Russia says will sever ties with NATO if Ukraine joins Atlantic bloc: agency

[mike2000]

Russians are our brothers and sisters. We Chinese do not claim any land of Russia. Your divide and conquer strategy will never work.

China already has more territory than the US, 9.5 million compared to 9.3 million. We are already a superpower. Britain is small and is not a superpower You lost the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Jamaica, Ireland, all independent sovereign states now.

Lool China already a superpower? never knew that. Maybe @Chinese-Dragon vavan reason with you better on this one/talk some sense to you.

Russians are you brothers and sisters? Lool that's even better than some Chinese claiming Russians are their best friend's. Lool you take it to a whole new level. So you people have the same father/mother with Russia? If anything we in europe are way closer to Russia than China or any Asian country for that matter.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Lool China already a superpower? never knew that. Maybe @Chinese-Dragon vavan reason with you better on this one/talk some sense to you.

I tried already, lol.

The irony is that he probably knows it himself, he is just trolling deliberately.

 

[mike2000]

I tried already, lol.

The irony is that he probably knows it himself, he is just trolling deliberately.

Lool I see bro. Seems he's a lost cause.

Thanks for your reminder. But we do know who was the one who gives Diaoyutai to Japan. We still know who is the one who threaten drop nuclear bomb during korean war. We still do know who is the one who come and force import opium to another country to weaken her before stealing ones country national treasure, colonise some part of the land.

We definitely know who is the one shall help and who shall be the one to resist.

I know bro. As i never said you should support/cheer for us or say we are angels/saints , I was just making a point that, you people blindly supporting Moscow and framing it as if they are some kind of humble saints and unaggressive power couldn't be further from the truth. Russia is and has always been an aggressive/expansionist power as well(remember they where part of the 8 nation alliance that invaded/exploited China? And large parts of Manchuria/Siberia to this day, at least we came and left your country, Russia still holds large territory of China and Japan). Its only because they are weak/less influential and unable to expand the way they would have liked today that they act as if they are a non aggressive power. Its easier to act that way when you are weak than when you are powerful/capable of projecting power. Believe me if/when Russia achieves same power back like the U.S /west then they will be all over SCS/Asia/Europe and beyond projecting power and making claims/trying to dominate the region as well. I'm sure you won't be saying the same thing if that was the case.

As I said, Russia despite being a weaker/declining power today still tends to invade/seize and try to maintain its grip on its neighbours by invading/seizing Crimea, Georgia , control over central Asia et imagine they had the power of the U.S . hmmmm......things will look really ugly believe me. So they are no saints/the good guy like some of you tend to paint them, far from it. If you said China is supporting Russia for its own interests/strategic reasons, than trying to frame it as if Russia is the one bring attacked/victim of evil western imperialism and Russia is a poor humble victim suffering from U.S/western persecution. Lool

 

[Parul]

I tried already, lol.

The irony is that he probably knows it himself, he is just trolling deliberately.

I got an alert that you've quoted my Post & it directed me to this post.

 

[jhungary]

Look at the pro western guys ,how they twist and played with the words. Ceasefire is more of a victory for pro Russian since its the Ukraine wanted to take back Donestk area back,right? Ukraine plays the attack and pro Russian plays defend. Or you try to twist your words again by saying putin Russian soldier is going to march to Kiev and mightly Ukraine managed to halt their assault?

And even Ukraine president once say never negotiate with rebel for ceasefire and now you goes back his words and has a truce?

Ukraine Rules Out Direct Negotiations With Rebels to End War -- News from Antiwar.com

dude, your information is a month old, try this

Kiev and rebels swap hundreds of captives in peace push - Yahoo!7

In the final paragraph in that article, you will see this

The insurgents are currently most interested in seeing the resumption of social welfare payments that Kiev suspended last month out of fear that they were being used to finance the revolt.

Well, apparently, E.Ukraine insurgent want the Kiev government to resume the payment of social welfare to them. Now, I don't know what's that mean, if I am picking up arms and go against my own government, I would not expect my old government to pay me on social welfare.

Now, either the Russian money paying the rebel ran dry, or Russian never paid a cents for the "Annexed territories" It's your call.

By the way, the ceasefire called for "Unified Ukraine" with more self control over Eastern Border, so if that deal was sign, Russian Lost and Ukraine won.

