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The Russian arms industry is ready to offer India, according to media reports, not only the Su-30MKI, but also the MiG-35, if the country refuses to purchase the French jet Rafale.

RIA Novosti learned this on Wednesday at the Aero India-2015 Exhibition from the head of RSK MiG, Sergey Korotkov, who was expressing his company’s desire to participate in new tenders and competitions in India.

“We have everything that is needed to compete. We have not lost hope that a new tender or competition will be announced,” said Mr. Korotkov, adding that RSK is ready to offer India the more advanced version of jet fighters – the MiG-35.

Earlier, Indian media reported that the Indian Ministry of Defense might refuse to purchase 126 fighter jets for its Air Force from Rafale, which won the tender in 2012, and instead buy the Russian Su-30MKI.

Shortly after that, the Business Standard, citing sources in the Indian Ministry of Defense, reported that New Delhi would not be buying the Rafale jets, because of the high prices. At the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of India, they said that, in terms of price attractiveness and reliability, the Russian multi-role Su-30 fighters are comparable to the Rafale.

Russia ready to offer India the MiG-35 to replace the Rafale fighter jet | Russia & India Report
 
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Mig-35 was shortlisted for a reason along with the F-18SH.
but it must be mighty tempting since India already operates the Mig-29/K
 
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@sancho I still say 2 sqdns of these/29K birds might not be a bad option to mitigate the risk of falling squadron strength, untill MMRCA is sorted out.
 
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Only if Russia does full tech and production capability transfer ,mig-35 is a good buy.
 
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Will be a good option if Rafale deal is not acceptable and India is ready to go for more Russian aircrafts. But as @MilSpec says, India will have to do some stop gap measures before MMRCA deal is sorted out( not Rafale) and nothing looks better than 40 Mig-29K/SMT to stop falling numbers of sqds in between.
 
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The MiG-35 Zhuk AE AESAmultimode radar designed by Phazotron is the first Russian AESA design and is expected to spawn AESA upgrade packages for a number of regional Flanker variants (RSK MiG).

he latest Russian MiG-35 Fulcrum F and Su-35-1 Flanker E+ both illustrate this in a very convincing manner.

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NIIP Irbis E Prototype (Tikhomirov NIIP).

Radar – the MiG-35 Fulcrum F is equipped with a Phazotron Active Electronically Steered Array (AESA) which is the same basic technology used in the F-22A's APG-77, the F/A-18E/F's APG-79, the F-16E's APG-80 and the Eurofighter's AMSAR. The Su-35-1 Flanker E+ is currently intended to carry a 20 kW hybrid ESA Irbis E radar, which is comparable to the technology in the Rafale, but boasts the largest antenna in any agile fighter, and peak power and range performance claimed to be competitive against the F-22A's APG-77. The Russians have also invested considerable effort into modern radar pseudo-noise waveform coding techniques, a key feature in recent US radars. In terms of technology the US now has only an incremental lead in active TR module technology and software, and EU little if none. Given the larger size of Russian radars compared to their US peers, in terms of raw range performance the Russians equal or better all except the F-22A's APG-77.
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The Zhuk MSF/MSFE (above) is a passive ESA design intended to compete against the NIIP N011M BARS. It uses a Phazotron unique radial distribution arrangement in the backplane waveguide feed, and proprietary radiating element placement. The Zhuk MSFE has a .98 meter diameter aperture with 1662 radiating elements, and was developed for the Su-30MK3 Flanker G avionic suite intended for the PLA-AF.

Radio Frequency Threat Warning – RF threat warning systems, comprising radar warning receivers, Radar Homing and Warning Systems, and Electronic Support Measures, have seen aggressive growth over the last decade with the advent of high density Gallium Arsenide or GaAs chips, commercially used in TV and mobile telephony. The most capable Western system is the F-22A's ALR-94 which is a channelised receiver, while the latest Russian Khibiny M system intended for Su-35-1 Flanker E+ is also a channelised receiver. What incremental lead the US and EU retain is primarily in GaAs chip packaging and software.

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Russian manufactured GaAs 4-bit phase shifter MMIC die.
Radio Frequency Jammers – the most important developments over the last decade have been the advent of Digital Radio Frequency Memory (DRFM) and towed decoy technologies. The Russians have mastered the former and have offered it for export (MSP-418K) some years ago, and are now offering the Lobushka towed decoy, claimed to be comparable to the US ALE-50. Some Russian jamming equipment is much more refined than Western equivalents, the KNIRTI Sorbstiya jam pod carried by numerous Flanker subtypes boasts a wideband phased array RF stage, much more effective against monopulse emitters, and more sophisticated than the wideband horn or lens emitters in Western equivalents.

