Russian S-300 PMU-2 vs. Chinese HQ-9 Which one is better ?

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@Audio

You are more unreliable than all of the others put together. Believe what you have to, its not going to change the reality.

According to a representative from the South African Denel Group, the PL-ASR is almost a replica of its A-Darter AAM.
The company strongly suspects that China reverse-engineered its A-Darter AAM after acquiring its technological materials.

China starts buying South African arms - UPI.com

 

[AKINCI]

What is the current program? Learn from China the metrics of this missile and than transfer the technology to the US. Then Turkey will cancel the purchase to protest the treatment of uighurs in China. China will end up with no money and its technology stolen.

Like we did in the past WS-1 and B-611 projects.

 

[UKBengali]

China starts buying South African arms - UPI.com

That is an article from 2009!

It talks about China somehow obtaining the technology of the missiles in the 2000s when it was true that the Chinese weapons industry was lacking. There is actually no proof that it happened though!

What is butt-hurting a lot of people is that China has now beat the rest of the world in the Turkish SAM competition and the future of the Chinese weapons industry is bright.

The end of the Western dominance has just got a little bit closer

 

[Gryphon]

US-sanctioned Chinese firm wins Turkey missile defence system tender

September 28, 2013

ISTANBUL: NATO member Turkey has chosen a Chinese defence firm that has been sanctioned by Washington to co-produce a $4 billion long-range air and missile defence system, rejecting rival bids from Russian, US and European firms.

The Turkish defence minister announced the decision to award the contract to China Precision Machinery Import and Export Corp (CPMIEC) in a statement on Thursday.

In February, the United States announced sanctions on CPMIEC for violations of the Iran, North Korea and Syria Nonproliferation Act.

It did not say precisely what CPMIEC had done, but Washington has penalised the company before. In 2003, Washington said it was extending sanctions on the firm for arms sales to Iran. It was unclear when those measures were first imposed.

Officials at state-run CPMIEC, the marketing arm of China’s missile manufacturing industry, could not immediately be reached for comment.

Turkey, which has the second-largest deployable military force in the NATO alliance, has no long-range missile defence system of its own, but NATO has deployed the US-built Patriot air and missile defence system there since 2012.

The winning Chinese FD-2000 system beat the Patriot, the Russian S-400 and the French-Italian Eurosam Samp-T.

Raytheon Co, which builds the Patriot missile system, said it had been informed about the Turkish decision and hoped to get a briefing soon. It said there were 200 Patriot units deployed in 12 countries, including Turkey.

“NATO has long supported the system, deploying Patriots in five aligned countries and, in 2012, providing a requested Patriot deployment to Turkey. Given this strong performance, we hope to have an opportunity to debrief and learn more about this decision,” Raytheon spokesman Mike Doble said.

CPMIEC does not make missiles itself. The two main manufacturers are China Aerospace Science and Technology Corp (CASC) and China Aerospace Science and Industry Corp (CASIC). CASC makes intercontinental ballistic missiles, while CASIC focuses on short- and intermediate-range rockets.

After decades of steep military spending increases and cash injections into local contractors, experts say some Chinese-made equipment is now comparable to Russian or Western weaponry.

China last year became the world’s fifth-biggest arms supplier with 5 percent of the market, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute. Pakistan was its biggest buyer.

Turkish Defence Minister Ismet Yilmaz’s statement also said a contract to produce six corvette ships by Koc Holding , Turkey’s biggest conglomerate, had been cancelled. A contract to build two ships would be awarded to the Turkish naval shipyard. The construction of four remaining ships will be put out to tender later, Yilmaz said. Koc Holding was recently accused of backing the 1997 military overthrow of Turkey’s first Islamist-led government, sending the firm’s shares tumbling on fears of a deepening vendetta against the country’s secular business elite.

The Turkish government launched a probe into the taxes of Koc energy firms in July, weeks after criticising one of the family’s hotels for sheltering protesters during anti-government unrest that rocked several cities over the summer.

US-sanctioned Chinese firm wins Turkey missile defence system tender - Daily Times

 

[faithfulguy]

Like we did in the past WS-1 and B-611 projects.

So did you cancel WS-1 and B-611 project?

 

[-SINAN-]

So did you cancel WS-1 and B-611 project?

So did you cancel WS-1 and B-611 project?

WS-1 evolved as KASIRGA

B-611 evolved as YILDIRIM

They are both in inventory right now.

 

[hacksquat]

So did you cancel WS-1 and B-611 project?

He was being sarcastic ... This is not the first ToT between Turkey and China (as Sinan mentioned above) and it is highly unlikely it will be the last as long as west keeps dragging its feet. Your arguement that Turkey will pull a "switcheroo" and scam Chinese is incredibly baseless and quite insulting. How can you expect a country to give up its reputation just like that?

 

[Audio]

That is an article from 2009!

It talks about China somehow obtaining the technology of the missiles in the 2000s when it was true that the Chinese weapons industry was lacking. There is actually no proof that it happened though!

What is butt-hurting a lot of people is that China has now beat the rest of the world in the Turkish SAM competition and the future of the Chinese weapons industry is bright.

The end of the Western dominance has just got a little bit closer

I know you're not the brightest one, read again to what nonsense i was replying. And for a clue: it had nothing to do with what you wrote.
No need to reply to me if you're insufficiently intelligent to grasp the meaning of fairly simple sentences.

 

[Neptune]

Thread moved to Air Warfare.

 

[BoQ77]

Chinese use S300 system to protect their important sites, while use HQ-9 for export and less important sites

 

[T-123456]

Chinese use S300 system to protect their important sites, while use HQ-9 for export and less important sites

Think again,you think we buy a less important system when there are better ones?

 

[BoQ77]

Simple, you spend a limited budget for purchase,