SAC - FC-31 Grey Falcon Stealth aircraft for PAF : Updates & Debate

[HAIDER]

Hi,

J-31 is not an underdeveloped fraud project---.

Pakistan's project director AVM r Shahid Latif stated in his interview that if the americans saw any copies of F16 on the JF17---he would pay dearly for that---.

AVM Latif was a top tier F16 fighter pilot---. The compromises made on the JF17 was for that reason---it would have beeen a true copy of the F16 other than the intake on the belly---.

Similarly with the J31---there is no doubt that the chinese stole all the designs of the F35---but when it came to building a true copy---the threat from the US was very obvious---"make a true copy at your peril"----. The consequences were too high for china---.

Now---could pakistan build a true physical copy of F35---absolutely---maybe not as capable---but they will---that is why project AZM---.

The J31 may definitley not be as capable as the F35---but it would still be ahead of most of the 4.5 gen aircraft


Hi,

Readers should rest assured that if Paf goes for the J31---it will get all those bumps and curves that are needed for stealth---.

I think you can copy the frame, but its all avionics . F16 design been adopted by many countries.

Can we please come back to the FC-31 and an eventual PAF deal?

recent comparison. My humble opinion, F35 vs FC31 is totally wrong comparison.

 

[MastanKhan]

I think you can copy the frame, but its all avionics . F16 design been adopted by many countries.

Hi,

Like which countries---.

 

[HAIDER]

Hi,

Like which countries---.

Jap F2 , then South Korea did it too.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Hi,

Like which countries---.

ISRAEL/CHINA/ KOREA @MastanKhan

 

[MastanKhan]

Jap F2 , then South Korea did it too.

That is old news---I thought you had a surprise somewhere---.

 

[HAIDER]

That is old news---I thought you had a surprise somewhere---.

well , you ask for design. I showed you design.

 

[MastanKhan]

well , you ask for design. I showed you design.

Hi,

We were talking about design restriction on countries who are not in the good books of the US---For JF17 and for the F31---pakistan --- china---and may have severe threats from of the US for copy paste---.

And you bring in the example of two of the closest american allies---Japan / so korea---.

 

[HAIDER]

Was that all your input---.

at this moment yes. There is no much info about avionics about these planes. Except pretty much they use American made or locally made copies of western avionics.

 

[HAIDER]

Hi,

We were talking about design restriction on countries who are not in the good books of the US---For JF17 and for the F31---pakistan --- china---and may have severe threats from of the US for copy paste---.

And you bring in the example of two of the closest american allies---Japan / so korea---.

what do you think about Thunder or J10

 

[mdmm]

Is there any possibility that PAF will buy J10 c , J20, J31 from China ?
As India has a big line of modern Jet fighters , SU30,Mig29,Jaguar,F35,Rafale,Teja etc etc.
Pakistan may have to wrestle those Indian jet in near future with only JF17 Thunder, since USA has ban F16 for attacking PAF on India.

 

[The Accountant]

Is there any possibility that PAF will buy J10 c , J20, J31 from China ?
As India has a big line of modern Jet fighters , SU30,Mig29,Jaguar,F35,Rafale,Teja etc etc.
Pakistan may have to wrestle those Indian jet in near future with only JF17 Thunder, since USA has ban F16 for attacking PAF on India.

Only j31 is a possibiblity nothing else ...

J10 offer nothing significant over jf17 except for range therefore focus is on improving thunder ... f16s upgrades and f16 v is on the cards

 

[TheTallGuy]

The reason we have not seen J10 in PAF service is the engine (AL31FN) now Chinese have started placing WS10 Engines in J10C still long way to maturity.

Now Project Azm = (J31 with WS19 engine and European/Chinese avionics)

 

[Syed1.]

The reason we have not seen J10 in PAF service is the engine (AL31FN) now Chinese have started placing WS10 Engines in J10C still long way to maturity.

Now Project Azm = (J31 with WS19 engine and European/Chinese avionics)

Project Azm is meant to be a clean slate indigenous project, not J31 in PAF paint job. Sure we will get plenty of assistance from the Chinese and the end product may even have plenty of resemblances to J-31, but it still will be an inhouse design and development.

 

[The Accountant]

Project Azm is meant to be a clean slate indigenous project, not J31 in PAF paint job. Sure we will get plenty of assistance from the Chinese and the end product may even have plenty of resemblances to J-31, but it still will be an inhouse design and development.

I am cautious with will be ... i think desired to be is more suited ...

 

[LKJ86]

Project Azm is meant to be a clean slate indigenous project, not J31 in PAF paint job.

Do you mean Project Azm will take the developing pattern of India's LCA?