Sabarimala: The Indian god who bars women from his temple

[Politico]

a. If you didn't make a big deal of it, they would not get famous.

b. Who are you to judge whether they are devotees or devil worshippers? Freedom of movement is guaranteed in the Indian Constitution. You can't stop people from entering where they feel like.

I don't know much about Hinduism. The point here is that women who are menstruating are not permitted in the temple and accordingly women who have passed puberty are forbidden from entering. That is a rule upon which the temple was built. To remove that rule is to disregard the foundation of the belief of the worshipers. From an Islamic perspective it would be tantamount to permitting people with shoes into a masjid since it discriminates against those who believe that they have the right to wear shoes and enter a masjid. Religious restrictions come about due to a host of reasons. If reasonable, there is no reason to infringe on the beliefs of the worshiper. I believe that your Supreme Court got it wrong here.

 

[Jackdaws]

I already aid that I think that they are 15 minute fame seekers. Whether they worship the devil or not is not my concern.

I asked what is YOUR position? do you consider them genuine devotees?



Actually you can. Every freedom has reasonable restrictions. You cant enter restricted places like army bases. And for some regions in North East you can enter only after getting special permission.

I am NOT saying that sabrimala is an army base or special region but it is also NOT a picnic spot. You go there for worship not for 15 minutes of fame.

I ask again What is YOUR position?

My position is that anyone and everyone should be allowed to enter irrespective of gender, caste, creed, sexual orientation or religious affiliation.

I don't know much about Hinduism. The point here is that women who are menstruating are not permitted in the temple and accordingly women who have passed puberty are forbidden from entering. That is a rule upon which the temple was built. To remove that rule is to disregard the foundation of the belief of the worshipers. From an Islamic perspective it would be tantamount to permitting people with shoes into a masjid since it discriminates against those who believe that they have the right to wear shoes and enter a masjid. Religious restrictions come about due to a host of reasons. If reasonable, there is no reason to infringe on the beliefs of the worshiper. I believe that your Supreme Court got it wrong here.

I have a simple system. If it's good for the goose, it should be good for the gander. If women between 10-50 are not allowed in, then the same law should apply to men.

Most of these rules are made by men in a bygone era.

As late as 1939, there are records of the Queen of Travancore entering the temple. A ban was put in place only in the 1970s via a law.

And it is clearly a stupid law.

 

[LASER1]

If it's good for the goose, it should be good for the gander. If women between 10-50 are not allowed in, then the same law should apply to men.

If the deity is eternal celibate. It should be respected. The deity is masculine, so your point is void.

As late as 1939, there are records of the Queen of Travancore entering the temple. A ban was put in place only in the 1970s via a law.

I would like to source your claim, there's no record of anyone from Travancore royal family entering the temple.

Rather British records back in 1812 it is mentioned that young women were not allowed to enter Sabarimala even 200 years back. It is documented.

 

[nang2]

I like what Meera said: all are women except God/Krishna.

 

[Sully3]

a religion straight out of the stoneage

 

[EasyNow]

This is a very dangerous path to tread. What's next, women's equal rights to be Imam's? Men's right to go into the women's section?

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

We also don’t allow woman in mosque for prayer. Islam don’t allow this in mosque.
About India , I think Indian Supreme Court should not interfere in religion.

 

[SirHatesALot]

Religious beliefs should be respected.

offcourse this what is common between right wing of india and entire pakistan kudos

 

[313ghazi]

Says someone from a religion where women either arent allowed to go to mosque and if they are then cant pray in there even though they can in kabba

lol - what kind of mosques do you visit? Of course women can pray in mosques!

It's not often i say this, but I agree with the hindu temple this time. It is 1 shrine, they have a rule - let them have it. It's not like the people can't go to another temple, or are always busy at temples and are mega offended they can't go to this one. This is someone taking advantage of india's confused laws.

 

[Soumitra]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1053240778368172032

 

[313ghazi]

We also don’t allow woman in mosque for prayer. Islam don’t allow this in mosque.
About India , I think Indian Supreme Court should not interfere in religion.

Which masjid do you not let women into? Masjid Al Haram? Masjid Nabawi? Al Asqa? Al Azhar? The Blue Mosque in Istanbul? Masjid all over the world have accomodated women from the early days of Islam.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Which masjid do you not let women into? Masjid Al Haram? Masjid Nabawi? Al Asqa? Al Azhar? The Blue Mosque in Istanbul? Masjid all over the world have accomodated women from the early days of Islam.

Muslim Woman are not allowed to offer prayer in a row with man. Even in developed countries women have been battling with the inequality for a long time according to them. Even they started the campaign “woman of waqf “

 

[Jackdaws]

If the deity is eternal celibate. It should be respected. The deity is masculine, so your point is void.


I would like to source your claim, there's no record of anyone from Travancore royal family entering the temple.

Rather British records back in 1812 it is mentioned that young women were not allowed to enter Sabarimala even 200 years back. It is documented.

So where does it state that a celibate deity can't be worshipped by women of a certain age group? And how did the 10-50 year limit come about? Ancient India did not follow the Roman calendar.

 

[LASER1]

So where does it state that a celibate deity can't be worshipped by women of a certain age group? And how did the 10-50 year limit come about?

An eternal celibate does not meet menstruating women. The age limit is the normal menstruating age.
A celibate diety can be worshipped by women, only that Ayyappa (Diety) cannot be forced to break the vow and see women. The court judgment is solely based on absolute logic rather than rights of the diety. So, this is only an argument between religious rights and fundamental rights. It has nothing to do with the story of the Diety (which is the argument you are making).

Ancient India did not follow the Roman calendar.

Lol! We can use Shaka calendar and arrive at a corrected date given we intend to use it for all purpose including determining age. That makes a difference?

 

[Jackdaws]

An eternal celibate does not meet menstruating women. The age limit is the normal menstruating age.
A celibate diety can be worshipped by women, only that Ayyappa (Diety) cannot be forced to break the vow and see women. The court judgment is solely based on absolute logic rather than rights of the diety. So, this is only an argument between religious rights and fundamental rights. It has nothing to do with the story of the Diety (which is the argument you are making).


Lol! We can use Shaka calendar and arrive at a corrected date given we intend to use it for all purpose including determining age. That makes a difference?

Rights of the deity? Lol.
Of course religious rights which infringe on fundamental rights should be discarded. Next you will tell me about a deity who is forbidden from seeing people of a particular caste.