That's because Ukrainians finally stopped firing artillery at Donetsk from the airport. They lost the old terminal to NAF.

lol, may I ask, which world you are living in?

 

[mike2000]

I got an alert that you've quoted my Post & it directed me to this post.

But are you really the one in the PIC?

 

[Hindustani78]

Not NATO, but Russia is “undermining European security” - NATO Spokeswoman| Ukrinform

KYIV, December 27 /Ukrinform/. NATO is not a threat to Russia.

NATO Spokeswoman Oana Lungescu flatly denied that the Western military bloc was a threat to any nation, dw writes.

Her statement was a response to Russia's military doctrine that lists the Western alliance as its top security threat. ""Any steps taken by NATO to ensure the security of its members are clearly defensive in nature, proportionate and in compliance with international law," Lungescu said.

"In fact, it is Russia's actions, including currently in Ukraine, which are breaking international law and undermining European security," she said.

She added that NATO would "continue to seek a constructive relationship with Russia, but that is only possible with a Russia that abides by international law and principles - including the right of nations to choose their future freely."


NATO poses no threat to Russia or any other nation - spokesperson (Updated)

NATO poses no threat either to Russia or any other country, NATO Spokesperson Oana Lungescu told Interfax on Friday when asked to comment on the section of Russia's new military doctrine concerning NATO.

"Any steps taken by NATO to ensure the security of its members are clearly defensive in nature, proportionate and in compliance with international law," Lungescu said.

"In fact, it is Russia's actions, including currently in Ukraine, which are breaking international law and undermining European security," she said.

"NATO will continue to seek a constructive relationship with Russia, as we have done for more than two decades. But that is only possible with a Russia that abides by international law and principles - including the right of nations to choose their future freely," Lungescu said.

 

[Hindustani78]

Russia Vows to Retaliate if NATO Expands Eastward - Novinite.com - Sofia News Agency
December 25, 2014, Thursday // 15:07

NATO's expansion to the east could prompt Moscow to take "adequate" measures, Alexander Lukashevich, a spokesman for Russia's Foreign Ministry, has said.

Russia's official comments follow Ukraine's move on Tuesday to abandon its neutral status with a prospect to seek NATO membership in the years to come. Kiev also stated then it would pursue the goal, though Western politicians are divided over any likelihood of Ukraine's accession.

Lukashevich has warned that a "Euro-Atlantic" stance of Ukraine will not address its social and economic problems, according to Russian TV station NTV.

He has described countermeasures as "inevitable".

In his words, the latest developments convey "an impression that the leaders of Ukraine are considering closer ties with NATO as an alternative to normal relations with Russia."

 

[Echo_419]

Lool seems Putins Russia is getting more and more paranoid everyday. So what are these actions Russia will take if Ukraine joins NATO? Supply its eastern Ukrainian separatists with more arms?
@Viet , @NiceGuy, @AgentOrange and other Vietnamese/Chinese pro russian members maybe you can help me reason with Moscow. Lool

Why is the west unnecessarily trying to destabilize Russia,look at their Arsenal both Nuclear & Non-Nuclear you don't want that kinds of things falling into the hands of extremist

In the world of international relations, "acting" like a friend is often tantamount to being a friend. Not only has work on that Chinese/Russian gas pipeline begun, China has also moved to offer "financial assistance" to Russia including help with shoring up the Ruble. How much? Who knows. Even if it's symbolic help, that's often enough to give Russian currency a boost.

Either way, though Russia and China are still far from allies, fact is that China is doing more to help Russia at the moment than any other country. And the average Russian appreciates help from his/her non-white neighbors more (if that means more food on their plate) than some hypothetical racial solidarity with European whites that are only too happy to watch Russian white people starve. Russians are nothing if not practical. As are Chinese people. Just my two cents.

China Offers Enhanced Cooperation as Russia Struggles - Bloomberg

Surely China is doing more help in Economic regards but some other country is helping it most to sustain it's Military Industrial Complex

But are you really the one in the PIC?

The way you bash Russia,good luck with that mate

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Why is the west unnecessarily trying to destabilize Russia,look at their Arsenal both Nuclear & Non-Nuclear you don't want that kinds of things falling into the hands of extremist

They just don't want a repeat of what the Soviets did after WW2...roll tanks into Eastern Europe and kick out their governments.