Monolithic Thermal Imagers – the EU holds the lead in this technology with production dual band Quantum Well Imaging Photodetector (QWIP) technology, unlike the US and Russia still in the latter development stages. In deployed systems, the US generally still retains a lead with midwave InSb technology. Given the commercial accessibility of such devices, Russia is likely to be integrating them into systems within 3-4 years.
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Al-41FU supercruise powerplant.

Supercooled Engine Blades – the Russians announced over a year ago low rate Initial Production (LRIP) of the AL-41F engine, designed originally as a supersonic cruise equivalent to the F-22A's P&W F119-PW-100. The hot end technology used in the AL-41F core has since migrated also into the AL-31F-117C variant for the Su-35-1. Cited performance figures for these engines indicate the Russian industry has closed much of the gap the US opened with the F119/F135 family of the engines.

Engine FADEC – Full Authority Digital Engine Control systems are now available for a range of more recent Russian engines, including the AL-31F-117C. Whatever lead US and EU manufacturers may have is now only incremental, and mostly in maturity of software.

Thrust Vectoring Nozzles – to date the only full production Western air combat fighter with TVC capability is the F-22A, while the Russians have exported 2D TVC in the Su-30MKI, and offered 3D TVC for other types. Russian TVC is integrated with the flight controls, not unlike the F-22A arrangement.

Digital Flight Control Systems – the Russians demonstrated their first quadruply redundant DFCS in the Su-37 during the 1990s and now offer it as an option for the Su-30MK series, Su-35 and likely as an MLU option for Su-27SKM rebuilds. The only incremental advantage held by US and EU manufacturers is in greater maturity of embedded software, an advantage which will not last.
Radar Absorbent Materials and Structures – the US still retains a lead in this technology, but the Russians continue to make robust advances in coatings, laminates, and other controlled impedance technologies. Much of the Russian effort to date has been focussed on reducing the signature of conventional aircraft, rather than the US focus on fully shaped new designs. Russian Kazantsev laminates have demonstrated 100 fold signature reduction in the X-band, and recent citations indicate that robotically applied inlet tunnel coatings (Flanker) have achieved a 30 fold reduction in X-band signature. These are significant performance achievements, insofar as they challenge existing reduced signature US designs like the F/A-18E/F. While the US still leads at the top end of this technology, the Russians have closed much of the gap in 'commodity' technologies for treating conventional and legacy fighters.

Airborne Datalinks and Networks – the Russians have long been users of digital datalinks, primarily for GCI and AWACS support of interceptors. During the 1990s they invested heavily in intraflight datalink technology intended to network flights of fighters, and the TKS-2 system currently exported on Flankers provides the capability to share sensor data between multiple aircraft. The Russians are now offering an equivalent to the JTIDS/Link-16 system on their latest fighters. What advantage the US and EU retain in this technology is primarily in the maturity of software and protocol designs, another gap which will not last.

Inertial and Satellite Navigation Equipment – the advantage held by the US over Russia at the end of the Cold War has largely evaporated in this area, in part due to the wide availability of RLG and GPS technology in the global market. The US still retains a strong lead in wide area differential GPS technology.

Comparisons

If we compare a late model AESA equipped F-15K/SG subtype against the late model Su-35BM/Su-35-1, both likely to be rolled off a production line at the same time, these Flankers will outperform these F-15s in much of the flight envelope, especially at transonic speeds. With the AL-41F engine the Flanker will be able to sustain decent supersonic speed on dry thrust, giving it an energy advantage throughout the envelope. How much supercruise capability the hybrid AL-31F-117 series engine will provide remains to be seen. With conformal fuel tanks the F-15 will have comparable range to the Flanker with external PTB-2000 drop tanks. Equipped with the Irbis E the Sukhoi will achieve a first look / shot capability over the F-15 with an APG-63(V)2 AESA radar. In terms of EWSP capability, the Sorbstiya jammers will deliver better EIRP than the legacy ALQ-135 series, and the Khibiny-M will be comparable to the ALR-56M series. An area of uncertainty is how much of their newer radar signature suppression technology the Russians will incorporate in export Flankers.

In performing an overall summary, the Flanker will outperform or match the F-15 in most cardinal parameters and capabilities.

The other production Boeing fighter is the F/A-18E/F Block II Super Hornet with its much vaunted APG-79 AESA radar. The Su-35BM/Su-35-1 outperforms it on all cardinal parameters, including radar range, but excluding the somewhat academic measure of clean radar signature – academic since in combat external stores must be carried by both fighters.

Lockheed's F-16E / Block 60 subtype with AESA and conformal fuel tanks is not competitive against the Su-35BM/Su-35-1 on any parameters, the Sukhoi cleanly outclasses it across the board.

