SAC - FC-31 Grey Falcon Stealth aircraft for PAF : Updates & Debate

[BHarwana]

Negotiations have started between China and Pakistan on FC-31. I don't know it will be JF-31 or FC-31 but the process has started.

There are no official news about it now but in coming days it will be there.

 

[LKJ86]

Negotiations have started between China and Pakistan on FC-31. I don't know it will be JF-31 or FC-31 but the process has started.

There are no official news about it now but in coming days it will be there.

Are you sure?

 

[BHarwana]

Are you sure?

I am hearing reports for a month now. Hesitated in posting it but if any one else has more info please update.

I am hearing reports for a month now. Hesitated in posting it but if any one else has more info please update.

J-20 exports has been banned completely I any country and J-31 has been offered that is what I am hearing.

 

[LKJ86]

I am hearing reports for a month now. Hesitated in posting it but if any one else has more info please update.


J-20 exports has been banned completely I any country and J-31 has been offered that is what I am hearing.

To be honest, the middle-weight FC-31 suits Pakistan better, and has better development potential than the light-weight JF-17.
Pakistan can develop its own aviation industry by designing and producting different upgraded versions of FC-31, just like Mig-21/J-7 to China.

 

[Maxpane]

Hm interesting news sir

 

[Kompromat]

J-31 lacks side bays.

To be honest, the middle-weight FC-31 suits Pakistan better, and has better development potential than the light-weight JF-17.
Pakistan can develop its own aviation industry by designing and producting different upgraded versions of FC-31, just like Mig-21/J-7 to China.

 

[LKJ86]

J-31 lacks side bays.

Up to now, only the heavy-weight fighters (F-22 and J-20) have side bays.
F-35A/B/C, KF-X, and TF-X also have no side bays.

 

[Maxpane]

On which area there is still need to do work on fc 31?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

FC-31 would still be a great addition to Pakistan Airforce

The Production line will be 100% Used for Pakistani Order so it is a win win situation for Pakistani Goals

36 Planes would be great cover for lost F16 orders

Really looks bit like F15 from rear and stealth what else can you want in a plane

 

[Kompromat]

Up to now, only the heavy-weight fighters (F-22 and J-20) have side bays.
F-35A/B/C, KF-X, and TF-X also have no side bays.

Buddy, PAF will not go for a fighter that can't protect itself. While J-31 can carry SRAAMs inside its centerline bay, but that means a reduction of 2 BVRAAMs in a typical mission.

 

[LKJ86]

Buddy, PAF will not go for a fighter that can't protect itself. While J-31 can carry SRAAMs inside its centerline bay, but that means a reduction of 2 BVRAAMs in a typical mission.

So, do you mean that the fifth-generation fighters that have no side bays cannot protect theirself, and Pakistan chooses to develop a heavy-weight one?

 

[Amigator]

Probably they will work in a tight formation alongwith Thunders block 3

 

[Shabi1]

Buddy, PAF will not go for a fighter that can't protect itself. While J-31 can carry SRAAMs inside its centerline bay, but that means a reduction of 2 BVRAAMs in a typical mission.

I don't think this seems valid, because the JSF is supposed to carry AMRAAMs in center bay.


This J-31 model seems to have SD-10/PL-12s in center bay.

 

[Kompromat]

F-22 will escort F-35
J-20 will escort J-31

Countries that only have the F-35 or J-31 will be left in the cold. Their capabilities will be halved as compared to both jets operated under the cover provided by Raptor or J-20.

I hope you get my point. If China truly cares about Pakistan's Security it will clear J-20s for sale too because only J-31s will put us at a disadvantage against IAF or other future adversaries.

So, do you mean that the fifth-generation fighters that have no side bays cannot protect theirself, and Pakistan chooses to develop a heavy-weight one?

I don't think this seems valid, because the JSF is supposed to carry AMRAAMs in center bay.


This J-31 model seems to have SD-10/PL-12s in center bay.

You've clearly failed to understand what i stated above.

 

[Shabi1]

F-22 will escort F-35
J-20 will escort J-31

Countries that only have the F-35 or J-31 will be left in the cold. Their capabilities will be halved as compared to both jets operated under the cover provided by Raptor or J-20.

I hope you get my point. If China truly cares about Pakistan's Security it will clear J-20s for sale too because only J-31s will put us at a disadvantage against IAF or other future adversaries.






You've clearly failed to understand what i stated above.

JF-17s in air defense alert configuration carry 2 BVRAAMs and 2 SRAAMs, PAF seems to be happy with this ADA configuration. Same config on J-31 seems adequate. For stealth fighters the tactic is supposed to be shoot while undetected and then exit the theater. If the aggressor numbers out number a stealth it is better to delay engagements till reinforcements arrive. For PAF this is feasible because of proximity of threat areas to bases. Secondly aircraft can be detected even before they are in Pakistan airspace so ground control/AWACs can provide better threat assessment. Pakistan doesnt have huge coverage areas where assets have to operate independently just as have to be done by USA, China and Russia.