 

[mike2000]

Why is the west unnecessarily trying to destabilize Russia,look at their Arsenal both Nuclear & Non-Nuclear you don't want that kinds of things falling into the hands of extremist



Surely China is doing more help in Economic regards but some other country is helping it most to sustain it's Military Industrial Complex



The way you bash Russia,good luck with that mate

Lool my good friend echo , you are actually one of the few members on here who I admire/respect, since you are less ultra nationalist/bias and make very rational ccomment, reason I always take time to reply to you when I can.

Well I don't bash Russia, I just state facts about Russia which other Russians and pro Russian members (like you by the way.lol) don't like. I'm jut pointing out that Russia is in decline (as everybody knows), it is and has always been an expansionist/aggressive power when it had the power/capabilities to do so(the Chinese, Japanese, Afghans, eastern Europeans etc will attest to this) just because it collapse and is now weak today doesn't means its a good guy(more like it doesn't have the capabilities it had during its U.S.S.R days, reason it acts more humble today.lol), its economy is dependent on oil and gas(with remnants of its soviet era weapons industry) which are volatile to changes, its still trying to punch above its weight act like its still the U.S.S.R, its economic influence/world trade is negligible(apart from its immediate relatively poor/vulnerable central Asian neighbourhood obviously) etc. These are all facts, nothing about bashing.

I understand though why you are rather fairly pro Russian, since India is totally dependant on Russia for almost all its most critical weapons industry, reason India won't ever (for now though. Lol) go against Russia in any way even if/when it knows Russia is in the wrong. So I understand and support India's stance, evey country will do the same if they were in India's shoes, that's what we call interests in geo politics. Though they do change with time, so do alliances . however, that's not the case with us in the west/U.S, we have better tech than Russia and basically control the world's financial/economic and media landscape reason we are less tolerant of Russia's aggressions/actions, since our interests diverge, so of course we will do what is our best interests just like India is doing keeping mum about Russia actions/aggression in Ukraine. To each his own game plan my man.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Russia will have no choice but to occupy 50% of Europe for security of man kind

 

[mike2000]

Russia will have no choice than to occupy 50% of Europe for security of man kind

Loool LMAO so you think Russia will be a better ally to Pakistan than the U.S/west I guess? You do know that when Moscow had the power/influence like the west/U.S it invaded Afghanistan, which threatened Pakistan and Pakistan had to cooperate with us to et rid of Moscow in the region, do you?lool. So don't claim Russia will be any better, jut because its weak and getting even more weaker today doesn't means its a peaceful buddy. Lool if they had the power of the west/U.S believe me you won't be saying the same thing.

Now cheer/repeat after me bro: FREE MUSLIM CHECHNYA.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Russia appears to be a honest broker

• Promote culture and peace
  
• They helped end world war 2 with out using nuclear weapon
• They have been helping many nations with economical projects
• They supplied Ukraine with free gas worth 3-4 Billion ? Those Ukrainian thieves
• Honestly supplied world with energy products
  
• Russians have policy to develop world nations with proper dialog and discussion
• Russia have all the weapons in world but they do not try to occupy nations they have their regions they love and they stay in their countries love snow and skiing

Big difference between Colonist and Occupiers vs Russia the freedom loving nation

Russia is Ideal nation , just like Russia is ideal nation which is why China has good relations for stablity of World

Russians were always the good guys just like in movies that have a Twist of plot the evil portrayed guys were actually the good guys

 

[mike2000]

Russia appears to be a honest broker

• Promote culture and peace
  
• They helped end world war 2 with out using nuclear weapon
• They have been helping many nations with economical projects
• They supplied Ukraine with free gas worth 3-4 Billion ? Those Ukrainian thieves
• Honestly supplied world with energy products
  
• Russians have policy to develop world nations with proper dialog and discussion
• Russia have all the weapons in world but they do not try to occupy nations they have their regions they love and they stay in their countries love snow and skiing

Big difference between Colonist and Occupiers vs Russia the freedom loving nation

Russia is Ideal nation , just like Russia is ideal nation which is why China has good relations for stablity of World

Russians were always the good guys just like in movies that have a Twist of plot the evil portrayed guys were actually the good guys

Ahahahhaha.... Are u serious or being sarcastic? If the later , then it was actually quite funny.