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Again, if they don't mind blowing up those 1, 3, 5 supply with Wagner, go for it.

That is last resort: people assume because that hasn’t happened it means Putin is in danger. Why would he choose bloodshed this early? Because they took over a couple towns and direct traffic?

The Wagner set up on arms and fuel depot, you launch airstrike and you don't just kill the Wagner, you also destory these supplies.

You act like all of Russia’s ammo and fuel depot is in Rostov. Do you know how big Russia is? Do you how much fuel they have as top 3 oil power and top 1 natural gas?
Russian does not have a wonder weapon where you can kill Wagner and do not detonate anything else.

Not that I care about Wagner or whatever, but again, you seems to know shit how war work...

This isn’t war. This is a poor attempt at a coup. Not all coup end in civil war or mass fighting. Usually once the party realizes no one is joining them and that the state has enough support than negotiations begin.
Oh, I never think Putin is in danger. I said Putin need to compromise, he can't fight the Wagner for the aforementioned reason, Putin fight them, they bring down all the supply for Russian force in Ukraine.

Wagner is the one that needs to compromise. Russia holds all the cards. No generals are switching sides to Wagner. Government fully supports Putin. Russian Allies are declaring support for Putin.

Wagner can not overthrow Russia. It will end badly.

Most people here seem to think Russia is in danger. It’s quite hilarious and sad how much low intellectual people exist in this world.
 
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On who exactly?



That’s not how coups work. As long as Russian army, FSB, and others remain loyal to Putin then nothing can happen.

Look at Turkish coup, they failed to capture Erdogan and it failed.

Russia is trying to disarm the rebellion with common sense.



Stop quoting Ukrainian propaganda. You think if he left Moscow he would leave with his transponder on?
I'm not saying that Prigozhin will automatically take over. What I mean is that this will turn into a civil war and stop being a coup, and Putin will have lost legitimacy. I fully expect Prigozhin to take Moscow by tomorrow, as he has the momentum and army units are starting to defect to him on mass now. You have the 217th guard airborne division defecting to Prigozhin already, as well as (rumors say) General Surovikin as well.

If Putin or Prigozhin aren't dead within the next day, the country will split into two pieces.

They're gonna get their asses kicked. These aren't the battle hardened anti-Putin chechens. These are the tiktok brigade that barely saw any real action.
 
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That is last resort: people assume because that hasn’t happened it means Putin is in danger. Why would he choose bloodshed this early? Because they took over a couple towns and direct traffic?

No, becuase of the intention and Prigozhin said "He is going to moscow and kick ***"

I mean you can believe or not believe what Prigozhin said. I honestly don't care.
You act like all of Russia’s ammo and fuel depot is in Rostov. Do you know how big Russia is? Do you how much fuel they have as top 3 oil power and top 1 natural gas?

The highlight part is the reason, DO YOU KNOW HOW BIG RUSSIA IS?

It take a IL-96 6 hours to travel from St Petersburg to Southern Ukraine. It takes 11 hours for a IL-96 to travel from Vladivostok to Southern Ukraine. It's not possible to supply Russia 250k force in Ukraine with this because you can manage 2 trip per plane from St Petersberg and 1 trip per plane from Eastern Russia, how many transport plane do you think Russian have? and THIS IS THE FASTEST OPTION, because the next one is train. .

If they destroy the Southern Command fuel and munition, it's going to be REALLY, EXTREMELY HARD for the Russian to supply. Don't forget, Prigozhin complaining about supply when they came from Rostov-On-Don. You are telling me it's going to be okay if they go ahead and destory everything in Rostov-On-Don...

This isn’t war. This is a poor attempt at a coup. Not all coup end in civil war or mass fighting. Usually once the party realizes no one is joining them and that the state has enough support than negotiations begin.

Kind of late to talk about it when Prigozhin uses arms to take up insurrection. This is an insurrection. That's no matter how you choose to see it.

Wagner is the one that needs to compromise. Russia holds all the cards. No generals are switching sides to Wagner. Government fully supports Putin. Russian Allies are declaring support for Putin.

Wagner can not overthrow Russia. It will end badly.

Most people here seem to think Russia is in danger. It’s quite hilarious and sad how much low intellectual people exist in this world.
I don't know, and again, I don't care, I am not fan of Wagner.

but I will say this, 5 years working in Military Intelligence, doing stuff exactly this type of nature. You don't mount an assult if you do not already have any support. He had support within the circle otherwise it's really stupid to do something like this. You can blow gas to sunshine and pretend everything is A-OK, I don't know and again, I don't care. Again, I don't really care what had become of Russia, it's a hellhole anyway. They can bomb wagner back to stoneage or they can talk to Prigozhin, that really do not concern me at all.
 
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If Wagner take Moscow, they will achieve what the Nazis couldn't do with millions of men and thousands of tanks over months 😂. All those Russian fanboys who were lauding the Russian tactics and achievements in WWII 😂
 
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I'm not saying that Prigozhin will automatically take over. What I mean is that this will turn into a civil war, and Putin will have lost legitimacy. I fully expect Prigozhin to take Moscow by tomorrow, as he has the momentum and army units are starting to defect to him on mass now. You have the 217th guard airborne division defecting to Prigozhin already, as well as (rumors say) General Surovikin as well.


They're gonna get their asses kicked. These aren't the battle hardened anti-Putin chechens. These are the tiktok brigade that barely saw any real action.
The grave thing is this: This incident has confirmed that the Russian army is transferring more forces than previously thought and that its experienced units are in Ukraine. The Russian army units behind the front line do not know what to do, some reports even say that some units have changed sides, and there are even video declarations of some. The Ministry of Defence is calling Chechens with experience in urban warfare to enter Rostov because there are no other units available.

Some sources say that PMC is currently negotiating with state officials, I don't know how reliable it is, but even this is something very thought-provoking. The Russian defence bureaucracy is kneeling to the monster it has raised within itself.
 
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i dont know why Putin is letting wagners to close in on Moscow.
He should have raised hell from above the minute they showed intent towards Moscow.

Russia under Putin is indeed coming out as week and he made russian mil a joke -

Bye bye Putin is inevitable now -
 
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Putin is in serious trouble. Over 95% of the armed forces and their resources are stuck in Ukraine. Wagner is not led by incompetents unlike the chechens and the Russian Armed Forces, these are battle hardened troops with international experience. They are facing off again local gestapo and glorified police units and untrained conscripts.

Just look at the videos of OMON and other detachments just standing and watchin the convoy pass through without making any attempts to stop them. All the heavy equipment is in Ukraine holding back the counteroffensive. The Russian group in Ukraine is effectively cut off, they cannot withdraw from any part of the front or risk being steamrolled by Ukraine at the weakpoints once identified. They will be the ones sandwiched between Ukraine and Wagner.

i dont know why Putin is letting wagners to close in on Moscow.
He should have raised hell from above the minute they showed intent towards Moscow.

Russia under Putin is indeed coming out as week and he made russian mil a joke -
Because he's a paper tiger. Everyone believed the propoganda. He has nothing to defend against Wagner.

Prigozhin has been biding his time, he chose the exact moment when Ukrainian counteroffensive is under way and when bridges from Crimea and ammo depots have been decapitated by Ukraine in the occupied territories. He is holding the supplies for Russian grouping in Ukraine hostage.
 
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