistani assistance for airframe changes as done in J-10b. It's being made for Pakistan.

 

[syed_yusuf]

Did Pakistan ordered 30 or 40 ATAK Helis?

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

As far as Atak 129 decision had already been taken and 40 machines are on order and half may be more would be assembled in kaamra complex.
J-31 is due to come in PAF for sure either we have to install Rd-93ma or RD-33mk. Most probably Rd-33mk as it's rate at 98kn or 22000lbs of thrust with4000 hrs of engine life. Engine choice of Pakistan and China could be different as China might use Ws-13e even if it's service life span is shorter like Al-31 or Ws-10, because it's there home made product.
The second prototype of J-31 is made with some Pakistani assistance for airframe changes as done in J-10b. It's being made for Pakistan.

Can you clarify the last line.
J-31 second prototype is for PAF only or J10 B is also for PAF.

There is a picture which shows both J-10 and JF 17B Refer post 5301

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pakistan-air-force-news-discussions.8600/page-234

 

[salman-1]

I said J-31 airframe being modified with Pakistani assistance as j-10b was modified on Pak request, changes were made dsi intake and horizontal stabilisers, ECM etc. I know Pak never opted for J10b due to engine refusal by Russia at that time. But later china offered us 18 free J10b if we buy total atleast 2 sqdrns. The redesigning of J-10b was the reason china offered free for 18 in reward.

 

[araz]

I said J-31 airframe being modified with Pakistani assistance as j-10b was modified on Pak request, changes were made dsi intake and horizontal stabilisers, ECM etc. I know Pak never opted for J10b due to engine refusal by Russia at that time. But later china offered us 18 free J10b if we buy total atleast 2 sqdrns. The redesigning of J-10b was the reason china offered free for 18 in reward.

May I ask what the basis of this information is. You just dont offer a squadron of your lead fighters so theother country can be enticed into buying another squadron. The loss on such a deal would not make financial sense.
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[帅的一匹]

I said J-31 airframe being modified with Pakistani assistance as j-10b was modified on Pak request, changes were made dsi intake and horizontal stabilisers, ECM etc. I know Pak never opted for J10b due to engine refusal by Russia at that time. But later china offered us 18 free J10b if we buy total atleast 2 sqdrns. The redesigning of J-10b was the reason china offered free for 18 in reward.

The why J10b doesn't make its appearance in PAF?

 

[salman-1]

If you are referring to Pakistan assisting the chinese in designing the J31 then you must be trolling.

For a nation that only has zero design capability, a assembly plant at best to "assist" a country like China who has experience in designing 4th gen to 5th gen is like boy scout giving guidance to a US Ranger on how to navigate through a jungle

Assistance doesn't mean covering the whole scenario, it could be a guidence in a specialised area which you could more refinements to offer. I read in some articals that The air intake of J-10A was adjustable for certain angle for proper Airflow to engine which caused some problems in maintenance. Pak engineers helped design it's new DSI intake for a uniform Airflow, that's assistance. It doesn't mean they designed the whole J-10b model.

The why J10b doesn't make its appearance in PAF?

Engine availability by Russians. Due to Indian pressure. But in case of Rd-93 they had an excuse as Indians were using American engine for Tejas