The Lockheed-Martin F-35 JSF will be outclassed in all cardinal performance parameters, with the exception of radar signature when the JSF is flown clean with internal stores only. That advantage may also be entirely academic if the Flanker is networked with low frequency band radar to cue it to the JSF. It is also not entirely clear whether the radar signature of the export variants of the JSF will be low enough to deny lock-on by the powerful Irbis E at useful missile ranges.

The Eurofighter Typhoon with AMSAR will compete with the Su-35BM/Su-35-1 in terms of close combat agility and dash speed, but it does not have a decisive advantage in systems and sensors and cannot match the radar range of the Irbis E, and will not match a supercruise engine equipped Flanker.

The Dassault Rafale share many qualities with the Typhoon, but is smaller, and much the same comparisons apply to the Su-35BM/Su-35-1.

A key advantage the Flanker will possess against all but the conformal tank equipped F-15 is combat persistence, which provides far more flexibility in choosing engagements and the opportunity to run an opponent out of gas.

The smaller MiG-35 shares the high agility of the Su-35BM/Su-35-1, but lacks its brute force in raw performance, combat persistence, radar range, and internal volume for mission avionics. All of the Western fighters will compare more favourably against the MiG-35 series, but this may be another entirely academic comparison given that none have been ordered as yet.
 
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Only if Russia does full tech and production capability transfer ,mig-35 is a good buy.
no need, if we are only looking for two to three sqdns, IOM's and maintainence programs are already active at BRD's , and HAL is prime contractor for UPG program, and license building RD 33MK S3. If we are planning for 2-3 sqdns no need for building it from scratch.
 
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MiG-35/MiG-35D

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The MiG-35 (single seat) and MiG-35D (double seat) are the "4++" generation multi-role fighters, exhibiting the further development of the MiG-29K/KUB and MiG-29M/M2 fighters in the field of the combat efficiency enhancement, universality and operational characteristics improvement.

The MiG-35/MiG-35D main features are the following:
– the fifth generation information-sighting systems integration into aircraft airborne avionics;
– possibility of advanced Russian and foreign origin weapons application;
– increased combat survivability due to integration of airborne integrated defense system.

State-of-the art avionics in combination with advanced weapons allow the MiG-35/MiG-35D fighters fulfill a great number of missions:
– air superiority gaining against four & fifth generation fighters;
– interception of existing and being developed air attack means;
– ground/surface targets destruction with high precision weapons without entering the air defense zone day and night in any weather conditions;
– air reconnaissance using optical-electronic and radio-technical equipment;
– participation in group actions and air control over groups of fighters.

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The MiG-35/MiG-35D fighters structure is based upon the following achievements obtained on the MiG-29K/KUB, MiG-29M/M2 aircraft:
– increased weapons load stored at nine external stations;
– increased fuel capacity, in-flight refueling and possibility of using as a tanker;
– airframe & main systems anti-corrosion protection technology which meets the standards developed for carrier-based aircraft thus simplifying fighters operation in tropical weather conditions;
– significantly reduced radar signature;
– three channel fly-by-wire control system with quadruple redundancy.

In the course of the MiG-35 aircraft development the most attention was paid to operational characteristics improvement:
– reliability of aircraft, engines and avionics is significantly increased;
– lifetime and service life are extended;
– mean time between overhauls (MTBO) of engines is increased;
– the MiG-35 aircraft flight hour cost is almost 2.5 times lower than those of the MiG-29 fighter;
– the MiG-35 aircraft is intended for the on-condition maintenance.

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The complex of technical and technological solutions has been developed for the MiG-35/MiG-35D aircraft which provides for independent operation, like airborne oxygen generation plant.

The power plant includes two engines RD-33MK with increased thrust power, equipped with smokeless combustion chamber and new electronic control system (of FADEC type). Engines are of the module structure and have increased reliability and service life.

Upon customer request the fighters can be equipped with "all aspect" thrust vectored RD-33MK engines ensuring the aircraft superiority in the maneuvering dogfight. The power plant of two thrust vectored engines was tested on the super-maneuverable prototype-aircraft MiG-29M OVT.

The airborne avionics of the MiG-35/MiG-35D aircraft is developed on the basis of the new generation technologies.

The multi-role radar with active phased array provides for advantage over the competitors due to the following factors:
– extended range of operating frequencies;
– increased quantity of detected, tracked and attacked targets;
– possibility of simultaneous attack of air and ground targets;
– extended detection range;
– enhanced resolution in the surface mapping mode;
– high jamming protection and survivability.

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The IRST system with infra-red, TV and laser sighting equipment has been developed using the space technologies which were not applied previously in aviation. The system distinctive features are the increased range, detection, tracking, identification and lock-on of air, ground/surface targets in the forward and rear hemispheres, at day and night measuring the distance with laser range-finder as well as the formation of target designation and laser illumination of ground targets. The IRST system and new helmet-mounted target designation system are integrated into the armament control system. In addition to the built-in IRST system the MiG-35 aircraft is equipped with a podded one.

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The MiG-35/MiG-35D aircraft is provided with a defense system including in particular:

– radio electronic reconnaissance and electronic counter measures;
– optronic systems for detection of attacking missiles and laser emission;
– decoy dispensers to counteract the enemy in the radar and infrared ranges.

In addition to the "A-A" and "A-S" class weapons applied on the MiG-29K/KUB and MiG-29M/M2 aircraft the advanced aircraft armament, which have not been offered earlier for export, is being included into the MiG-35/MiG-35D aircraft weapons. The long range weapons capable to attack targets without approaching the air defence zone are among them.

Avionics’ open architecture allows installation on aircraft of new equipment and weapons of Russian and foreign origin upon customer’s request.

Both the single and double seat versions of aircraft have the same airborne equipment and weapons as well as the high unification level of structure.

For the MiG-35/MiG-35D fighters the full set of training means was developed including the interactive computer-based training system and a number of simulators including the full-mission simulator with a motion system.

The basic version of the MiG-35/MiG-35D fighter is designed taking into account the international cooperation organization when developing new modifications of aircraft and during serial production.

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Rafale was strike aircraft, Mig-35 is air superiority fighter. The whole doctrine will go for a toss.
 
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Again?
I think Russia doesn't need to show such desperation. & i'm not sure of the timing but it coincides with French Minister's arrival in India to sort out Rafale deal. & don't think IAF would agree to proposal.
@MilSpec Sir, if government agrees to buy a couple of squadrons of MiG 35, won't that imply that government might in future altogether abandon MMRCA exercise and go for more examples of Russian fighters already in IAF's inventory. This might contradict ACM Arup Raha's recent statements that IAF wants MMRCA winner and not other alternate for its requirement.
 
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Again?
I think Russia doesn't need to show such desperation. & i'm not sure of the timing but it coincides with French Minister's arrival in India to sort out Rafale deal. & don't think IAF would agree to proposal.
@MilSpec Sir, if government agrees to buy a couple of squadrons of MiG 35, won't that imply that government might in future altogether abandon MMRCA exercise and go for more examples of Russian fighters already in IAF's inventory. This might contradict ACM Arup Raha's recent statements that IAF wants MMRCA winner and not other alternate for its requirement.
Even when MMRCA was being processed there were plans for 40 a/c's for SFC beyond the scope of MMRCA. This could be a straight FMS styled deal....now it can either be 40 additional MKI's or 40 Mig35/29K, untill LCA mk2 and MMRCA gets to production.
 
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@sancho I still say 2 sqdns of these/29K birds might not be a bad option to mitigate the risk of falling squadron strength, untill MMRCA is sorted out.

Nope,not until the fga-35 aesa is operational which is clearly not the case.
Plus the avionic suite is obsolete compared to even su-35,,let alone the rafale.

But no doubt we can integrate and customise it according to our needs like mki.

Will be a good option if Rafale deal is not acceptable and India is ready to go for more Russian aircrafts. But as @MilSpec says, India will have to do some stop gap measures before MMRCA deal is sorted out( not Rafale) and nothing looks better than 40 Mig-29K/SMT to stop falling numbers of sqds in between.

No,mki would be a far wiser decision or even scrapping it altogether and going for batch 1 pakfa like russians are in 2016.

mig-29k is simply not good enough 5 years down the line.

Even when MMRCA was being processed there were plans for 40 a/c's for SFC beyond the scope of MMRCA. This could be a straight FMS styled deal....now it can either be 40 additional MKI's or 40 Mig35/29K, untill LCA mk2 and MMRCA gets to production.

Yes,this is an ok idea.
 
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Even when MMRCA was being processed there were plans for 40 a/c's for SFC beyond the scope of MMRCA.
The recently signed deal (December 2014) for 42 odd MKIs is perhaps what is being referred to.

This could be a straight FMS styled deal....now it can either be 40 additional MKI's or 40 Mig35/29K, untill LCA mk2 and MMRCA gets to production.
True, the additional 2 squadrons can effectively cover for retirement of MiG 21 and possibly some 27s too. The idea should be to get the additional pieces quickly (3 years max possibly).
I also wanted to ask, in case India insists (surely will) for domestic assembly/ production of these fighters (29K/35), does HAL at this moment have any assembly lines for the variants? what i know all MiG 29K for IN have been assembled in Russia.
 
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